Metagame Minute, DI Part 4, Out Now! 12/13/2011 UPDATE!

[stingers]

oo cool =] these always teach me something new, nice vid

 

[Laem]

yesyesyesyesyes

i love it i dig it

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

Concerning the stale laser on block which can be spot dodged, did you keep in mind that some characters have different length spotdodges? http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225510
I can only guess that a few characters would still be disadvantaged even if they spotdodged the grab and there are a few other interesting things that might change as well. Was this considered? If so, what else was found?

 

[Ripple]

spotdodge is not MK's fastest option OOS btw GIMR.

up-B OOS is invincible frame 1

 

[Browny]

p. sure its not

I was under the impression that this was common knowledge

Same. Didnt know the thing about staled lasers losing the advantage though, and considering lasers will be stale, I guess it does matter a fair bit. Especially since falco wont always be landing in his grab range while silent laser'ing, it should be dodgeable quite often.

 

[Ripple]

not for DK QQ...

btw, you're right, not invincible frame 1

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I wasn't going to say this but...

Lucas' U-smash is invincible frame 1-4

 

[GimR]

not for DK QQ...

btw, you're right, not invincible frame 1

Yeah, it's frame 5

p. sure its notSame. Didnt know the thing about staled lasers losing the advantage though, and considering lasers will be stale, I guess it does matter a fair bit. Especially since falco wont always be landing in his grab range while silent laser'ing, it should be dodgeable quite often.

actually the further away you are the better your frame advantage once it hits their shield. for example, if I'm far away enough where the laser doesn't hit my opponent until 2 frames after I land, then that's an extra 2 frame advantage. Also, don't forget that Falco's grab range is quite big.

I wasn't going to say this but...

Lucas' U-smash is invincible frame 1-4

I was actually thinking about this, but for a Lucas to think fast enough to Usmash OOS after you laser it, That Lucas would have to be very well informed, fast, and smart, lol

 

[TheReflexWonder]

That\'s why laser -> BDACUS is effective.

 

[GimR]

I didn't put this is in the video but DLX cancel is also possible no matter what on block and hit, and it's really hard to punish

 

[Laem]

DLX cancel?
also gimr, do u know just how stale laser would have to be for losing the +5 advantage?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

DLX cancel?

It's also called the Gatling Combo by some people. It's landing a dash attack and canceling the hit into an Up-Smash.

 

[Laem]

ohh i idd know it as the gatling combo
grab here is still the best thing ever tho

 

[MK26]

so...a DACUS where the DA part hits before it gets C'd into the US?

why do we need two different terms to say the same thing?

 

[stingers]

gatling combo refers to the dash attack and the usmash both connecting. its different from a dacus where u cancel the dash attack asap
its also useful for getting dacus down for scrubs. like how in melee, u learned to wavedash by airdodging clunkily into the ground. its baby steps

 

[TheReflexWonder]

so...a DACUS where the DA part hits before it gets C'd into the US?

why do we need two different terms to say the same thing?

The Gatling Combo was discovered before people realized that you could cancel into an Up-Smash without first hitting with a dash attack.

Canceling the dash attack after it hits doesn't give you nearly as much of a horizontal boost (if any), so they definitely have different uses, at least. I think if DACUS was discovered before the Gatling Combo, the name would've probably been similar (sort of like short/long glide toss). Late DACUS or something. I dunno.

 

[GimR]

I think it should be called DAHCUS: Dash Attack Hit Canceling U-Smash

 

[MK26]

@stingers/reflex: ah ok

@gimr: +1 to that

 

[-LzR-]

This laser thing is pretty cool and it's something that actually is very viable and useful in every match. I am sure our local Falco has used this against me, because sometimes I realize I didn't seem to have time to do anything to escape it in time.

 

[Dr.Fair]

Hey GIMR, I appreciate you.

 

[GimR]

Hey guys, I'm sorry to have to say this but you're gonna have to wait another week. I had technical difficulties for most of the week and on Sunday(today) I got sick.



@Dr. Fair: Thanks

 

[san.]

It's all good. Take your time, hope you feel better.

 

[MK26]

i was gonna come in here and be all and 'im expecting a video tomorrow'

but now i feel bad for wanting to do that because you have a legit john

if youre not gonna give us a vid can you at least tell us what its about?

 

[GimR]

i was gonna come in here and be all and 'im expecting a video tomorrow'

but now i feel bad for wanting to do that because you have a legit john

if youre not gonna give us a vid can you at least tell us what its about?

melee

 

[B.A.M.]

Hope all is well GIMR. You're in my prayers. Cant wait for your next Metagame Minute!

 

[Digital Limit]

How do you correctly perform Falco's silent laser blast?

 

[SlashTalon]

Do a Fullhop-Fair then buffer a laser before landing to always achieve a silent laser. Use the distance from the ground where he fires the silent laser as a reference to now perform it freely. Hope that helps.

 

[GimR]

Episode 6 - Grab Release Mechanics (Melee) - 5/09/2011 - Discussion starts on Post 188

 

[t3h Icy]

Well, ****.

 

[stingers]

melee in competitive brawl discussion? lol
nah this was a cool vid though =] its cool to know they just directly ported over the melee characters like that.

 

[MonkUnit]

they didn't port over the melee data on characters

as far as mechanics like bowser's GRCG, then yes, it is "ported" per se due to being able to GRCG in both games.

 

[deepseadiva]

Metagame Minute, Episode 6: Grab Release Mechanics (Melee), 4/19/2011 UPDATE!

Well, ****.

 

[MK26]

so it actually was about melee

Well, ****.

 

[B.A.M.]

sadness. i really was looking forward to another brawl mechanic thats less explored. Crouch Cancelling got me all excited then it was sort of a dud (relative to what I thought it was) and then no brawl metagame minute. Good vid though. I really thought you were joking about it regarding melee.

 

[Kinzer]

I would like to see if Falco's phantasm mechanics can be explained in full or greater detail.

Yes, a researcher's request to another.

 

[A2ZOMG]

I can safely say from memory that Falco literally does teleport during individual frames when doing phantasm. Hitting him out of it is a matter of spacing. This was covered in a topic in the Falco forums.

Same thing goes for the Wolf Flash probably, not to mention Fox Illusion.

 

[Yikarur]

the hurtbox comes before the hitbox, every timed attack in the game could hit Fox/Falco/Wolf out of it without the attacker getting hit himself. Fox/Falco/Wolf get bull**** lag if they get hit out of sideB.
Fox/Falcos sideB hit has hitlag for the one getting hit, but not for the attacker.
:D

 

[Browny]

Also, posting in 'Competitive BRAWL discussion' forum.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

u just mad cause u bad at merree

 

[MonkUnit]

Haha grim tuesday

I want to see a metagame minute on smash 64