Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
since my old thread/ chart is old, outdated and wrong im going to start from scratch with a new thread+better/more organized chart (to be inserted by hilt at some time)
also, if anyone writes good stage summaries/wants to copy the ones from dynne's thread ill put them in this post as well
scale
1: horrible stage for this matchup, always avoid
2: pretty bad but not horrible
3: its an even stage, might be great or bad depending on your play style but nothing inherently bad for olimar here
4: one of olimar's better stages, normally a solid cp
5: great olimar stage, should counterpick this whenever the opportunity presents itself
fino: this stage is RC meaning its fino's favorite stage, unless your fino or his clone please ignore the special number next to it
PIKACHU
chart:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi's Island
Castle Seige
Halberd
Lylat cruise
Pokemon Stadium 1
Brinstar
Delfino
Frigate Orpheon
Jungle Japes
Pictochat
Pirate Ship
Pokemon Stadium 2
Rainbow Cruise
Distant Planet
Green Greens
Luigi's Mansion
Port Town Aero Dive
Yoshi's Island (Pipes)
Norfair
please use the above format when posting
stage summaries:
Yoshi's island (Melee)
Pipes is indeed the best level ever possibly made for olimar.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyyne View Post
I also think that yoshi's (pipes) is a really great olimar level too. I realize that it is often banned, but when it's not, it's amazing I think. It has many characteristics that hugely benefit oli. Some help others too, but I think oli does especially.
1. The middle part that can result in sd's doesn't harm oli too much, because he can tether from almost anywhere down there, and still grab the edge.
2. Both side have slopes. Camping is amazing on these slopes. Oli's pikmin toss while standing on a slope is so hot. It angles perfectly. It's amazing. Oli's grab is also amazing on the slopes.
3. The only section where gimping can occur is on the left side, which can be avoided.
4. The left side isn't even bad for oli. Because it is so close to the blast line, b-throw, d-smash, etc. kill so excellently here. Another thing is that:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stage..._080107a-l.jpg
If you look all the way on the left, you'll see that it is flat, then rises on the left, then declines on the right. Oli can be standing on the flat part or the rising part on the left, and grab people on the declining part on the right. It is amazing.
5. The right side of the stage, again, can be camped amazingly, and oli can get easy b-throw kills since it's a walkoff.
All in all, yoshi's pipes are ridiculously amazing.
dabuz
also, if anyone writes good stage summaries/wants to copy the ones from dynne's thread ill put them in this post as well
scale
1: horrible stage for this matchup, always avoid
2: pretty bad but not horrible
3: its an even stage, might be great or bad depending on your play style but nothing inherently bad for olimar here
4: one of olimar's better stages, normally a solid cp
5: great olimar stage, should counterpick this whenever the opportunity presents itself
fino: this stage is RC meaning its fino's favorite stage, unless your fino or his clone please ignore the special number next to it
PIKACHU
chart:
Code:
Meta Knight Snake Wario Falco Diddy King DeDeDe
Battlefield 4 3 4 4 3 5
Final Destination 4 5 3 2 1 4
Smashville 3 4 4 3 2 3
Yoshi's Island 4 3 4 4 4 3
Castle Seige 3 4 3 4 3 4
Halberd 5 3 4 4 3 3
Lylat cruise 4 3 3 4 3 3
Pokemon Stadium 1 3 3 3 3 3 3
Brinstar 2 3 1 3 2 2
Delfino 3 3 2 4 4 3
Frigate Orpheon 3 4 2 4 3 2
Jungle Japes 1 2 2 1 4 2
Pictochat 2 4 N/A 3 N/A 2
Pirate Ship N/A N/A 1 4 N/A 2
Pokemon Stadium 2 N/A 2 3 2 N/A N/A
Rainbow Cruise 1 3 1 3 3 2
Distant Planet 3 4 4 N/A N/A 3
Green Greens 4 N/A 3 4 N/A N/A
Luigi's Mansion 3 3 5 4 4 4
Port Town Aero Dive N/A N/A 1 2 N/A 1
Yoshi's Island (Pipes) 5 4 4 4 N/A N/A
Norfair 2 2 2 4 3 3
Code:
Marth Mr. Game & Watch Pikachu Ice Climbers R.O.B. Kirby
Battlefield 3 4
Final Destination 4 4
Smashville 4 4
Yoshi's Island 3 4
Castle Seige 2 3
Halberd 5 3
Lylat cruise 3 3
Pokemon Stadium 1 3 4
Brinstar 2 2
Delfino 3 3
Frigate Orpheon 3 3
Jungle Japes 3 2
Pictochat 4 3
Pirate Ship N/A 1
Pokemon Stadium 2 N/A 2
Rainbow Cruise 1 2
Distant Planet N/A 3
Green Greens N/A 3
Luigi's Mansion 5 N/A
Port Town Aero Dive 2 N/A
Yoshi's Island (Pipes) 5 3
Norfair 3 N/A
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi's Island
Castle Seige
Halberd
Lylat cruise
Pokemon Stadium 1
Brinstar
Delfino
Frigate Orpheon
Jungle Japes
Pictochat
Pirate Ship
Pokemon Stadium 2
Rainbow Cruise
Distant Planet
Green Greens
Luigi's Mansion
Port Town Aero Dive
Yoshi's Island (Pipes)
Norfair
please use the above format when posting
stage summaries:
Yoshi's island (Melee)
Pipes is indeed the best level ever possibly made for olimar.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyyne View Post
I also think that yoshi's (pipes) is a really great olimar level too. I realize that it is often banned, but when it's not, it's amazing I think. It has many characteristics that hugely benefit oli. Some help others too, but I think oli does especially.
1. The middle part that can result in sd's doesn't harm oli too much, because he can tether from almost anywhere down there, and still grab the edge.
2. Both side have slopes. Camping is amazing on these slopes. Oli's pikmin toss while standing on a slope is so hot. It angles perfectly. It's amazing. Oli's grab is also amazing on the slopes.
3. The only section where gimping can occur is on the left side, which can be avoided.
4. The left side isn't even bad for oli. Because it is so close to the blast line, b-throw, d-smash, etc. kill so excellently here. Another thing is that:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stage..._080107a-l.jpg
If you look all the way on the left, you'll see that it is flat, then rises on the left, then declines on the right. Oli can be standing on the flat part or the rising part on the left, and grab people on the declining part on the right. It is amazing.
5. The right side of the stage, again, can be camped amazingly, and oli can get easy b-throw kills since it's a walkoff.
All in all, yoshi's pipes are ridiculously amazing.
dabuz