Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
That sounds fine to me.
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In theory it seems pretty even, but Linguini and Kage destroy ICs from what I've seen. I have a really tough time in this match-up and other ICs haven't reported anything better. I'd be interesting in hearing how UI vs Linguini goes if that ever happens.Ganon has a slight advantage over ICs. It's pretty close to even imo.
Same goes for the entire cast though, right? It's a lot harder to get Fox stuck in a position like that than other characters, and even when he's cornered, shine can often save him. It's also so easy for Fox to take advantage of a misstep and shine you off the edge, which often results in Nana dying.If the ICs grab Fox or hit him with something that combos into a grab by an edge, he's dead with or without wobbling thanks to the handoff.
I know Linguini and Kage have lost very close matches to Chu before, and Uber Ice did well against Linguini somewhat recently.In theory it seems pretty even, but Linguini and Kage destroy ICs from what I've seen. I have a really tough time in this match-up and other ICs haven't reported anything better. I'd be interesting in hearing how UI vs Linguini goes if that ever happens.
This is true, although I do think ICs have more reliable methods of comboing Fox into grabs than most other good characters.Same goes for the entire cast though, right? It's a lot harder to get Fox stuck in a position like that than other characters, and even when he's cornered, shine can often save him. It's also so easy for Fox to take advantage of a misstep and shine you off the edge, which often results in Nana dying.
are these unrelated thoughts or do you think that's legitimate evidencesamus > ic
with wobbling on, ic = samus maybe a hairline advantage for ic
wobbling should be banned at all tournaments
It should be the new MBR rule set imo. If that is the new standard of tournies to come I don't see why we wouldn't use it.Good question about the stages. The chart should assuming counterpicking and whatnot, but are we using the new MBR stage list or the old traditional one that includes Mute City, Pokefloats, etc.?
love you MaxPeople underestimate Falco's recovery.
when other characters get kneed at the edge of the stage at 60% they're dead too. and how, exactly, do you plan on kneeing Falco at the edge?Maybe at 0 %, but when you get kneed on the edge of a stage at 60 %...good luck recovering.
clearly the falco is ********.and how, exactly, do you plan on kneeing Falco at the edge?
Anything under agreement is basically pending. I'm just going to update several at a time so it doesn't have to be every hour.Maybe at 0 %, but when you get kneed on the edge of a stage at 60 %...good luck recovering.
If only poor Falco had a better recovery...
Also, is Fox vs Sheik being changed to a slight advantage for Fox or is it being kept as it is?
I know, I was referring to the "ranking" on John's chart.vulcan he ordered it based on the current tier list
hahahaha whatMaybe at 0 %, but when you get kneed on the edge of a stage at 60 %...good luck recovering.
If only poor Falco had a better recovery...
lolll, go easy on him. He thinks he knows what hes talking about.hahahaha what
are you an elaborate troll or something? very few people have opinions as consistently misguided as yourself
It's not even. That misconception is predominantly based on the many Linguini vs Chops matches that have happened over the years. Linguini always wins, but he honestly plays the matchup so much better than chops. I know chops thinks he's the heat when it comes to that matchup but he approaches too often and leaves Linguini way too many openings. Linguini has since lost 3 sets to Shiz (very recently; the only sets he as lost to Falco in tourney in 3 years to my knowledge), although 2 were close, and I'd put my money on PP beating him next time they meet in tournament. Linguini has also trashed Mango's Falco more than once, but tbh Mango really needs to work on that matchup. Kage beat Mango, and Falco/Fox are Kage's worst matchups. PP wrecked Kage, and I had no doubts of this even after seeing Kage beat Mango. Maybe part of that is bias because I've played PP so many times, but that guy really knows the matchup.Ask Linguini about the Falco vs Ganon matchup. He hasn't lost to Falcos in forever in tourneys. He says it's an even matchup, if not, only 55-45 in Falco's favor (he's using numbers, not me, don't freak out at me).
falco vs falcon and ganon are only > not >>. both characters have significant abilities to do stuff to falco once they get a hit. Falco wins if he doesn't get hit, but in the words of mango "everyone gets hit"Some Agreement:
Doc > Luigi to Doc = Luigi
Doc >> Y.Link to Doc > Y.Link
Falco > Falcon to Falco >> Falcon
Falco > Ganon to Falco >> Ganon
Falco >> DK to Falco >>> DK
Falco >>> Roy to Falco >> Roy
Falcon >> Luigi to Falcon > Luigi
Fox >> Jigglypuff to Fox > Jigglypuff
Ganon = DK to Ganon > DK
Ganon > Pikachu to Ganon = Pikachu
ICs >>> Pichu to ICs >> Pichu
ICs >>> Yoshi to ICs >> Yoshi
Peach = Falco to Peach > Falco
LOL, I don't exaggerate. There's a crap load of impossible matchups in this game.unknown, roy vs marth is only slight disadvantage/disadvantage. Roy isn't THAT bad of a character. If you dont know how roy plays, you might think otherwise, but its definitely not a large disadvantage (as far as this chart is concerned)
I would like people to stop exaggerating matchups.
Large advantage basically means there is no chance for the lower character to win, like say marth vs pichu. The majority of mid/low tier vs high/mid will be slight or standard.
More on Unknown's list:
ICs vs Peach and Samus is not "large advantage", only "advantage"
ICs vs Doc was even or in doc's favor iirc......
lol, dunno why doc apparedntly beat ICs. He has so much punishable crap that will get him wobbled. He also has a hard time splitting them up.Doc v. Icies is Doc's favor. The Doc boards and the ic boards agree with this, but unknown disagrees... any reason why?