Koopa Questions: a Bowser Q&A Thread

[B!squick]

Bowser's flaws just really shine well on wifi. When you take being easier to hit, small hit boxes for his size, and normal move lag and times it by ten, Bowser just doesn't compare with, say, Ike, who has exceptionally large hit boxes for his size by comparison.

 

[MrEh]

Bowser on wifi is dumb because you always seem to get hit by everything.

 

[Dre89]

In all fairness though everyone says their main is worse on wifi, I think there's a differen between playing worse on wifi, and being negatively affected by wifi mroeso than other chars.

Alot of people simply assume because they play worse their char must be moreso than other chars, not saying this is necessarily the case but I'm just throwing it out there for consideration.

 

[B!squick]

Ike is **** on wifi, lol.

 

[Dre89]

Ike is **** on wifi, lol.

Yeah I've heard that before, and I know someone like ICs lose their entire metagame, but I think certain players exaggerate how bad their main does compared to other chars n wifi.

 

[B!squick]

It really depends on the character. Ganon and Wolf are almost unplayable due to lag spikes and whatnot.

 

[Cassius.]

It really depends on the character. Ganon and Wolf are almost unplayable due to lag spikes and whatnot.

Ganon is also really annoying to deal with online for me. I feel like I can never punish his stuff online and the only solution I have (when on WiFi) is to gay it up and just camp with a different character or something like that. Offline it's cool though.

With wolf...I mean, you won't get anywhere at this point but it's still hilarious to see people break their C-Stick using him haha. Using a real wolf is kinda difficult in lag though (I think, I wouldn't know, I main Bowser obv)

(((lolklawhopcamping)))

 

[Flayl]

Are auto-cancelled FAirs -> fortress cross-ups unpunishable by tether grabs?

By this I mean short hop FAir into someone's shield and immediately fortress to the other side of their shield.

Thinking about doing this to Yoshi since he has a pretty terrible shield, and this would be great against characters with poor out of shield options like Link.

 

[phi1ny3]

When trying to attempt an air release, does holding/tapping up on the analog work in conjunction with mashing jump (X/Y)? Also, does it matter whether you have tap jump on or off?

In all fairness though everyone says their main is worse on wifi, I think there's a differen between playing worse on wifi, and being negatively affected by wifi mroeso than other chars.

Alot of people simply assume because they play worse their char must be moreso than other chars, not saying this is necessarily the case but I'm just throwing it out there for consideration.

Not our character lol

rollcario ftl

 

[B!squick]

I think holding up only works against DK. Not sure about up AND jump. I assume it works, though you do have two jump buttons (normally) so why not just mash them?

 

[Chaosgriffin]

Alright bowser people, how well does bowser play on battlefield? good - neutral - bad?

 

[Liquid Gen]

His best neutral save for against D3.

 

[B!squick]

And Snake. And Marth. And MK... I'm sure there's more. Match ups aside, it's his best though. MrEh does epic on Yoshi's Island though, lol.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Best neutral vs Marth is FD

Best neutral vs Snake is BF

Best neutral vs DDD is BF.

Best neutral vs MK is FD

 

[B!squick]

Snake can do some nasty things with the platforms on BF. C4 + Claymore = half of the stage being a death trap. I'd take DDD to FD myself. More likely to land an aerial Klaw without the platforms in the way. I know it's more stage to walk Bowser across, but as long as you employ a certain game breaking strategy that some people love to parrot ("lulz jst donn ghet grabed nood") that shouldn't be a problem anyway.

 

[LaserBust]

Just looking for some things to freshen up meh Koopa game.

You guys think full hop Nair has any usefulness?

I currently use Ledge hopped fairs/klaws/air dodges, Ledge jumps, and below 100% get up attack to get back from ledge. O.o and stalling. Anything I'm missing as far as Boozers ledge game?

Dtilt, where does it really fit? I'm throwing it out sorta randomly in jab mix-ups and ground grab releases. Does it belong anywhere else in my game?

Appreciate the advice, thx ahead.

 

[B!squick]

Just looking for some things to freshen up meh Koopa game.

You guys think full hop Nair has any usefulness?

It's probably more reliable than UAir, so yeah, use it if it works.

I currently use Ledge hopped fairs/klaws/air dodges, Ledge jumps, and below 100% get up attack to get back from ledge. O.o and stalling. Anything I'm missing as far as Boozers ledge game?

Klaw Hop off the ledge maybe. Ixis does that quite a bit. I've also seen MrEh pull off a ledge hopped AD to FTilt SEAMLESSLY. I don't know how many times I've watched it and tried to replicate it. He was on the ledge one moment and then suddenly it's a clawed fist to the face.

Dtilt, where does it really fit? I'm throwing it out sorta randomly in jab mix-ups and ground grab releases. Does it belong anywhere else in my game?

Appreciate the advice, thx ahead.

Nah, you're using it right. Like most of Bowser's move set it has too much end lag to be used at any other time, 'sides maybe the ledge.

 

[Phiddlesticks]

I've also seen MrEh pull off a ledge hopped AD to FTilt SEAMLESSLY. I don't know how many times I've watched it and tried to replicate it. He was on the ledge one moment and then suddenly it's a clawed fist to the face.

I propose we call this new advanced technique "MrEhTilting". Or perhaps the "Ledge Ehttack"

You must tell us how you do this MrEh. I doubt it will be very useful in competitive play due to the mass amount of tech skill needed to perform it, but it's something that should be known to Bowser players worldwide.

You pretty much have all the ledge options covered LaserBurst, other than the gimmicky options like ledgehop klawhop/firebreath. Just make sure to mix it up, don't become predictable, etc etc you know

I've also been using nair a lot more in general lately, with pretty good results. It's by far the best option from above against a tornadoing MK (considering your only other options are bowser bomb and dair heh), and overall I just love the hitbox that covers his entire body.

 

[B!squick]

I'm gonna go find that video now actually. It's such a shame he lives in the far off land of Hawaii though. I could totally see him winning a tourny in Cali.

 

[LaserBust]

Yep Ive been using a lot of Nair lately looking for uses. Its been pretty well. Mostly using em out of full hops under platforms and ledge jumps.

Ledge hopped ADs eh. I dig.

Something else I just remembered..
I saw I think.. I think it was vex.. who brought my attention to klaw hopped ADs.
Any1 else tried this? I sorta don't dig the height so right now I'm just sticking to short hop ADs.

 

[Cassius.]

Yep Ive been using a lot of Nair lately looking for uses. Its been pretty well. Mostly using em out of full hops under platforms and ledge jumps.

Ledge hopped ADs eh. I dig.

Something else I just remembered..
I saw I think.. I think it was vex.. who brought my attention to klaw hopped ADs.
Any1 else tried this? I sorta don't dig the height so right now I'm just sticking to short hop ADs.

For one thing, FHNAir is autocancelled on the lower platforms of battlefield, lol. KHAD is extremely lulzy. Honestly I don't see any point in a KHAD unless you need to avoid an attack in the air, but if that's the case and you need to avoid an aerial attack, why would you be in the air in the first place? lol

 

[Hobobloke]

I propose we call this new advanced technique "MrEhTilting". Or perhaps the "Ledge Ehttack"

You must tell us how you do this MrEh. I doubt it will be very useful in competitive play due to the mass amount of tech skill needed to perform it, but it's something that should be known to Bowser players worldwide.

It seemed no-one else picked up on the sarcasm here, either that or my sarcasm detector is broken.

 

[B!squick]

If he is, he needs be less of a smart ***, lol. RESPECT YOUR ELDERS, BOY!

 

[Phiddlesticks]

Yeah, but you have to at least give me props for the "Ledge Ehttack"

 

[B!squick]

The awesome play on words had me totally fooled.

 

[Hobobloke]

It was an awesome name.

 

[Flayl]

Are auto-cancelled FAirs -> fortress cross-ups unpunishable by tether grabs?

By this I mean short hop FAir into someone's shield and immediately fortress to the other side of their shield.

Thinking about doing this to Yoshi since he has a pretty terrible shield, and this would be great against characters with poor out of shield options like Link.

Metagaming quote action!

Phiddlesticks is a sarcasm machine, the few times he doesn't use sarcasm I get really confused and have to ask him if he's serious hahaha.

 

[mars16]

Question
_______

Who's stronger between Bowser

and

King D3

 

[B!squick]

Easy. The answer is 42.

 

[moyshe]

Happy New Years Bowser Boards!!! 10 More Years Of Meta ****** You!!!!

 

[B!squick]

Happy New Years Bowser Boards!!! 10 More Years Of Meta ****** You!!!!

I don't know how to take this. Meta Knight? Or the meta game? O.o?

 

[Cassius.]

You know what, I'm not going to say anything :L

 

[Sinz]

Alright, sorry about posting it in the wrong place. Here is my question once again.

What would you say are Snake's best options for edgeguarding Bowser?

 

[Cassius.]

Alright, sorry about posting it in the wrong place. Here is my question once again.

What would you say are Snake's best options for edgeguarding Bowser?

I answered in the BGD but I'm not quite sure, I said it's either BAir or NAir but I'd have to look into that. I'm not 100% sure :x

 

[Sinz]

Alright, I just posted my summary for my guide in the BGD.

Thank you for your input!

 

[Ancho]

Question
_______

Who's stronger between Bowser

and

King D3

King Dedede is stronger (can kill earlier) though it's really hard to say who is "stronger".

 

[Waft-OLi]

i wanna 2nd bowser for fun any tips?

 

[Flayl]

Learn to bait people into falling into your aerial klaw
Learn the easiest grab release options
Learn if you're better off spacing in FTilt or Jab range for each matchup
Learn how to get past projectile walls

&

as always

fortress oos

 

[B!squick]

Also, if you learn how to FSmash and DownB effectively the MrEh way, you will be god-like.

 

[Waft-OLi]

thx guys lol