Martian
Smash Cadet
The ending makes you think. Its not obvious, its opinionated. "excelsior!"
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Inception
- Thread starter Mr.Victory07
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If the top fell over, it would defeat the entire point of the movie. Same thing as if the shot went on and on and the top never faltered. If the top did in fact fall, it would be a very standard "ok everythings happy!" end shot that completely dilutes the idea of the whole film before it. In fact, there are pieces all throughout the film that make you doubt anything. The entire film could be Cobb in Limbo.
but what if, what we're living in right now is limbo, and we're really dreaming right now dude
seriously, though, I get your point. I just felt like he ended it like that just to be a **** to everybody who just watched this (awesome) movie
I think Nolan was kidding/teasing us to a certain extent to end with that shot, but don't forget the other very important aspect of that scene.
Cobb doesn't even stop to study the top before going to embrace his children. He doesn't care at this point.
Peeze
Smash Master
imagine how pissed you would be if you were cobb and
after you hug your kids you turn around and the top`s still spinning. or if Mal walks into the room
Pluvia
Hates Semicolons<br>;
Watched the film. It was good and entertaining, just not as amazing as everyone was making out to be. I think I got my hopes up too much, I was expecting to be blown away but I just ended up being entertained. It wasn't a bad film by any means though. It was a really good movie.
My main gripes though is the fact that it took an hour before anything happened and
I couldn't help but notice that and it kinda spoiled the atmosphere for me.
My main gripes though is the fact that it took an hour before anything happened and
the van flipped over in the 1st world, which caused the 2nd world to flip over and throw everyone around in it, which caused the 3rd world to do.. absolutely nothing. But then later on the back of the van hit the side of the bridge it caused an avalanche.
I couldn't help but notice that and it kinda spoiled the atmosphere for me.
Huh? A whole ton of crap goes on in the first hour, what are you talking about?
As for your spoiled gripe, that is something that bugged me immediately as well.
As for your spoiled gripe, that is something that bugged me immediately as well.
I want to say there's an explanation for that, but I really can't come up with anything until I watch the movie again.
Silly Kyle
Smash Champion
OMG THIS MOVIE WAS AMAZING!! <3 <3 <3 I'm still thinking about it...
So many different ways to view this film!!
A good link (MANY SPOILERS): http://www.cinematical.com/2010/07/19/dissecting-inception-six-interpretations-and-five-plot-holes/
And another: http://www.chud.com/articles/articl...HE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html
So many different ways to view this film!!
A good link (MANY SPOILERS): http://www.cinematical.com/2010/07/19/dissecting-inception-six-interpretations-and-five-plot-holes/
And another: http://www.chud.com/articles/articl...HE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html
Pluvia
Hates Semicolons<br>;
Well the first hour was just setting up the rules for the 2nd half. I just felt a bit fidgety seeing as though it took, lets say minus the opening sequences, about 50 minutes to explain rules that can be explained in half that time.
I would've liked to see more chaos in the dreams like we saw in the first half too. Kinda like the parts in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind when the memories are being deleted and the world around him is falling into chaos.
None of these are big gripes though. I'd put this movie in my top 3 films of the year easily.
Great film. A couple points:
1. Saito needed subtitles.
2. The spot on Mal's head annoyed the hell out of me lol.
1. Saito needed subtitles.
2. The spot on Mal's head annoyed the hell out of me lol.
About the ending, he always checked the totem. This time he just spun it and left. That means wherever he was he knew if it was real or not.
What if Mal was right? What if when she supposedly killed herself she was actually getting out of a dream?
What if the idea of the totem is a whole inception planted by someone in Cobb's mind?
What if Mal was right? What if when she supposedly killed herself she was actually getting out of a dream?
What if the idea of the totem is a whole inception planted by someone in Cobb's mind?
Yeah, almost every Saito line is hard to hear/understand. The music seems really loud and overpowering so that I missed lines both times I saw the movie.
Mr.Victory07
Smash Lord
The first link was very interesting, and I hadnt actually thought of some of those plot holes (like how did Fisher not recognize his biggest competition).
Well, in "reality" (on the plane when Fischer's inception began) Fischer barely makes eye contact with anybody. He is obviously very distant and contemplative and the only time he even looks at anyone is when Leo hands him his passport. I think it's very likely he just didn't see Saito and study his face enough to recognize him.
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
there had to be a much easier way for saito to do what he wanted LOL
McCloud
je suis l'agent du chaos.
I thought Saito was perfect in his speaking. I had a hard time hearing Mall at points cause she was so softspoken in the beginning.
This movie rocks my socks.
This movie rocks my socks.
McCloud
je suis l'agent du chaos.
profile pic.
wow that's weak. it turns back into Cillian Murphy when Leo talks. talk about low effort photoshop
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On the ending, I think it simply meant that Cobb didn't care anymore. While he never got to see his kids, there were a lot of things that screamed it was a dream. Since he turned away, something he never did before, he just accepted that whatever it was, was good enough.
On Saito aging: In Limbo, years pass in the time of minutes on Earth.
On Saito aging: In Limbo, years pass in the time of minutes on Earth.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
so, i guess the question is... does the top at the end
wobble infinitely?
thegreatkazoo
Smash Master
This movie is pretty incredible.
When I saw the previews early this year, I knew this was a must see. Glad to say that it fulfilled on what I expected.
It was definitely worth getting up @ 6 in the morning to watch this (AMC Phipps movies are $6 before noon
).
When I saw the previews early this year, I knew this was a must see. Glad to say that it fulfilled on what I expected.
It was definitely worth getting up @ 6 in the morning to watch this (AMC Phipps movies are $6 before noon
).
lol choknater!
Grey Belnades
The Imperial Aztec
Well,
it wobbles at the last few seconds and then it cuts to black with the title so we don't know if it wobbles infinitely.
I see what you did Toliet.
TheSlip
Smash Cadet
I think it was all reality. In the dream world the top's never come that close to falling over, or really, showed no effort of going shaky.
Ah, but remember this as well-
After Cobb gets sedated so he can dream with those shamans who dream all day or whatever in Mombasa, he apparently wakes up in the immediate next shot and goes to throw water on his face in the bathroom. Actually, there may have been a brief dream sequence with Mal before he wakes...anyways...then, he tries to spin the top, only it slides off the bathroom sink, and before he can try it again, Saito appears and interrupts him out of nowhere.
IIRC, that is the last time (chronologically) that Cobb spins the top until the end scene, and it is another unanswerable question just like the ending shot. I like to think that the rest of the film after this could actually all be an inception on Cobb and we see it all from his point of view. There are some things that conflict with this theory as well though. For instance, I think he only meets Eames after this. Though, I suppose Eames could be a projection of Cobb's subconscious. I'll have to see it a third time and, honestly I still probably wouldn't be sure what to believe.
IIRC, that is the last time (chronologically) that Cobb spins the top until the end scene, and it is another unanswerable question just like the ending shot. I like to think that the rest of the film after this could actually all be an inception on Cobb and we see it all from his point of view. There are some things that conflict with this theory as well though. For instance, I think he only meets Eames after this. Though, I suppose Eames could be a projection of Cobb's subconscious. I'll have to see it a third time and, honestly I still probably wouldn't be sure what to believe.
TheTomNookster
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Saw it earlier this week. BRILLIANT STUFF.
Actually, this was my original thought during the movie, that
everything after going to sleep in the basement was a dream. But like you said, there are some things that contradict this theory. You've already seen it twice, I've only seen it once, so I've got some catching up and re-theorizing to do!
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
If only the inception technology was real.
Christopher Nolan has made my greatest director of all time list. Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and now Inception. This guy can do no wrong. However, Spike Lee still holds the crown!
Christopher Nolan has made my greatest director of all time list. Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and now Inception. This guy can do no wrong. However, Spike Lee still holds the crown!
You know he has other movies besides those three right? And they are also very good? Get on that!
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
Those are the only three I've seen. I've heard about this movie called Memento made by him. I'm probably going to end up checking it out.You know he has other movies besides those three right? And they are also very good? Get on that!
I just saw Inception the other day, and I loved it.
2 possible endings:
1.
2.
Either way,
2 possible endings:
1.
The top falls over, happy ending.
2.
The top keeps spinning, and the entire movie was just an attempt by his own subconscious to remove any doubt that his reality wasn't a dream.
After Mal killed herself in order to escape the dream, Cobb had doubts about reality. The entire "inception" job was the only way that he could subconsciously rationalize rejecting dream-Mal, the personification of all of his doubt.
After he rejected her, it was easy to believe that he really was in reality.
After Mal killed herself in order to escape the dream, Cobb had doubts about reality. The entire "inception" job was the only way that he could subconsciously rationalize rejecting dream-Mal, the personification of all of his doubt.
After he rejected her, it was easy to believe that he really was in reality.
Either way,
he didn't care. He was with his kids, and he was happy.
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
I would rather have Freddy Krueger in my dreams than the guys from Inception.
Yeah, but
the end being a dream wouldn't necessarily mean the entire film is a dream.
cookieM0Nster
Smash Champion
i think i wanna see it again except with friends...
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
I actually wouldn't mind seeing this again with friends either. This is one of those movies where debating it is very fun.
S l o X
Smash Champion
definitely going to see this tonight for a friend's birthday and we will definitely be eating + discussing the ending since I see that's what a lot of people have been talking about (>_> ct thread)
SkylerOcon
Tiny Dancer
Okay so I saw it again and this is what I think...
Everything after Mombasa is somebody using Inception on Cobb. The part at the end with the Totem doesn't matter because Cobb clearly said that they only help you find out the truth in somebody else's dream. They don't work if somebody knows the weight of the Totem, and Cobb knows the weight of his Totem. So the twist ending is entirely a red herring, and the rest of the movie works like that. That's why James and Phillipa looked exactly the same at the end and were the exact same age, and that's also why towards the end of the movie, the scenes were starting to lack any real transition... they just suddenly changed like a dream.
Also keep in mind the old man that pretty much foreshadowed the ending - he told Cobb that dreaming was his reality. The people in Mombasa are heavily sedated, which is enough for the theoretical fourth layer that Cobb would have gone on if everything after Mombasa was a dream.
Also keep in mind the old man that pretty much foreshadowed the ending - he told Cobb that dreaming was his reality. The people in Mombasa are heavily sedated, which is enough for the theoretical fourth layer that Cobb would have gone on if everything after Mombasa was a dream.
