Official Q&A Thread

[sMexy-Blu]

Actually, the hardest CG timing is doing the normal CG on Luigi, simply because of how tight your timing has to be. You seriously have to be nearly frame perfect.

No you can chaingrab him with SCG.

Luigi can be chaingrabbed? with SCG? Whats SCG?

 

[DZLE]

Just updated the OP.

Good job guys, keep them coming! Good answers by the way, I havent found anything really to add to the past few questions, you guys pretty much take care of it all

Lets get this stickied!

Dont be afraid to ask us stupid questions!

 

[DZLE]

Luigi can be chaingrabbed? with SCG? Whats SCG?

SCG = Shield Chain Grab or Shield Cancel Grab. It means grabbing them out of your shield. (Shield and hit A)

I never normal chaingrab luigi because for one I thought it was impossible. for two, he can be standing infinite grabbed with reset.

Anyone confirm that he can or can not be normal SCG'd before I add this info to the OP?

EDIT: Er... Epic double post. my bad.

 

[Tero.]

Anyone confirm that he can or can not be normal SCG'd before I add this info to the OP?

Allready confirmed, timing is hard tho.

 

[PinkPwnageFrenzy]

Alright, just adding on to what people have said.

If you want a really good use for Jet Hammer, wait until your opponent HAS to recover on the stage. Hit them in their landing lag for the stock. I usually don't pull the Jet Hammer until my opponent is recovering, in general. About the sliding bit, you can also do it if you just hold towards the direction you want, but very slightly. It's tricky, and it's different for everyone's controller, so just find what works best for you. Otherwise, stick with the tapping really fast.

 

[sMexy-Blu]

Is there any AT thats useful learning for King DeDeDe?!?!

 

[DZLE]

Is there any AT thats useful learning for King DeDeDe?!?!

Other than Chain Grabbing and Infinite Chain Grabbing, D3 doesnt have any AT's that I am aware of. (Hammer slide maybe counts.) Can anyone confirm this as well before I put it up?
And about luigi, your right, timing must be perfec, but he can be SCG'd

Sorry it took me a few days this time, busy with school :D

 

[Hylian]

Enjoy your sticky.

 

[sMexy-Blu]

Enjoy your sticky.

Thanks Hylian.

 

[DZLE]

Enjoy your sticky.

Thanks much Hylian, now we can get more Q's and more awesome A's!!!

 

[Gates]

Other than Chain Grabbing and Infinite Chain Grabbing, D3 doesnt have any AT's that I am aware of. (Hammer slide maybe counts.) Can anyone confirm this as well before I put it up?

Jet Hammer sliding is really impractical and not worth learning.

 

[PinkPwnageFrenzy]

Is there any AT thats useful learning for King DeDeDe?!?!

Pivoting, if you consider that advanced.

 

[sMexy-Blu]

Sooo... DeDeDe has no AT's...
That ain't fun...

 

[DZLE]

Sooo... DeDeDe has no AT's...
That ain't fun...

D3 Needs to AT's, if at this point we found any incredibly useful AT's for him he would probably be god tier along with MK. Well... probably not but he is amazing without them.
Giant Penguin. Giant Hammer.

 

[Gates]

Sooo... DeDeDe has no AT's...
That ain't fun...

NO U!

10nous

 

[Badjuju]

Against dumb characters that are hard to gimp like G&W, how should you edge guard? Say if they're coming back at an 8 o' clock position from the left side of the stage, would it be better to inhale at the ledge (hoping for the weird stage spike that could happen), jump off stage and dair, or run off the stage and bair when they're about to grab the edge?

 

[Tero.]

lol at edgeguarding G&W

=)

 

[Chileno4Live]

IS there any possibility that Wolf or DK can be a good Secondary for DDD?

 

[CRASHiC]

Jet Hammer sliding is really impractical and not worth learning.

At 1:10 he gets a jet hammer slide kill

What I want to know, is in one video, a dededee lingers in the air after canceling his UpB, what sort of DI is he doing to do this?

 

[WingedKnight]

Hooray for the sticky! Awesome!

 

[B0mbe1c]

IS there any possibility that Wolf or DK can be a good Secondary for DDD?

I doubt it. DK is big and gets stringed pretty easily, and Wolf is a FFer, so he can be CGed by others, and his recovery sucks.
But if you want, you can.

 

[Gates]

Against dumb characters that are hard to gimp like G&W, how should you edge guard? Say if they're coming back at an 8 o' clock position from the left side of the stage, would it be better to inhale at the ledge (hoping for the weird stage spike that could happen), jump off stage and dair, or run off the stage and bair when they're about to grab the edge?

I like the "ledgecamping with bairs" approach, but it's really only best at midrange. If your opponent is far away, going for a WoP is better. If your opponent is right next to the stage, ftilts, dtilts, and inhale would probably be better options.

But honestly, you should be trying to kill G&W off the top, not gimp him.

IS there any possibility that Wolf or DK can be a good Secondary for DDD?

Here's the short version:
DK is a good sub if you see a ton of Metaknights.
Wolf is a good sub if you don't see any Metaknights.

At 1:10 he gets a jet hammer slide kill

Hmm, I guess he does. But he could have just as easily walked over and released the Jet Hammer.

 

[WingedKnight]

Gates speaks the truth. Murder Mr. 2D off the top. He is tricky to gimp, and his light weight makes him easier to knockout vertical. Just watch out for the Key DAir and hit him with a UTilt!

 

[Chileno4Live]

Then what could be a good Secondary. I want to play characters that are fun to play like D3. I like to play with DK, Yoshi, Wolf, TL and Ness. Yoshi is the most fun of them all though. Would be awesome if i could secondary him. He's a good MK counter afterall...

 

[sMexy-Blu]

Then what could be a good Secondary. I want to play characters that are fun to play like D3. I like to play with DK, Yoshi, Wolf, TL and Ness. Yoshi is the most fun of them all though. Would be awesome if i could secondary him. He's a good MK counter afterall...

Best secondaries for DeDeDe IMO are Falco & Rob.

I use Diddy as my secondary, hes really good and bananas counters everyone.

 

[Gates]

Game & Watch is also a good secondary for Dedede if you can get used to how vastly different their playstyles are.

If you like playing Yoshi, you could go with him. He's about even with most of Dedede's bad matchups, the only exceptions being Falco and G&W.

 

[qwertyman]

+vote Game and Watch

 

[Tero.]

Then what could be a good Secondary. I want to play characters that are fun to play like D3. I like to play with DK, Yoshi, Wolf, TL and Ness. Yoshi is the most fun of them all though. Would be awesome if i could secondary him. He's a good MK counter afterall...

Play whoever you want if you want to have fun.
Play G&W if you're searching for somebody to cover D3's bad match-ups.
Play MK/Snake if you want to hear people john about broken characters.

 

[sMexy-Blu]

I've been testing how to get a lagless Dair lately but I couldn't find a way, till today if you do a Full Hopped Dair and you Airdodge just after you did you'll get a lagless landing.

It looks like if you just L-Canceled the friggin' Aerial just like Melee. XDD
The timings a little hard to master but its totally worth it.

 

[RATED]

in my opinion the best secondarie for DDD mainers is MR. game andwatch..

my secondaries are:

Snake , GaW and MK( he was my main before I used ddd for first time) I used it a lot in tourneys so no one can john about if I use it . but it is so rare if I use it in a tourney now.

 

[DZLE]

Updated the OP, If I left anything out pm me :D
Great questions, great answers!

 

[qwertyman]

sMexy-Blu: There's a better way... Or rather, a different way.

I don't know what they call it, but basically it's a double short hop. You short hop, then immediately use an aerial jump, and use Down air immediately after the second jump. It's completely lagless, and hits a crouching kirby, if I'm not mistaken.
With perfect timing, you can do alot of fun stuff in the air with Dedede.
In a few weeks, I plan to make an instructional video on the subtleties in Dedede's game. All of the different lagless aerials will be included in that, if you want to see.

 

[sMexy-Blu]

There's a better way... Or rather, a different way.
I don't know what they call it, but basically it's a double short hop. You short hop, then immediately use an aerial jump, and use Down air immediately after the second jump. It's completely lagless, and hits a crouching kirby, if I'm not mistaken.
With perfect timing, you can do alot of fun stuff in the air with Dedede.

Its better with airdodging IMO, the timing is too hard to do it that way.

I plan to make an instructional video on the subtleties in Dedede's game. All of the different lagless aerials will be included in that, if you want to see.

Epic win tell me when you do it I'd be happy to see it.

 

[Chileno4Live]

That would be great video. I hope people find a way to get a good Lagless Dair. I use it in a Full hop now, it connects to characters like marth and Cpt Falcon.

 

[sMexy-Blu]

@Chileno4Live

I've been testing how to get a lagless Dair lately but I couldn't find a way, till today if you do a Full Hopped Dair and you Airdodge just after you did you'll get a lagless landing.

It looks like if you just L-Canceled the friggin' Aerial just like Melee. XDD
The timings a little hard to master but its totally worth it.

cwutididthar?

 

[Smudge]

What's the Infinite Ledge Chaingrab (did I get that right?)

 

[sMexy-Blu]

What's the Infinite Ledge Chaingrab (did I get that right?)

Its the same as the Standing Infinite except its on the ledge I think this is a little bit harder to pull off though lulz

 

[Chileno4Live]

Are there any vids of that technique? Sounds like an useful technique. Is it banned on tournaments aswell?

 

[sMexy-Blu]

Are there any vids of that technique? Sounds like an useful technique. Is it banned on tournaments aswell?

He does it at 2:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWN0JvrwYdo

 

[DZLE]

What's the Infinite Ledge Chaingrab (did I get that right?)

Bare in mind this can ONLY be done on another King Dedede.
Maybe it can be done on those he already can standing infinite, but there would be no point to that since you can just do the infinite anywhere.