Metagame Minute, DI Part 4, Out Now! 12/13/2011 UPDATE!

[Lokinario]

So... any ideas for the next episode, GIMR?

 

[GimR]

It's a secret


BTW, can anyone who know's Japanese help me out when making Japnese tags and titles for my videos?

 

[6Mizu]

How many other characters have amazing Z-axis spotdodges?

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

@6Mizu: I've heard good things about Wario's...

 

[TheReflexWonder]

The only one I know for sure is ROB, and that Nana is slightly in the Z-Axis, but that might only be whenever Popo is occupying the same spot.

 

[6Mizu]

I thought that link, rob, wario, diddy kong, and falco had Z axis sidsteps. Don't they?

 

[Conviction]

It's a secret


BTW, can anyone who know's Japanese help me out when making Japnese tags and titles for my videos?

I can help you!

 

[deepseadiva]

This is my favorite show.

Good stuff.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I'm so hyped for the next one.

 

[GimR]

Sorry it's taking so long guys, I'll have it up in a couple of hours

 

[NO-IDea]

It's worth the wait.

 

[GimR]

Metagame Minute Episode 3 - Edge Slip Mechanics - 4/5/2011

 

[Tarmogoyf]

Wow, a lot of characters can't escape this on BF lol. I always wondered why my jiggs got jab locks off of this all the time.

Also, for people missing this, MK can setup infinites on all of the characters luigi was knocking down on BF with this /sad

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Is there a list for other "important" platforms, like on Lylat or Pokémon Stadium 1?

 

[GimR]

Is there a list for other "important" platforms, like on Lylat or Pokémon Stadium 1?

read my blog , I haven't tested Lylat yet though

 

[Tesh]

Isn't the SV platform ever so slightly higher than the BF ones? Probably the most important platform in the game.

Also can't you just buffer a grab as you are sliding off the platform to regain control?

 

[Yikarur]

why grab?
At least you can't airdodge because if you airdodge close to the ground you'll cancel the airdodge animation with tech.

 

[GimR]

Isn't the SV platform ever so slightly higher than the BF ones? Probably the most important platform in the game.

Also can't you just buffer a grab as you are sliding off the platform to regain control?

this is true depending on how strong the attack that hit you was and how far away from the ledge you are

I made sure to include traps in the video that either you couldn't do this, or you'd be hit for doing so

 

[Tesh]

why grab?
At least you can't airdodge because if you airdodge close to the ground you'll cancel the airdodge animation with tech.

You can grab during shield push (after shieldstun though) and if you slide off of a platform during a grab, you don't tumble, you just go into a neutral aerial stance. As long as you are far enough from the edge, you can grab and then airdodge or double jump to avoid.

 

[Conviction]

I guess my suggestion for the next Metagame Minute is.

See what characters can cancel their recovery on the edge and get their double jump back like Wolf,Fox,Falco etc. and what the frames to do it are.

 

[san.]

Elemental (Water/Wind/Ice) mechanics and usage on characters/stages would be neat, I suppose.

 

[stingers]

great video =] these are awesome lol. props gimr

 

[Lokinario]

Seagull discovered something out about this:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12484742#post12484742

 

[Player-1]

I have got a question. You said that on the 9th frame that you can start moving your character to the left and the right. Well when you showed the characters that can't do anything to prevent getting that "stage smacked" animation they fell straight down with no movement involved. Wouldn't DIing to the left/right after that 9th frame increase the time you get to the ground so that characters that hit the ground on the last couple of frames of the edge slip animation wouldn't be forced to if and only if the moved to the left/right?

 

[GimR]

I have got a question. You said that on the 9th frame that you can start moving your character to the left and the right. Well when you showed the characters that can't do anything to prevent getting that "stage smacked" animation they fell straight down with no movement involved. Wouldn't DIing to the left/right after that 9th frame increase the time you get to the ground so that characters that hit the ground on the last couple of frames of the edge slip animation wouldn't be forced to if and only if the moved to the left/right?

no, moving left or right doesn't change your vertical fall speed. Watch the part where metaknight gets hit off by a super weak jab, and a fully charged f-smash by Luigi and lands on the exact same frame.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I have a question about getting locked that you may be able to answer.

I've definitely seen some character roll left or right instead of getting straight up before. Can anyone tell me why that happened/how to do it?

 

[Player-1]

Right, you're still falling at the same speed no matter if you DI left or right, but instead you're increasing the distance from you to the ground by shifting your character, although still moving at the same speed. In the video Luigi used a jab and then an Fsmash, but what if Luigi used jab and the MK fall straight down to the ground and then comparing it to Luigi using jab again and MK DIing to the right/left, you're saying that still wouldn't be able to get out of?

 

[Chuee]

I've definitely seen some character roll left or right instead of getting straight up before. Can anyone tell me why that happened/how to do it?

I'm not 100% on this but from what I've heard you have to hit them before a certain frame to force a get up.

 

[Laem]

I'm not 100% on this but from what I've heard you have to hit them before a certain frame to force a get up.

i as well believe this is correct.

Anyway, GIMR, i feel like i've done this many a time by now but i gotta say this thread
****ING DELIVERS

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Right, you're still falling at the same speed no matter if you DI left or right, but instead you're increasing the distance from you to the ground by shifting your character, although still moving at the same speed. In the video Luigi used a jab and then an Fsmash, but what if Luigi used jab and the MK fall straight down to the ground and then comparing it to Luigi using jab again and MK DIing to the right/left, you're saying that still wouldn't be able to get out of?

Correct. Being able to move left or right is pretty much the same effect as being hit with a stronger or weaker move here; it doesn't affect how early or late your character hits the wrong.

 

[Conviction]

I'm pretty sure this applies to Halberd's platform and Frigate's 2nd part platform seeing how they are about the same height as BFs.

Wait...If MK's were to combine this vid and the first one...gay...

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I'm not 100% on this but from what I've heard you have to hit them before a certain frame to force a get up.

Assuming a lock consists of multiple hits, does it only matter for the the first hit or the final hit?

 

[Chuee]

I think it's for each time you hit them.
I haven't heard about that for more than one hit, but I'd assume it's the same.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Oh, wait--Do you mean that if your hit is too late, they just act like they were hit while standing, more or less?

 

[Yikarur]

I'm pretty sure this applies to Halberd's platform and Frigate's 2nd part platform seeing how they are about the same height as BFs.

Wait...If MK's were to combine this vid and the first one...gay...

Lylats Sideplatforms from the ground are about the same heigh as battlefields.
PS1 Platforms are at the same height.
Halberds has the same height on the Ship.
Some Delfino Main Stages
Brinstar Right Platform to right flat ground has about the same height.

Frigate's platforms are higher than BFs.

 

[GimR]

@ player 1 - each character's edge slip animation is a set animation. moving left or right doesn't rotate the character in any way and it doesn't make him fall faster. Trust me, I.did the research.

@reflex: I think it has to do with jab locking some one after the window of time you're supposed to.

 

[Player-1]

Obviously, you're not understanding my question, but that's fine because I think I've already got the answer.

 

[GimR]

Well, what's the answer?

 

[Chuee]

Oh, wait--Do you mean that if your hit is too late, they just act like they were hit while standing, more or less?

not really, they still have the same jab lock animation, however they can roll or getup attack instead of having a forced getup.

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

not really, they still have the same jab lock animation, however they can roll or getup attack instead of having a forced getup.

Yeah that's what happens when both people are slow. For example, someone misses a tech, then after the duration of time where they could have been locked they still haven't pressed anything (otherwise they would have escaped already) and are hit with a move that has locking properties. At this point, they're not locked. You see the 'flopping' animation but because it wasn't used quickly enough they don't get locked. They then realise what has happened and start frantically trying to mash out because they think they're locked (like that's gonna help if they actually were) and all of a sudden they roll or attack. The confusion arises because both players were too slow.

@GIMR: This is really useful info man. EA was telling me about this a while go. You've all done a great job getting it all together.