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Ness mains and people who have heard of how FOW is a great Ness main like me are quite happy for FOW. See, people already knew about M2K and Ally. Big deal. Then FOW, a number of people who were aware of him, but not that he was such a big name like Ally, comes around and beats Tyrant, who is well-known and has been mentioned many times before in the past, gets beat by a Ness main who shines like the sun after Smash in Nevada. A Ness main in fourth place!Snake goes 45:55 with MK. To be honest 5 BSP (bull **** points) away from 40:60 isn't that big. How big is 5% afterall? Yes, it's a little more even. But we didn't go crazy because Snake beat MK, we went crazy because Ally beat M2K in a match we waited a long time for.
Yeah, and Meta Knight and Snake are 55:45. Wonderful.You keep bringing up "Ness is a low-tier" I don't give a **** what tier Ness is. So stop rephrasing it over and over. It's of little significance because we are talking about Ness vs MK, a 40:60 matchup (so I've been told/people have been saying)
Which is still a significant difference. If it's not, then I'll be beating Diddy Kongs all day with my Samus.If this were Ganon vs MK (20:80 - maybe worse) then that'd be fan****ingtastic if a Ganon beat a pro MK. But it's not a 20:80, it's a 40:60.
You're more than welcome to leave. No one is forcing you to return here like a dog returns to its vomit. You're the one who came in here and started johning for Tyrant. You didnt have to do that. You didn't have to come around this thread and try to ruin the fun for every Ness main.Still good ****, but god**** this is getting annoying.
Yeah, and Tyrant would probably get *****. It's not like FOW doesn't know how Marth works. I mean, after all, I've heard about how he fought Mike Haze's Marth and was trashing him, and the only reason why FOW lost was because he thought he was going to land safely on the stage, and thus did not use his PK Thunder properly. Not to mention, FOW has experience against Marths. This kid knows what he's doing.Tyrant should've gone Marth. LOLOLOLOL
you, sir, are quite skilled in the art of integrating similies into your arguements to get your points across.Then FOW, a number of people who were aware of him, but not that he was such a big name like Ally, comes around and beats Tyrant, who is well-known and has been mentioned many times before in the past, gets beat by a Ness main who shines like the sun after Smash in Nevada. A Ness main in fourth place!
You're more than welcome to leave. No one is forcing you to return here like a dog returns to its vomit.
This guy is saying the truthThe ONLY exceptable thing to say after a match like that is,
"I got outplayed and he was better than me at the time. but I will get better and beat him the next time we cross paths"
I dont want to hear no crap aobut who hasnt played who, and who doesnt have experience, and who got gayed by who in the match before.
It sounds like tyrant needs to talk to my boy Kage about the Warrior's philosophy, cus if hes trying to say that some that happened entirely before and completely independant from his match with FOW, had any effect on the match, than he seriously needs to step his game up
Im sitting here watching the stream for SiN (Smash in Nevada). and I hear about this 13 year old kid named FOW taking a game off of M2K.
Obviously I cant believe this and brush it off as blatent lies.
BUT
Then I see this boy named tyrant. on live stream. being said to be at least top 5 mks in the nation. possibly number 2 right behind M2K.
And I see this man named tyrant. LOSE.
To a 13 year old
Ness player.
named FOW.
and yet ness is still below lucas on the tier list?!?!?
I now pose this question to all you ness mainers.
W
T
F
ARE YOU DOING WITH YOUR LIVES?!!?
GET FUTURE CAUSE IF YOU AINT FOW, YOU AINT LEGIT. STEP YO GAME UP YOU LOSER *****S
YOU NO LONGER HAVE ANY EXCUSES FOR LOSING. CUS IF A 13 YEAR OLD PLAYING NESS CAN BEAT TYRANT, ITS YOUR FAULT THAT YOUR CHARACTER SUCKS, BECAUSE THE CHARACTER IS OBVIOUSLY CAPABLE.
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You didn't catch my sarcasm with the LOLOLOLOLOL?Yeah, and Tyrant would probably get *****. It's not like FOW doesn't know how Marth works. I mean, after all, I've heard about how he fought Mike Haze's Marth and was trashing him, and the only reason why FOW lost was because he thought he was going to land safely on the stage, and thus did not use his PK Thunder properly. Not to mention, FOW has experience against Marths. This kid knows what he's doing.
Because, it's cool FOW got that far but that's not really what they are going YEE-HAW! about. Ness is low tier but tiers != matchups. Ness could be high tier, mid tier, bottom tier, ****ing non-existant and hacked into the game tier, and it would make no difference so long as the matchup was 40:60 against him.Ness is low tier Susa, why are you so adamant about leaving that painfully obvious fact out?
Ness is a bad character. That's just how it is. To see FOW doing well at a tourney is nice and all, but people obviously didn't know the matchup.
Inexperience in the matchup can make a huge difference. For example, Anther plays Pikachu. Now, he is obviously one of the top players in the nation, but a driving force behind him ****** a lot of people is due to their unfamiliarity with the Pikachu matchup. He still ***** people with skill, but them not knowing the matchup makes it a hell of a lot easier.
FOW did well. Kudos to him, no doubt. You obviously can't deny what happened, a BAD character beating the BEST character. Two smart players playing each. However, FOW knew the matchup EXTENSIVELY (as does most of world), while Tyrant knew of Ness and his capabilities, but was unclear as to what exactly a smart player would do with Ness.
So, Tyrant DID john after all.i recently talked to tyrant. tyrant says fow is good for a ness player, but he was really mad about losing to m2k in winners (he should have won the set, but m2k made a startling comeback and clinched game 2&3) so he was pretty mad about it and had mad johns vs. fow.
he has never played a ness in his life, and being that the current metagame is vs. MK, it isn't surprising that he should lose...
i'm pretty sure he underestimated fow as well, and was taking him lightly.
whatever, in my honest opinion i think it was poor match up experience on tyrant's behalf, but i don't think anyone is seriously contending that ness has the potential to beat MK, so...basically, i wouldn't expect a repeat.
sorry to kill the hype.
Grow up, SuSa.You didn't catch my sarcasm with the LOLOLOLOLOL?
Talk about failing.
I thought with how serious I was being the sudden LOLOLOLOLOL would be a give away for that sentence.Grow up, SuSa.
1. Sarcasm isn't as effective online as it is offline. 2. It wasn't funny.
Ness won't be banned ever :DNess should not be banned.
End of story.
I agree with Uffe's point; FOW and Ness deserve recognition from this. Not only did he defeat a player who is very good with Metaknight, but he also got 4th place at SIN.Could somebody lock this ****ing topic? The talk about Tyrant not knowing **** about Ness and FOW knowing a lot about MK is becoming a bother. Hell, we can't be happy without other people who don't main MK or Ness getting butt hurt. I mean God forbid someone like lain beat M2K and people got really happy! But when it comes to this kid who deserves this recognition because he's always been good and nobody ever bothered saying anything, it's suddenly a brush off! Good job!
What's done is done. If you don't care about FOW, then get the hell out. And if I get infracted for this, it was well worth it.
I agree. FOW beat Tyrant. fact. Why? doesn't matter, he beat Tyrant. get over it.I agree with Uffe's point; FOW and Ness deserve recognition from this. Not only did he defeat a player who is very good with Metaknight, but he also got 4th place at SIN.
Everything else is irrelevent. All this crap about Tyrant not knowing the matchup is johning. All this crap about "I would like to see this kid play him again" is johning.
Give FOW credit where credit is due. He is A FREAKING BEAST with Ness. 'Nuff said.
Hey look, it's what I thought.Foe is a really good player, and definitely the best Ness (as well as only Ness that I know of)
It's Fow.if you wanna know everything I'll just say it now
Foe is a really good player, although he's mostly really good vs MK compared to his other matchups. The first match I had with him he beat me last stock 150% on smashville and I was at 90%. He said he accidentally F smashed, but I accidentally drill rushed in front of him when I was trying to do up B. I counterpicked Delphino, won 2 stock high %, then he went FD, and I won 2 stock high %. That's the only match of the tourney I lost, since I 2-0d tyrant, 3-0d dsf, and 3-0d SK92, and 2-0d everyone else.
I beat Tyrant in a last-hit game on Battlefield, but I wouldn't say I got lucky because I did do 30 more damage than he did and I did get off the ledge instead of planking when I was up 2 stock to 1. He tried to plank in the last like ... I forget like... 20 seconds or so of the game but then I drill rushed to the edge then followed him to the bottom of the stage to Dair him. I guess it's kinda lucky, and the match was very even overall, but I defintiely think I deserved to win with the **** I had to pull outta my *** at the last second. He got frustrated from that, and then I ***** him badly on Yoshis Story and he quit out of it. It did not go to last game, he should not have won @ Bardull, I won both games fair and square. Just because it's close it means I should have lost? Seriously? No that's stupid.
Anyway from that point on he (Tyrant) was frustrated. He fought Foe on smashville, and had a good like 70 or 80% lead but then went for a glide attack and missed and then got spiked by Ness's Dair and got gimped. He went Delphino, and won a last hit game. On FD 3rd game, Foe Jv 2 stocked Tyrant, although I do think Tyrant was messing up more than usual.
Then later I played foe in 1 friendly and I was winning 30% to 50%, about to Dair his recovery and gimp him, but then I accidentally glided cuz I was holding X or something by accident and I got edge hogged and I ended up losing some random friendly because of that but who cares.
Foe also beat DSF in a close crew battle game, 3 stock to 3 Ness vs MK on FD, although it was last stock 100%+
Foe is a really good player, and definitely the best Ness (as well as only Ness that I know of)
that's everything you could want to know I think.
Take the hint.So I leave, and credible people start posting here? weird.
Actually, Ness doesn't do extraordinarily poorly against anyone... just check the matchup thread. nobody makes his matchup less than 40:60. Averaged out with everyone's individual matchup it would seem that his matchups are nearly 50:50. I've always wondered why ness is a low tier if each matchup is winnable with skill, but i know it's because we need more of our ness mains to be like FOW and own those awesome ppls.
Overall ranked against the entire roster Ness is a "bad character" but ranked against only Meta Knight (which is what this Ness vs MK ordeal is about) Ness is the "slightly disadvantaged" character.
I thought it was because you couldn't give a proper response.My response to him was, because he isn't deserving of a better response.
I think you should care. You are a moderator, after all. Let's show how others are supposed to behave. I've had my bit of share with problems in the past, and I wasn't really all that kind. The people from my room would like me to set an example. You're a moderator. Try to do the same.I don't give a **** if I'm being rude. A lot of honesty could be taken as extremely rude.
Meta Knight is tourney viable. Ness is not, or at least said not to be. That's why I've brought up top-tier and low-tier here. If you have a problem with that, you're more than welcome to leave. Apparently this thread doesn't annoy you enough to drive you away from it. And really, the only reason you were in here was to john for Tyrant. You've johned for him. There's nothing else to be said.People keep bringing up the fact that MK is top tier and Ness is low tier. The thing that pisses me off the most is that their spots in the tier list have absolutely nothing to do with the 2 characters fighting.
HE JOHNS!i recently talked to tyrant. tyrant says fow is good for a ness player, but he was really mad about losing to m2k in winners (he should have won the set, but m2k made a startling comeback and clinched game 2&3) so he was pretty mad about it and had mad johns vs. fow.
he has never played a ness in his life, and being that the current metagame is vs. MK, it isn't surprising that he should lose...
i'm pretty sure he underestimated fow as well, and was taking him lightly.
whatever, in my honest opinion i think it was poor match up experience on tyrant's behalf, but i don't think anyone is seriously contending that ness has the potential to beat MK, so...basically, i wouldn't expect a repeat.
sorry to kill the hype.
On a side note, I'd like to note that Vegas has no Meta Knights not named Eagle, Trendsetter, or SK92.
Yes, but FOW has ran into many Meta Knights. I doubt Tyrant has run into even half that number of Ness's. (M2K may have but even then even he may have not.)
Learn about/get @ the unsung heroes status.Could somebody lock this ****ing topic? The talk about Tyrant not knowing **** about Ness and FOW knowing a lot about MK is becoming a bother. Hell, we can't be happy without other people who don't main MK or Ness getting butt hurt. I mean God forbid someone like lain beat M2K and people got really happy! But when it comes to this kid who deserves this recognition because he's always been good and nobody ever bothered saying anything, it's suddenly a brush off! Good job!
What's done is done. If you don't care about FOW, then get the hell out. And if I get infracted for this, it was well worth it.