Official Mario Stage Discussion Thread: Stage #14: Jungle Japes

[Matt07]

Hey anyone else have anything to add?

Discussion has been dying on this thread...

 

[Takeshi245]

Lylat Cruise is one of my favorite stages. Background's sweet and the music's good, too. My favorites are:

1. Star Wolf (Not a Wolf fan by the way.)
2. Tunnel Scene from X.
3. Corneria
4. Area 6

Also, I have little discrepancies with the stage layout.

 

[mariofanpm12]

You're sure right Matt07... we need more discussion here.

Hopefully when can get some input not only from the better Marios out there, but the new ones, too.

C'mon people, let's post!

 

[Matt07]

Have people forgetten about this thread ?

I used information out of this thread too come up with the summary, credit goes to the original posters.

Corneria

Pros:
+Low ceiling makes it so much easier for Mario to K.O vertically.
+You can Jab Lock someone into a Wall Infinite.
+Characters can Chain Grab you with the slopes (Well Dedede still can I presume)

Neutrals:
+/- The ships can damage either you or your opponent.
+/-Projectiles get 'screwy' and approaches do too.

Cons:
-Is it harder to K.O with Fsmash on this stage?
-Less platforms and weird slopes on this stage make it harder to deal with projectiles.

I think a 40:60 in opponent's favour.

 

[Fire!]

I think your talking about Corneria, not Lylat Cruise

 

[Matt07]

Uuh woops! Lol, all of us got mixed up, haha.

 

[mariofanpm12]

lulz i guess thats it for lylat, then?

 

[hippiedude92]

I say we go for the metriod stages. Mario does pretty well on those. So Norfair let's?

 

[Matt07]

Yes, let's do Norfair.

Pros;
-Kick *** music.

 

[mariofanpm12]

Norfair it is!

I may as well start by throwing out how muhc those platforms help Mario!

 

[Mario_ 101]

norfair... this stage is my favorite lol.
+gud combos
+ledgecamping is awesomecakes here
+ can recover to one of three platforms
+mario can cape stall through the lava wall
-gimping is harder here

 

[HeroMystic]

Norfair is awesome for Mario.

Platform-dependent, aerial-friendly, and hazards that Mario can capitalize on. Also, ground opponents have a harder time fighting here. Most of all however, this is the #1 Counterpick stage for DeDeDe.

Gimping is of course harder here, but you shouldn't really need to gimp here.

 

[Mario_ 101]

yeah just go for the f or d smash kill here lol the sides have little room.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Norfair really screws over DDD, Diddy, Sonic, and the Ice Climbers. On the flipside, it gives major buffs to tether recovery users like Olimar, Link, Ivysaur, Zero Suit Samus. Ganondorf also does very well on this stage due to being able to Ganoncide you without the suicide part.

All in all, a useful counterpick stage. The layout is also good for fireball camping.

 

[hippiedude92]

+ Alot of cape stall mindgames
+ Alot of cape gliding here <3


+/- Small blast zones
+/- hazards can screw you up or the oppnenet up

 

[Matt07]

This stage sounds really good, maybe I should mix this one up with Rainbow Cruise.

The list as of so far.

Norfair

Pros:
+Grounded opponents have a tougher time fighting here.
+Dedede cannot infinite you due to the stage hazards.
+Mario has better Fireball camping, due to multiple platforms.
+Easier to Cape stall, and Cape glide, useful for mindgames.
+Mario can cape stall through the lava wall. (Woah, I seriously didn't know that!)
+More options to recover, due to the three platforms.
+Platforms help Mario's aerial combo game.

Neutrals:
+/- Small blast zones.
+/- hazards can screw you up or the opponent up.

Cons:
-Harder to 'gimp' on this stage.
-Helps characters with tether recovery like Olimar, Link, Ivysaur, Zero Suit Samus, etc.

 

[Mario_ 101]

cape stall on ledge i should've said instead but yeah. invincibility frames ftw. and lava wall i mean that thing that comes from the back but srsly lets do some testing on norfair lol

 

[SkylerOcon]

Norfair is a **** counterpick for Mario. FLUDD can be used to push opponents into fire, cape can be used to do the same...

We really need to be using this thread a LOT more, guys.

 

[Mario_ 101]

yeah. also mario can like b air foe when they hit the lava that comes from the side and he can b air again its just like a game of ping pong lol. i srsly think this is like mario's best stage. that or its just me xD

 

[vato_break]

harder to gimp.
easier to kill?

 

[Mario_ 101]

heck ya ezier to kill if ur on one of the top platforms

 

[SkylerOcon]

I've noticed a lot of people tend to shield the moment they land and if they think you're going to attack, they'll spot dodge. Try making them land on the top platform and then get in range for a sweetspotted stutter-stepped Fsmash. If your opponent falls for it, they'll spotdodge and allow you to run up and Usmash for the kill.

 

[Mario_ 101]

or u could drop through platform and up air

 

[Matt07]

Wow, this stage seems amazing for Mario, lol. A good stage to take MK on too maybe?

 

[Mario_ 101]

hm idk i think its a gud stage for mk too.

 

[Matt07]

Alright I think we're ready to move on?

I used information out of this thread too come up with the summary, credit goes to the original posters.

Norfair

Pros:
+Grounded opponents have a tougher time fighting here.
+Dedede cannot infinite you due to the stage hazards.
+Mario has better Fireball camping, due to multiple platforms.
+Easier to Cape stall, and Cape glide, useful for mindgames.
+Mario can cape stall through the lava wall. (Woah, I seriously didn't know that!)
+More options to recover, due to the three platforms.
+Platforms help Mario's aerial combo game.
+FLUDD and Cape can be used to push opponents into fire.

Neutrals:
+/- Small blast zones.
+/- hazards can screw you up or the opponent up.

Cons:
-Harder to 'gimp' on this stage.
-Helps characters with tether recovery like Olimar, Link, Ivysaur, Zero Suit Samus, etc.

If I missed anything let me know.

 

[mariofanpm12]

Wow maybe 75:25 in Mario's favor?

 

[Matt07]

Eh...I'd put it 60:40 in Mario's favour just to due to the fact that it's harder to gimp characters on this stage.

By the way Mariofan, Pokemon Stadium 1 is our last stage in the Starter/Counter list that we haven't discussed yet. I think we should go finish that list next. You can check it out on page 7 of this thread.


Anyone else have anything to add?

 

[mariofanpm12]

OK cool, I'll update, then! PK Stadium 1 it is!

 

[hippiedude92]

I believe we should do this stage in seperate sections like a advantage/disadvantage for grass stage, water stage, firestage etc...

I'll start off by that water stage, the windmill is useful for a jab lock.

 

[Matt07]

Water Stage

Neutrals:
+/- Hard to score K.O because of Windmill.
+/- Stops both your's and opponents projectiles.

Cons:
You can easily mis your up B on the stage due to the edges akward edges.

 

[mariofanpm12]

BUMP!!!

Neutral Stage platforms help with aerial game and approaches.

 

[Matt07]

Dang, can't believe no one posts in here, this forum is really good for seeing what stage you'd do better against certain characters.

Uurgh, Mariofan, I don't really have anything else to add, and this stage is uncompleted . I say if it doesn't get too much attention in the next days, we should switch stages and leave that one for discussion later.

But that's entirely up to you.

 

[mariofanpm12]

Alrigth we're moving on to the next stage, we'll come back later.

 

[Matt07]

Bump, anyone have anything to add? I've never really played on these stages but I'll try, to list the pros/cons.

Pros:
+/You can Cape the lasers.

Neutrals:
+/- Helps/breaks Fireball camping because of the slopes.
+/- Very small blast zones.
+/- You or your opponent (depending on their move) can 'stage infinite' you/you can Jab Lock infinite opponent.

Cons:
?

 

[hippiedude92]

Cons

I personally believe infinites here hurt mario than it does advantageous for him.

I think alot of characters do alot better here than mario which can hurt him in a way :/

GaW can bucket the lasers =o

Neutrals

If your gonna camp on the fin, you have to tech 100% like it's melee <3

 

[mariofanpm12]

Cons

I personally believe infinites here hurt mario than it does advantageous for him.

I think alot of characters do alot better here than mario which can hurt him in a way :/

GaW can bucket the lasers =o

Neutrals

If your gonna camp on the fin, you have to tech 100% like it's melee <3

Aah, the words... like it's melee...

Anyways, I think this stage is kinda' neutral for Mario. The slopes kinda help with fireballs, but I dunno. Get caught in an infinite here against a wall, though... err, not good.

 

[hippiedude92]

You lost a stock if you got infinited on the wall lol.

The slopes on the fin give him a aid in SH fireballs but not full hop fireballs because they can run through and expose his blind spot.

I'm leaning neutral as well.

I think +/- is a neutral but, camping on the fin like Dthrow airchasing leads to quick racking up damage is good o.0 idk if its neutral or pro

 

[vadgama]

Pits angel ring infinites nice against the fin. escpecially if ur playing a DDD. XD

...anyways, im leaning towards neutral. No real advantage here for mario.

 

[Matt07]

I used information out of this thread too come up with the summary, credit goes to the original posters.

Corneria

Pros:
+/You can Cape the lasers.
+If your gonna camp on the fin, you have to tech 100%.

Pits angel ring infinites nice against the fin. escpecially if ur playing a DDD.
Neutrals
+/- Helps/breaks Fireball camping because of the slopes.
+/- Very small blast zones.
+/-The slopes on the fin give him a aid in short hop Fireballs but not full hop fireballs because they can run through and expose his blind spot.

Cons:
-Infinites here hurt mario than it does advantageous for him.
-A lot of characters do alot better here than Mario which can hurt him in a way.
-GaW can bucket the lasers (which is like a one hit K.O )

50:50 Overall.

Anyone else have anything to add?