Kill Options post patch

[N4N3RZ]

Made a short video about some things that can be done now since our beloved Up Air is not as jank
https://youtu.be/s4GxD2grrto

 

[Heart of Ice]

This is a really good video, but we do have a video thread stickied for these things.

 

[N4N3RZ]

Ah, I didn't know there was a specific thread where all videos should be posted. Haven't been here in awhile. Sorry

 

[busken]

Made a short video about some things that can be done now since our beloved Up Air is not as jank
https://youtu.be/s4GxD2grrto

Why not d-tilt to fair, doesn't it kill earlier?

 

[N4N3RZ]

it doesnt, the patch gave diddys fair a knock back reduction

 

[busken]

it doesnt, the patch gave diddys fair a knock back reduction

The patch notes don't say that, all it says is that is has a damage reduction. Do you have any statistics for the knockback values?

 

[MegaBlaster1234]

The patch notes don't say that, all it says is that is has a damage reduction. Do you have any statistics for the knockback values?

Even if you can't find any statistics, playing a couple of matches will show you how late Fair kills now.

 

[N4N3RZ]

it was mentioned in the big reddit thread I believe

 

[W.A.C.]

Forward air used to be fantastic at killing, but now I can rarely kill someone with that move under 180%. But fortunately, Diddy's back air strength has been left alone...unlike Shiek's. lol Diddy Kong got nerfed way harder than her in the balance patch though. Excellent video Nanerz. Really appreciate the effort you're putting into this series. I find the videos really helpful. Too bad Diddy's up smash isn't stronger. Someone once told me it was the sixth weakest up smash in the game.

 

[InBOUNDHD]

the dtilt to bair is a rar bair right? 'Cause i can't tell :/

 

[N4N3RZ]

the dtilt to bair is a rar bair right? 'Cause i can't tell :/

yea its a buffered rar

 

[Ltblitzkrieg]

I been doing off edge gimmicks and their working, diddies dair can kill early, and so is a well tossed banana after they waste their jump. Higher percentage it's much easier to combo into forward smash or up smash

 

[LiL.Will]

@chimpact May you add this to the Diddy Kong video thread please?

 

[N4N3RZ]

I put them in the video thread already

 

[busken]

I put them in the video thread already

When you did the RAR back air, wouldn't perfect pivot be faster? Idk.. It true combos anyway but just wondering.

 

[W.A.C.]

It is considerably easier to rar than it is to perfect pivot. I can't even perfect pivot to the right.

 

[busken]

It is considerably easier to rar than it is to perfect pivot. I can't even perfect pivot to the right.

It's kinda difficult but i overcame it through practice.

 

[Swanky_]

yea its a buffered rar

I'm familiar with RAR, what is different about buffered RAR? I also understand the concept of buffering (at least loosely), I'm just unsure of how they apply together here

 

[busken]

I'm familiar with RAR, what is different about buffered RAR? I also understand the concept of buffering (at least loosely), I'm just unsure of how they apply together here

I see you mained diddy kong in brawl, and the same concept applies here. Buffering in brawl and smash 4 are the same.

 

[Swanky_]

I see you mained diddy kong in brawl, and the same concept applies here. Buffering in brawl and smash 4 are the same.

I was reeeaaallly bad at Brawl though so this sadly doesn't help me much

 

[busken]

I was reeeaaallly bad at Brawl though so this sadly doesn't help me much

Well, a RAR is a reverse aerial rush basically doing an aerial when you jump in the turnaround animation and do an aerial. Buffering is doing an input when it's not actually possible so it will come out as soon as possible. Some inputs can't be buffered. You can buffer the back air right when the jump animation is over by quickly hitting jump+respective direction aerial. The advantage is usually on characters with short vertical hurtboxes like kirby so your aerial can connect. im not to good at explaining things but i hope u get it.

 

[Swanky_]

Well, a RAR is a reverse aerial rush basically doing an aerial when you jump in the turnaround animation and do an aerial. Buffering is doing an input when it's not actually possible so it will come out as soon as possible. Some inputs can't be buffered. You can buffer the back air right when the jump animation is over by quickly hitting jump+respective direction aerial. The advantage is usually on characters with short vertical hurtboxes like kirby so your aerial can connect. im not to good at explaining things but i hope u get it.

yea, i understand the concept of RAR and buffering. You're saying the bair can be buffered during the jump?