Then stop calling yourself a pacmain, and stop telling people you're an authority on a character that you don't like because he isn't Mario.
Why would I stop calling myself a PAC-MAN main when I main PAC-MAN? And since when have I told people I have an authority on the character? No, seriously? I am just arguing and you happen to disagree! I REALLY like PAC-MAN, that's why I main him (because he is the most fun character in the game to play). Stop being so butthurt about my opinions about him and actually start combatting my arguments instead!
First off, Zero isn't the end all be all of Pac-Man viability. Maybe Abadango decided that Pac-Man isn't a good fit for him.
@Pacman9 is always switching off of Pac-Man. Dtilt seems like a good option against shields but needs to be tested further. Although it isn't the same a combo throw.
I personally think Pac-Man is the most consistant character because most of main moves don't factor rage in, fruits, trampoline bounces, pellet healing, plus his moves that do scale with rage do so poorly so it isn't noticable. I'm not saying Pac-Man is the best character nor does he not have flaws. He does benefit from matchup inexperience but even if everyone knows not to fall for his traps he can still have the advantage. I make the traps and have the time I don't even plan them out before hand, the oppurtunity just presents itself. Pac-Man also probably has one of the best evasive games in Smash 4. He can out maneuver any setup and camp out anyone if he needs to. Pac-Man can time people out instead of beating people's shields if he has the lead. I don't really know how to end this but you aren't giving Pac-Man enough credit.
That's not what I said, I just felt that I wanted to share with you what a top player has said. And that is not the reason I believe PAC-MAN is unviable.
Then we have different opinions about the notion "consistency". See no point in furthering this.
Regarding abadango, what you said isn't necessarily true (won't blame you though, as none of us know the reasoning behind his decision). Before (when he mained PAC-MAN), he could switch character when he met a Rosalina, for example.
Of course, I'm not saying he is bottom tier. I just think that he is unviable because he is not a consistent character and lack a reliable way to deal with shields. This game is disgustingly overly-defensive. If it was more offensive, PAC-MAN would easily be a better character, and that is why I state over and over that PAC-MAN would likely be high tier in Melee/Brawl. PAC-MAN is a character that will slowly sunk as times goes by. It's not about not giving credit to the character. It's not fair that I build up so much damage and then die to a single hit due to rage. In Brawl/Melee this wouldn't have existed for example... What I'm trying to say is that PAC-MAN oftentimes must get in more hits than his opponents before the KO and thus it leaves more room to get punished while rage effect is a ticking bomb if he does not secure the KO. The longer a character must wait to secure the KO, the greater the probability of getting KOed is, as killing power and KO safeness is a much bigger factor here in Smash 4 than it was in Brawl/Melee due to rage. Thank goodness for PAC-MAN's kill confirm with fair though, but that's not ultra-safe either...
Abadango still uses PAC, also its completely possible and within reason he did it because he enjoys playing meta Knight. he did also play Wario And Rosalina, and you're not about to tell me they're unviable too cause he switched mains. it only takes 1 to prove something, ZeRo proved despite diddy nerf's he can still dominate with him agaisnt characters much better. Leo Proved meta knight is still viable after beating mr R. as long as someone can do it, its possible, all you have to do is improve.
ZeRo also stated he considers PAC High Tier so that point is mute honestly.
if you dont feel PAC is viable, might be time to throw in the towel. cause just like NAKAT said "Dont rely on patches" they wpuld certainly be nice if they gave him a buff but at this point we have to start advancing the meta with the thought of never getting a buff
If I understood it correctly, he would go Meta Knight as much as possible. To me, that sounds that Meta Knight will be his main now. Actually, I have always thought Wario is not viable (mained him in Brawl and has him as a "secondary" in this game) in Smash 4, but I digress.
It's one thing I must say regarding the Diddy Kong "nerfs": First off, I would rather call it "balancing" than nerfs, as removing/weakening something so stupid as "hoo-hah" is hardly a nerf (well, technically it is...), it is just pure balancing. A nerf is what they did to R.O.B.'s up-throw and Mii Gunner's launch grenade. That is pure nerfs. But Diddy Kong's hoo-hah? Pure balancing. Diddy Kong after the "nerf" = still top tier, as the hoo-hah did not make him top tier. His stats did and the hoo-hah was just icing on the cake. Anyway...
Meta Knight is a better character than PAC-MAN, so I'm not sure what you want to tell me about Leo beating Mr. R...?
"as long as someone can do it, its possible, all you have to do is improve." Well yeah, kind off... You see, I don't really think the Lower tiered characters can do it because of sucky stats. Of course PAC-MAN can win matches due to the player's skill with him, but it gets to a point where skills is thrown outta the window. (What I'm talking about is "unwinnable" matchups.)
As I have said before, I will never give up on PAC-MAN, as he is my main. All this debating from me isn't because of "pacman is bad, waah buff him!!1!" but more like "PAC-MAN isn't viable because of this and this" and "PAC-MAN suffers a lot because of this and that" and so on. Come on, even I know that complaining won't change things, or at least won't overhaul things, but it feels nice to express one's feelings and learn something from you guys, as we all have different opinions, or at least, you all have different opinions from me, and that is okay. =P Overall you have good points though.
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My conclusion is: If PAC-MAN doesn't get any fixes and buffs and/or if the core engine of the game isn't changed to the better, then PAC-MAN will not be viable in the long run. Of course, this won't mean that you can't win with PAC-MAN nor should stop playing as him. It just means that he will not be viable at top level play and thus he struggles a lot, just like any other middle tier. (For me, high tier and above are viable characters.) Because whenever I win with PAC-MAN, I am proud I won because I know it was pure skills and nothing else, as PAC-MAN has not even a single thing being overpowering about him. Nothing at all. If you lose to PAC-MAN, you freaking lost to that player because of his/her skills! (With the exception of matchup inexperience, which shouldn't be a problem with the proper training.)
I must say I'm impressed that some of you are willing to debate with me, but if you don't want to do it then just stop doing it. (It's better to stop debating right away than to avoid the questions asked, as has happened before...)
