The final hit of Ness' jab combo has too much end lag to properly combo at any percent iirc. A surprise jab can occasionally lead into an easy hit if they're not expecting it but at high level play I don't think it's suitable tactic.
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I think hes talking about the knockback on the 3rd hit, at low-mid%s it forces them to tech the hit while being pretty close to Ness. So you can just follow up with an attack or chase with a grab
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
peek (or anyone), can you just explain the djc fair chains to me? I have been trying so hard to learn them, but for some reason I can never link more than 2, or even connect the dair correctly...its pissing me off
ballin4life
Smash Hero
What character are you trying to do them on? Try a super floaty like samus for practice.
Japanese ness is much better than US ness. Up b has more invincibility frames. d-air is better, Ness's smashes get much more power. But there is one move that makes him...really annoying in the japanese version.
Up air priority/damage is STUPID compared to the US version.
This was tested vs a Jigglypuff in training mode. It kills a Jigglypuff at the center of Hyrule:
95 in US version.
SIXTY FIVE in Japanese version.
I don't think Ness is a useless character in the US version. I mean, if he was he'd be below Link.
Yeah I am not a big supporter of Fair chains. I love being flashy but Fair 0-death combos are not my mug of chicken soup
Just keep practicing and listen to ballin (:
Blade689
Smash Journeyman
@th3kuzinator: the biggest thing that kept me from doing DJC combos was finding how to reliably press the buttons fast enough..... idk if its your problem too, but I learned how to slide my fingers across the controller at the right timing to accomplish shield breakers.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
I dont know if this makes sense to anyone but, the issue i had with DJC was i would slide way to fast so it never came out properly.
Once i slowed down and found more "rhythmic" sliding action i was able to do DJCs far closer to the ground and faster (Isuppose they go hand in hand but owell)
Once i slowed down and found more "rhythmic" sliding action i was able to do DJCs far closer to the ground and faster (Isuppose they go hand in hand but owell)
Gammelnorsk
Smash Ace
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the only thing i know about ness is that saske is really good at fighting him i mean he made a video guide that must mean he is the most knowledgeable of players....
Ness sucks for 0 to death combos:
floaties:
Uair x 1-samus, mario, weegi to fair's to spike. HARD and the fair is so **** that if you mistime it your stuffed.
straight fairs to spike: jiggs, and only if your super quick samus.
nairs are generally not worth your time unless its jiggs, starting with an nair with jiggs tosses him up a littlbe bit higher for a fair chain to spike.
imo this is the best method of comboing floaties, but its impractical even if your well practised in it. small amounts of di on the fair/uair will stuff it up. And good luck getting an approach son.
^^sucks because this wont work on hyrule. and even then most levels will still bring problems. also going from fair to spike in a fair chain is hard.
heavies:
nair/fair to spike at around 20-40%. thats it., unless you happen to be close enough to the edge to do usmash to spike or utilt to spike etc.
heres some ness combo's on heavies. http://www.youtube.com/blaze3927
note how basic they are, they dont get any further with that on heavies unless your using Tas or a wall.
floaties:
Uair x 1-samus, mario, weegi to fair's to spike. HARD and the fair is so **** that if you mistime it your stuffed.
straight fairs to spike: jiggs, and only if your super quick samus.
nairs are generally not worth your time unless its jiggs, starting with an nair with jiggs tosses him up a littlbe bit higher for a fair chain to spike.
imo this is the best method of comboing floaties, but its impractical even if your well practised in it. small amounts of di on the fair/uair will stuff it up. And good luck getting an approach son.
^^sucks because this wont work on hyrule. and even then most levels will still bring problems. also going from fair to spike in a fair chain is hard.
heavies:
nair/fair to spike at around 20-40%. thats it., unless you happen to be close enough to the edge to do usmash to spike or utilt to spike etc.
heres some ness combo's on heavies. http://www.youtube.com/blaze3927
note how basic they are, they dont get any further with that on heavies unless your using Tas or a wall.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
I laughed at the PK thunder one 
The more basic the 0-death the better.
Less complexity = less room for error and less opponent variables (DI, Platforms, etc)
Nair Chains are not for TAS only.
The more basic the 0-death the better.
Less complexity = less room for error and less opponent variables (DI, Platforms, etc)
Nair Chains are not for TAS only.
ballin4life
Smash Hero
If you use weak aerials right ness can do uair -> weak aerial -> spike at mid high percents on heavies
firo
Smash Ace
Ness may not be the best true comboer, but his ability to tech chase is unmatched to the point where a lot of the tech chases can leave the opponent with no options if done perfectly, especially paired with DJC and reverse DJC boosting (even more so on platforms).
Nairs are good against a lot of characters, combos like nair x2 to spike works on lighter characters like pikachu. Fair chains are cool but DIing up usually gets opponents out real quick. Practicing them in training mode can help, but remember that you should start with an uair or so and make sure that the opponent hits the very back of the hitbox when you are near the ledge to get the spike off. Even working in bairs that send the opponent forward can be worked into combos and don't send the opponent too far, but that's mega-hard.
Comboing into grab is also an option and is not seen too often as a finisher, but it works.
Nairs are good against a lot of characters, combos like nair x2 to spike works on lighter characters like pikachu. Fair chains are cool but DIing up usually gets opponents out real quick. Practicing them in training mode can help, but remember that you should start with an uair or so and make sure that the opponent hits the very back of the hitbox when you are near the ledge to get the spike off. Even working in bairs that send the opponent forward can be worked into combos and don't send the opponent too far, but that's mega-hard.
Comboing into grab is also an option and is not seen too often as a finisher, but it works.
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
peek is too good.
wtf you forgot to post something not pointless
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woops we forgot to look at alancitu's ness combos, he has the best ones of U version for sure.
he was l33t at hitting the weak fairs/nairs
StealthyGunnar
Smash Champion
bottom c button (2x) > dair (down a, z-cancelled) > bottom c button (2x) > dair (down a, z-cancelled), repeat.
Im looking for joystick motions while moving foward and DJC dair
firo
Smash Ace
Instead of using the bottom c button twice, try tilting your thumb downward so that you can hit c-right, c-down and a in one motion. That'll make djc a lot easier and quicker (also no need to cancel the dair).
For stick movements (lets say you are heading right) it would be hold right > down > reset stick > hold right > down etc. You momentum from the DJC will keep you moving right during the move.
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
I use up and c-down to do my djc inputs. It's much more fun than doing two c button jumps.
StealthyGunnar
Smash Champion
just hold forward until u need to dair and then slide the control stick down.
Yeah same here and yeah its fun beans, much more joystick action
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
This online controller has lasted me for 1.5 years so far. Maybe I just got lucky with this controller.
sharksquail
Smash Ace
I've just picked up Ness, and am having problems with my approach. I've read to approach with d-air and b-air, but i feel like every time i get in close enough to use them i just get punished. is the idea just to space until an opening shows up, or is it good to have a more aggressive approach?
ballin4life
Smash Hero
Use horizontal DJC for an extra speed boost.
Gammelnorsk
Smash Ace
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i have come to the conclusion that ness is extremely fun
sharksquail
Smash Ace
ness is tons of fun if you don't care about recovering. or like owning someone with your recovery.
Blade689
Smash Journeyman
that was actually a discussion point on your channel, not this forum page. What you were doing was fast falling after every edge guard, and trying to recover from bellow the stage after every hit. Making you predicable and repeating the habit.
Above/bellow/horizontal..... all of them can be the right or wrong answer, the advice was more directed at the extreme opposite choice to get you to mix up your patterns.
I actually like to be horizontal, but then aim down, and then get that little tinny boost up to correct it back to the ledge.
Blade689
Smash Journeyman
glad to hear the break through on your ness game was that important.
Have you every practiced PK Thunder in training with close-up mode on? if you do that, you get the timing down for the angle without seeing it anymore. Some people just think its stupid to use training mode, but for PK thunder training, its totally worth it. And it feels really good to try and drift as far as possible away, then come back. See the full range without any pressure to it.
Blade689
Smash Journeyman
Bubble? don't know the term.
Blade689
Smash Journeyman
OHHHHHHH. Yeah, Same purpose as close up. Just anything that blinds a person from seeing the thunder makes them rely on the timing.
I love the fact that its the point of contact, not the angle of the pk thunder that creates your trajectory. very big difference to the use of the attack once you realize that. Some people confuse that, timing solves that mistake quickly. Strait up shots become pretty easy.
I love the fact that its the point of contact, not the angle of the pk thunder that creates your trajectory. very big difference to the use of the attack once you realize that. Some people confuse that, timing solves that mistake quickly. Strait up shots become pretty easy.
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
you call it a bubble?
its a magnifying glass (or at least I thought that was the correct term used)
Also, peek, your avatar is staring into my soul.
its a magnifying glass (or at least I thought that was the correct term used)
Also, peek, your avatar is staring into my soul.