Official Mario Stage Discussion Thread: Stage #14: Jungle Japes

[vadgama]

Heres a little story on corneria. So i was playing this Ike and cornered him against the fin with mario and was comboing the **** out of him and he kept trying to counterattack and it would just make the counteratttack noise and not actually counter XD

 

[mariofanpm12]

Yay we're finally getting some discussion going sorta... are we done here or do we need more for this stage?

 

[vadgama]

Ya id say we move on. GO FOR NEUTRAL

Why dont we disuss stages that are giving us problems instead of discussing all of em?

Or is that what is happening in this thread and im just missing it?

 

[Matt07]

BIG BUMP.

Wow, this almost got lost. I have the summary for Corneria up a few posts, I think we're ready to move on.

 

[mariofanpm12]

what shoudl next stage be?

 

[Matt07]

BUMP.

Someone else pick a stage, everytime I pick one, we get no discussion >.<.

 

[mariofanpm12]

We need a way to get more discussion here for real.

 

[mariofanpm12]

bump... sigh...

 

[vato_break]

jungle japes

 

[Mario_ 101]

yea lets do jungle japes. very unique stage.

 

[zaborg2400]

cood u possibly do 1 4 norfair?

 

[Matador]

Japes...omg.

Ban every time.

 

[Matt07]

Everyone always CP Japes against me. It's not the greatest stage for Mario, it may be good against characters that land verticle K.O's often. You can K.O pretty early horizontally though.

 

[Kanzaki]

If I get CP'd Jungle Japes, I go Fox or Luigi ><

 

[Monk/Honkey/Banana]

....Mario has no advantage on this stage...no vertical kills, very few kills off the right side...if I got CP'd here...I'd just go Snake...

lol

Monk Method of counterpicking

Can I live here?
Can I kill here?
Are there random events that can change a match?
How well do I know the stage as Mario
Will I do better here as Snake?

 

[Fire!]

Can't think of much...Down Smash kills pretty early on this stage if you stand on the left platform. And since the platform is pretty small, it can punish those who like to spam rolling.

I've also landed a couple Uair+Fair kill combos here too. The size of the middle platform is good if you can start a combo there.


I still don't like it though.
Edit: Unless I'm Falco

 

[:mad:]

This is also a good Jiggly stage, so if you don't wanna go Mario, but you like being bold, feel free to use Jiggs.

I found Japes to be a fun stage to abuse capedashing. This really isn't that good for us...

 

[Tektite]

Japes. No gimping in that stage. ****.

 

[Ray/Boshi]

I hate the stage. I'd rather play as a different character. When I am Mario though, I play defensively an campy. More cautious then usual as Other characters can benefit more then me in this stage scenario.

 

[Matt07]

Would this be a good stage against GnW? Considering GnW mostly K.O vertically, you can live a bit longer.

 

[Matador]

And his recovery doesn't really come into play...I still wouldn't take him there though. He still has his Fair, upB out of the water, and ridiculous spacing/pressure game when you're on either the far left or right.

 

[Monk/Honkey/Banana]

I wouldn't take anyone here even if it was the only level left

 

[Kanzaki]

I wouldn't even take Ness here :[

 

[mariofanpm12]

Anyone wanna' sum this one up?

 

[Monk/Honkey/Banana]

don't take people here with Mario?

 

[Spoonbob]

None of that advice is constructive at all. D:<

What if you're a solo Mario and you get counterpicked here? What would you actually DO to fight here. I'm sure there's something.

KEEP FSMASH FRESH FOR SIDE KILLS AT LEAST?

 

[:mad:]

Spoonbob. The best Mario troll.

This really is not a stage you should ever take Mario to.
FLUDD's useless, you can't cape anyone, so it's just there for projectiles.

 

[Punishment Divine]

Ban Japes. or better yet, talk to your local tournament organizer about taking it off the stage list. Most of the intelligent TOs have realized the *********** that is this stage.

Anybody who knows how to SH Dair can pick Flaco and take you here and camp your bawlz off until they spike you into the water. This might be one of Mario's worst.

 

[Spoonbob]

Ban Japes. or better yet, talk to your local tournament organizer about taking it off the stage list. Most of the intelligent TOs have realized the *********** that is this stage.

no don't do this. It's one of Jiggs' best stages. D:

Just...don't go there, I suppose.

 

[:mad:]

We're not talking about Jiggly.
No, really. For Mario, it's a bad stage. You're better off at Frigate, Corneria, or BF.

 

[Spoonbob]

It looks like Japes is done, too. "Don't go there".

What's next?

 

[Matt07]

I took a Falco to Japes before...

Hey, I was gonna lose anyways lol.

 

[Kanzaki]

None of that advice is constructive at all. D:<

What if you're a solo Mario and you get counterpicked here? What would you actually DO to fight here. I'm sure there's something.

KEEP FSMASH FRESH FOR SIDE KILLS AT LEAST?

At a competitive level, almost all low tier mainers have a secondary that's above low tier, to cover their main's weaknesses. For the people like that, such as myself, there's no way we can get stuck with Mario on Jungle Japes without knowing it first.. If I win first round with Mario, and ban some other map, and my opponent picks Jungle Japes, I'm switching to Fox or Jigglypuff :]

 

[Matador]

KEEP FSMASH FRESH FOR SIDE KILLS AT LEAST?

I thought we all did this already? Mario can't kill at ALL with stale smashes.

 

[mariofanpm12]

Well, obviously this place is a bad one... but like I said, can we get a list of pros (if there are any) and cons?

 

[Judge Judy]

Pros:

Platforms

Cons:

Too many to count...

 

[Mario_ 101]

mario can like capeglide across from the bottom central ledges to grab the ledges on the side faster. he can also go under the platforms and get an up air or two in. i mean mario can just go below the stage instead of going above, which is gudz. but yea not too many pros here. o yea also if mario keeps having trouble getting to the stage he could just dive into the water and jump out on the other side (assuming mario is on the right side of the stage). nothing rly major here. just stay to the right side if u want to live lol, and stay to the left if u hope to get a kill against ur foe. all mario has to do on the left side to get a kill is get the foe into the water and keep him away from the stage, which mario is best at.

 

[Fire!]

Pros
-Platforms can combo
-Prevents early vertical KOs
-Strong pressure/spacing game on the sides of the stage
-Early horizontal KOs

Cons
-Lots