Official BBR Tier List v7

[Chuee]

Empirical evidence (Tournament results) supports -2. As well as theorycrafting.

What tournament evidence?
The few times this MU has happened in tournament, Wolf loses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA3HD0heqUY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKliDHNN9Tk&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZbPlWYm3sc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsdOSR04VRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlyc0oC0qTc&feature=relmfu

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sonic: Forever underrated
Peach: Forever overrated

 

[Seagull Joe]

What tournament evidence?
The few times this MU has happened in tournament, Wolf loses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA3HD0heqUY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKliDHNN9Tk&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZbPlWYm3sc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsdOSR04VRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlyc0oC0qTc&feature=relmfu

The only who has significant experience vs is Kain. I play none loool. Kain has a positive record vs DLA's . I never said doesn't lose, just that he doesn't lose enough to make it the same difficulty as ...

Because she's slow and can't jump high/quickly. That's a pretty good reason.

This statement made me laugh.

Sonic: Forever underrated
Peach: Forever overrated

Agree with , but I think is fine where she currently is on the tier list.

Seagull, re-read my post please. No editing down IIRC, when did I say Wolfika is -3
relax with your freaking emotions, read things clearly before getting ignorantly mad.

TL;DR: All I did was state what the MU chart states, never input my opinion on the issue of the versus matchup.

I don't mean to sound like an *** lol. It's Esam posting influence syndrome. I wasn't mad at all to be honest.

Your post was badly worded.

^

 

[Tesh]

Japan has Sonic in Low Tier. But Pikachu is almost Low Tier over there too and everyone is drooling over Japanese pikachu's lately. Both are below Peach.

On Paper, Peach should work well enough if you have the patience and Sonic really sucks if everyone exercises that same patience.

Both em just come down to working really hard for almost nothing.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Sonic: Forever underrated
Peach: Forever overrated

yea.... yea....

 

[Lukingordex]

Sonic: Forever underrated
Peach: Forever overrated

Maybe.....

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

To be fair though, Wario beating ZSS has not been decided by "a million wario secondaries" ... it was mainly Bassem and Chair [IIRC] who vouched for it to be in Wario's favor and both actually have experience in this match-up. I felt like it were the ZSS players that pushed for it as even but didn't have the same level of experience. Sadly, this match-up isn't played a lot overall though but I hear Seibrik recently beat MacGriddle with Wario. +1 Wario favor doesn't seem as much of a stretch as other things on the chart and I can agree with the sentiments of the Wario players behind it.

im not reading this whole thread, but just to clerify, i did use wario and won. i didn't pick wario cuz its easier than mk, mk was banned (tho at this point with my wario i woulda went wario anyway cuz im maining him)


also the set was EXTREMLY close, i didn't by any means body him, or exploit any gay advantage wario clearly has (that i believe a +1 matchup would incorporate)

in fact, he 3 stocked me one of the games on delfino, and last game went to LAST HIT with 6 seconds left (and neither of us were trying to time each other out, i found out post game how many seconds were left) and i only ended up killing him with f-throw at like 200%.


TOO close

kudos to NickRiddle tho, **** was so hard -.-

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTq5fGcV-Qo&feature=relmfu

Not that SK always made the best decisions but this game pretty much sums up why I don't think Peach is so hot.´

She'd be awesome if all of her worst match-ups weren't such strong common picks.

I've done millions of like... essays on this subject so I don't think I want to type another one about it. Gheb, you wanna do it this time? lol

Slikvik beat NR back at Mlg Dc.

Someone didn't see the revenge set.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ufF26cUN4s&feature=relmfu

I think the match-up is pretty much the definition of 0, any advantages people list for Wario seem flimsy at best

 

[Doc King]

I agree TL should be above Dedede. Dedede should be in borderline tier. He only does ok against a few (Snake Marth and lucario) and really good against a couple (Wario and Wolf), but he has really horrible matchups against some of the most important characters in the game like Climbers. Having a +1 against Climbers is really good actually. Plus Wario is dropping and he's D3's only good top tier matchup.

I usually don't see King Dedede's in tournament vids anymore (as far as I know).

Dedede is hard to play, if you mess up once you can get screwed and you have to predict every move just to get a hit or come even close.

D3 is overrated.

 

[Luigi player]

im not reading this whole thread, but just to clerify, i did use wario and won. i didn't pick wario cuz its easier than mk, mk was banned (tho at this point with my wario i woulda went wario anyway cuz im maining him)


also the set was EXTREMLY close, i didn't by any means body him, or exploit any gay advantage wario clearly has (that i believe a +1 matchup would incorporate)

in fact, he 3 stocked me one of the games on delfino, and last game went to LAST HIT with 6 seconds left (and neither of us were trying to time each other out, i found out post game how many seconds were left) and i only ended up killing him with f-throw at like 200%.


TOO close

kudos to NickRiddle tho, **** was so hard -.-

Were these Wario vs ZSS matches recorded/are they on youtube?

 

[C.J.]

I agree TL should be above Dedede. Dedede should be in borderline tier. He only does ok against a few (Snake Marth and lucario) and really good against a couple (Wario and Wolf), but he has really horrible matchups against some of the most important characters in the game like Climbers. Having a +1 against Climbers is really good actually. Plus Wario is dropping and he's D3's only good top tier matchup.

I usually don't see King Dedede's in tournament vids anymore (as far as I know).

Dedede is hard to play, if you mess up once you can get screwed and you have to predict every move just to get a hit or come even close.

D3 is overrated.

I could have sworn this was Gheb. Right avatar- and it wasn't saying D3 was amazing so it couldn't have been Doc King
WRONG

But yeah, pretty much the only D3s anymore are atomsk and jbandrew vs like.. Snake

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

i dont think the matches got recorded, sorry

next time tho, theres a miami tourny in next week (mk banned again)

 

[NickRiddle]

Were these Wario vs ZSS matches recorded/are they on youtube?

They were on my SD card, but I accidentally wiped them when I installed P:M on it.
We'll probably play next weekend.

 

[infiniteV115]

Thats the reason she isnt high tier, yes.

Then why the **** is DDD high tier XD

 

[Doc King]

I could have sworn this was Gheb. Right avatar- and it wasn't saying D3 was amazing so it couldn't have been Doc King
WRONG

But yeah, pretty much the only D3s anymore are atomsk and jbandrew vs like.. Snake

There's also 4God and that's basically it. Coney doesn't even really play this game anymore.

Dedede is just getting mastered by the minutes and really the chaingrab is just getting old. He clearly has limited options against the important characters and just suffers from lack of speed and the easiness of just camping him.

He's also such a huge target and his recovery sucks so bad. It would make sense for him to be considered a decent character (Borderline Tier) because while he has a good chaingrab, recovery options, range, and power, he has horrendous speed, bad recovery, and being a very huge target. While his strengths are very powerful, so are his weaknesses.

 

[Seagull Joe]

There's also 4God and that's basically it. Coney doesn't even really play this game anymore.

Dedede is just getting mastered by the minutes and really the chaingrab is just getting old. He clearly has limited options against the important characters and just suffers from lack of speed and the easiness of just camping him.

He's also such a huge target and his recovery sucks so bad. It would make sense for him to be considered a decent character (Borderline Tier) because while he has a good chaingrab, recovery options, range, and power, he has horrendous speed, bad recovery, and being a very huge target. While his strengths are very powerful, so are his weaknesses.

Coney went to a tourney a week ago, Apex, the February tourney Lie hosted, and to Xanadu. He's been very active this season compared to most of Md/Va. He's probably the most consistent smasher who attends tourneys lool.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Dedede is not mid tier, wtf @ whoever suggested that before.

He's at worst borderline, but imo there are FAR worse parts of the tier list that need fixing up before him, namely Olimar and Zelda.

 

[infiniteV115]

So you think Zelda should be last? Or above Link?

 

[Lukingordex]

So you think Zelda should be last? Or above Link?

The bottom tier is satisfactory,at least for me...

 

[KuroganeHammer]

No, Zelda should be last. Defs.

 

[Zano]

The only reason zelda isn't last is cause of her down b

 

[Lukingordex]

Considering that all Ganondorf MUs are disadvantageous for him,and he is Zelda´s only advantageous MU,Zelda must be above him lol

 

[KuroganeHammer]

The only reason zelda isn't last is cause of her down b

This is the only thing Zelda has going for her, but it shouldn't be counted obvs because Sheik is already on the tier list.

I assume that your post was a joke post, but I felt the need to clear that up for people like this guy VVVVV

Considering that all Ganondorf MUs are disadvantageous for him,and he is Zelda´s only advantageous MU,Zelda must be above him lol

All of Zelda's MUs are disadvantageous for her. Zelda vs Ganondorf is likely slightly in Ganondorf's favour or even.

Before people start going 'ooooh but thats not what that MU thread says wah wah wah Wario up taunt', here's Fuujin's signature:

 

[Lukingordex]

Before people start going 'ooooh but thats not what that MU thread says wah wah wah Wario up taunt', here's Fuujin's signature:

Now I can disagree with the MU (-1) vs (+1)

 

[C.J.]

Coney went to a tourney a week ago, Apex, the February tourney Lie hosted, and to Xanadu. He's been very active this season compared to most of Md/Va. He's probably the most consistent smasher who attends tourneys lool.

I thought he was going Ness now though.

All of Zelda's MUs are disadvantageous for her. Zelda vs Ganondorf is likely slightly in Ganondorf's favour or even.

Before people start going 'ooooh but thats not what that MU thread says wah wah wah Wario up taunt', here's Fuujin's signature

Evidence would be nice. Ad hominem and appeal to authority (I feel weird for using that phrase in regards to fuujin...) work too I guess.

Now I can disagree with the MU (-1) vs (+1)

Bowser and Lucas are not Zelda

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Basically Zelda is literally just really, really terrible and 3/4 of her MU panel either don't play the game or don't even main Zelda.

It's difficult to explain, but Ganon does everything Zelda can do but better. He tech chases better, he punishes better, he has arguably a better recovery (Doesn't really matter, they both get gimped hard, lolllll), he lives longer and he actually has an aerial game (Zelda doesn't. No, nair is not an aerial game).

Edit: When I say punishes better, I actually meant his punishes are a lot stronger. Zelda's d-smash is a better punish than Ganon's moveset, but it doesn't kill until like, 150% fresh lol.

 

[Luxord]

I don't mean to sound like an *** lol. It's Esam posting influence syndrome. I wasn't mad at all to be honest.

All good, it's on me too when Grim pointed it out. In my head it was pretty obvious I was just trying to reference the chart, my bad.

Kain beat Anther in a set I wanna say? Vengeance or SiiS6? not sure where it was

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Why does everyone think Zelda is so bad.......?

I like Zelda.

 

[Fuujin]

Basically Zelda is literally just really, really terrible and 3/4 of her MU panel either don't play the game or don't even main Zelda.

It's difficult to explain, but Ganon does everything Zelda can do but better. He tech chases better, he punishes better, he has arguably a better recovery (Doesn't really matter, they both get gimped hard, lolllll), he lives longer and he actually has an aerial game (Zelda doesn't. No, nair is not an aerial game).

Edit: When I say punishes better, I actually meant his punishes are a lot stronger. Zelda's d-smash is a better punish than Ganon's moveset, but it doesn't kill until like, 150% fresh lol.

She's also is better and not getting chaingrabbed.

Spoiler

Though she dies like 30% earlier

She can also sorta camp in like 2 match ups.

Why does everyone think Zelda is so bad.......?

I like Zelda.

You still think she's better than Lucas?
Goes even with DK and ROB?

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Haven't said any of that lately lol. I just have trouble believing she's worst.

 

[Fuujin]

The day has come where Ed isn't severely overrating Zelda....

Miracles do happen.

Maybe on the next MU chart 1/3rd of her MU's won't be wrong.






One can hope.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Nope, day still hasn't come. I've just gotten smarter with it because no one listens to me lol. I'll just kinda sit by and watch idlely. she's bad and there's no denying that but not as bad as everyone thinks at all. I won't argue though since everyone's perception is that she's so bad so carry on.

 

[| Big D |]

Scary, I believe you.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

you know a community is wasting it's time when it is arguing about how bad characters are -.-

 

[da K.I.D.]

its been 4 years dude.... i dont know what else youre expecting here...

 

[Alacion]

Scary, I believe you.

What makes you say that? She's completely free for you!

 

[| Big D |]

With Ganon you can just throw out hitboxes cuz he can't really do anything.

Zelda can be played like Olimar and Olimar is kinda good so ya.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Zelda is not the worst character.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Yes she is, she's downright awful.

Remember back in 2008 when she was mid tier?

Good times.