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A1lion835

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I am angry. Angry that events have transpired that lead me to write this statement. Perhaps before going on, I should describe Dixie Kong to you. Dixie is hidebound, primitive, and longiloquent. Furthermore, she yearns to deny citizens the ability to draw their own conclusions about the potential for violence that she may be generating.

I would like to give you an example of how choleric Dixie can be. Dixie has admitted that she intends to construct the spectre of a terrible armed threat. Okay, that may have been a particularly bald-faced and unsubtle example but Dixie thinks we want her to transmogrify society's petty gripes and irrational fears into "issues" to be catered to. Excuse me, but maybe I've managed to come up with a way in which her essays could be made useful. Dixie's essays could be used by the instructors of college courses as a final examination of sorts. Any student who can't find at least 20 errors of fact or fatuous statement automatically flunks. Extra credit goes to students who realize that it would be great if we could clarify and correct some of the inaccuracies present in Dixie's comments. Still, if we take a step, just a step, towards addressing the issue of revisionism, then maybe we can open people's eyes (including our own) to a vision of how to tear down Dixie's fortress of pharisaism.

What I call rude, froward wimps differ from each other only in the degree to which they defy the law of the land. Don't make the mistake of thinking otherwise. Dixie does, and that's why this is not the first time I've wanted to take steps toward creating an inclusive society free of attitudinal barriers. But it is the first time I realized that there is only one way to stop her from challenging all I stand for. We must make out of fools, wise people; out of fanatics, men of sense; out of idlers, workers; out of repulsive sewer rats, people who are willing to help others to see through the empty and meaningless statements uttered by Dixie and her idolators. Then together we can build a true community of spirit and purpose based on mutual respect and caring. Together we can show the world that some people think I'm exaggerating when I say that there is a tortured quality to Dixie's reasoning, a careful avoidance of obvious conclusions, and a painstaking circumnavigation of embarrassing facts. But I'm not exaggerating; if anything, I'm understating the situation.

I can reword my point as follows. It's time for Dixie to face the music. She is terrified that there might be an absolute reality outside herself, a reality that is what it is, regardless of her wishes, theories, hopes, daydreams, or decrees.

Dixie is unable to support her assertions with documentation of any sort. That conclusion is not based on some sort of fastidious philosophy or on Dixie-style mental masturbation, but on widely known and proven principles of science. These principles explain that nugatory reavers represent one of the most biggety wings of infernal unilateralism you can possibly find. Now, that last statement is a bit of an oversimplification, an overgeneralization. But it is nevertheless substantially true. Will I allow her to procure explosive devices, gasoline, and detonators for use in an upcoming campaign of terror? As long as there is breath in my earthly body, I assure you I will not. What I will do, however, is inform as many people as possible that Dixie ignores the most basic ground rule of debate. In case you're not familiar with it, that rule is: attack the idea, not the person.

Having studied Dixie's charges and finding them groundless, I must now tell the world that her accusations just don't stand up. This is equivalent to saying that I can guarantee the readers of this letter that she writes a lot of long statements that mean practically nothing. What's sneaky is that Dixie constructs those statements in such a way that it never occurs to her readers to analyze them. Analysis would almost certainly indicate that Dixie is trying hard to convince a substantial number of gormless vagrants to utilize legal, above-ground organizing in combination with illegal, underground tactics to put imprudent pop psychologists on the federal payroll. She presumably believes that the "hundredth-monkey phenomenon" will spontaneously incite crapulous busybodies to behave likewise. The reality, however, is that every time Dixie utters or writes a statement that supports cronyism -- even indirectly -- it sends a message that dim-witted, avaricious delinquents make the best scout leaders and schoolteachers. I, not being one of the many conniving egotists of this world, surely suspect that we mustn't let her make such statements, partly because each day, I see the world becoming more execrable as a determined Dixie carries out her pretentious plans, but primarily because Dixie talks a lot about interventionism and how wonderful it is. However, she's never actually defined what it means. How can she argue for something she's never defined? To answer that question, we need first to consider Dixie's thought process, which generally takes the following form: (1) Honesty and responsibility have no cash value and are therefore worthless, so (2) she can achieve her goals by friendly and moral conduct. Therefore, (3) conformism is a viable and vital objective for our nation's educational institutions and thus, (4) it is not only acceptable but indeed desirable to cast the world into nuclear holocaust. As you can see, Dixie's reasoning makes no sense, which leads me to believe that there is one crucial fact that we must not overlook if we are to perceive our current situation as it is, rather than in the anamorphosis of some "ideology" such as mandarinism or totalitarianism. Specifically, Dixie takes things out of context, twists them around, and then neglects to provide decent referencing so the reader can check up on her. She also ignores all of the evidence that doesn't support (or in many cases directly contradicts) her position.

Sadly, in once sense, Dixie is correct. If we let her squeeze every last drop of blood from our overworked, overtaxed bodies, then I will clearly be forced to run for cover. The really interesting thing about all this is not that she is a woman of questionable moral character. The interesting thing is that I recently checked out one of her recent tracts. Oh, look; Dixie's again saying that public opinion is a reliable indicator of what's true and what isn't. Raise your hand if you're surprised. Seriously, though, Dixie's op-ed pieces are colonialism at its worst. An obvious parallel from a slightly different context is that she used twisted and self-contradictory logic to arrive at her conclusion that everyone with a different set of beliefs from hers is going to get a one-way ticket to Hell. The mere mention of that fact guarantees that this letter will never get published in any mass-circulation periodical that Dixie has any control over. But that's inconsequential because Dixie's hagiographic adoration of absolutism is sincerely sickening. And that's why I'm writing this letter; this is my manifesto, if you will, on how to punish her for her purblind bromides. There's no way I can do that alone, and there's no way I can do it without first stating that there's no shortage of sin in the world today. It's been around since the Garden of Eden and will doubtlessly persist as long as Dixie continues to display an irreconcilable hatred toward all nations.

Just to add a little more perspective, if Dixie's outbursts were intended as a joke, Dixie forgot to include the punchline. For future reference, it's possible that she is living in a dream world. However, I cannot speculate about that possibility here because I need to devote more space to a description of how Dixie just reported that my bitterness at her is merely the latent projection of libidinal energy stemming from self-induced anguish. Do you think that that's merely sloppy reporting on Dixie's part? I don't. I, for one, think that it's a deliberate attempt to take advantage of human fallibility to teach gloomy concepts to children.

Once one begins thinking about free speech, about clueless braggadocios who use ostracism and public opinion to prevent the airing of views contrary to their own complacent beliefs, one realizes that I fully intend to do something about the continuing -- make that the escalating -- effort on Dixie's part to work both sides of the political fence. That's the path that I have chosen. It's unquestionably not an easy path but then again, Dixie has written more than her fair share of lengthy, over-worded, pseudo-intellectual tripe. In all such instances she conveniently overlooks the fact that I find that some of her choices of words in her flimflams would not have been mine. For example, I would have substituted "abusive" for "microcrystallography" and "appalling" for "antitintinnabularian."

Dixie's disquisitions are written in a peculiar doublespeak that is hard for the uninitiated to understand. But let's not lose sight of the larger, more important issue here: Dixie's lecherous canards. Dixie has been fairly successful in her efforts to manufacture and compile daunting lists of imaginary transgressions committed against her. That just goes to show what can be done with a little greed, a complete lack of scruples, and the help of a bunch of the most pudibund menaces you'll ever see. While this letter hasn't provided anything in the way of a concrete plan of action, it may help us focus our thinking a little better when we do work out a plan. For now, we must fight for what is right. I will obviously be happy to have your help in this endeavor.
That's nothing.

May I be cynical for a bit? I hope you don't mind, but with Dixie Kong's latest barrage of quarrelsome slogans, I can't resist the urge to make a few cynical comments. Please note that many of the conclusions I'm about to draw are based on cogent and virtually incontrovertible evidence provided by a set of people who have suffered immensely on account of Dixie. She insists that we should avoid personal responsibility. In the long run, however, she's only fooling herself. Dixie would be better off if she just admitted to herself that she keeps saying that taxpayers are a magic purse that never runs out of gold. For some reason, Dixie's cronies actually believe this nonsense.

Dixie is stepping over the line when she attempts to make a mockery of the term "superincomprehensibleness" -- way over the line. For heaven's sake, it would be great if we could complain about complacent barbarians. Still, if we take a step, just a step, towards addressing the issue of revanchism, then maybe we can open people's eyes (including our own) to a vision of how to shout back at Dixie's propaganda. At no time in the past did deceitful, voluble dopeheads shamble through the streets of cities, demanding rights they imagine some supernatural power has bestowed upon them. Dixie obviously didn't have to pass an intelligence test to get to where she is today because her knowledge of how things work is completely off the mark. First of all, the baneful nature of her rodomontades is not just a rumor. It is a fact to which I can testify. Who else but Dixie would have the brass to manipulate the unseen mechanisms of society so as to remake the world to suit her own temperamental needs? No one. And where does that brass come from? It comes from a sure knowledge that she can retreat into her "victim" status if anyone calls her to account.

While Dixie puts on a good dog-and-pony show, throughout history, there has been a clash between those who wish to act against injustice, whether it concerns drunk driving, domestic violence, or even boosterism, and those who wish to silence anyone whom Dixie considers repugnant. Naturally, Dixie belongs to the latter category. One indication of this is the fact that we can never return to the past. And if we are ever to move forward to the future, we have to overcome the obstacles that people like her establish. Everything Dixie writes is littered with spelling errors, grammatical mistakes, missing punctuation, irregular capitalization, false statements, and incoherent thoughts and sentences. But it doesn't stop there. Why she would even pretend that the Earth is flat is beyond me.

Dixie likes remonstrations that promote an indelicate cynicism. Could there be a conflict of interest there? If you were to ask me, I'd say that her ignorant attempts to debunk myths often lead to the perpetuation of them. That's just a fancy way of saying that Dixie's standard operating procedure is to present a false image to the world by hiding unpleasant but vitally important realities about her squibs. Now, that last statement is a bit of an oversimplification, an overgeneralization. But it is nevertheless substantially true. Dixie attracts power-hungry caitiffs to her flock by telling them that the purpose of life is self-gratification. I suppose the people to whom she tells such things just want to believe lies that make them feel intellectually and spiritually superior to others. Whether or not that's the case, poison is countered only by an antidote. That's the sort of statement that some people think is inconsiderate but which I believe is merely a statement of fact. And it's a statement that needs to be made because while Dixie insists that the majority of prolix blatherskites are heroes, if not saints, reality dictates otherwise. Actually, if you want a real dose of reality, look at how Dixie will do everything in her power to pose a threat to the survival of democracy. No wonder corruption is endemic to our society; Dixie's brain is a repository of useless up-to-the-minute ephemera. An obvious parallel from a different context is that she has never been a big fan of freedom of speech. Dixie supports pogroms on speech, thought, academic license, scientific perspective, journalistic integrity, and any other form of expression that gives people the freedom to state that Dixie just keeps on saying, "I don't give a [expletive deleted] about you. I just want to create anomie."

Dixie's fairy tales are bad not only for the immortal soul but also for mortal men and women. Now take that to the next level: Dixie has long served as a cheerleader for demagogism. I've said that before and I've said it often, but perhaps I haven't been concrete enough or specific enough, so now I'll try to remedy those shortcomings. I'll try to be a lot more specific and concrete when I explain that Dixie argues that I am feebleminded for wanting to help people see her censorious, paltry pleas for what they are. I should point out that this is almost the same argument that was made against Copernicus and Galileo almost half a millennium ago.

Like I said, whenever Dixie is blamed for conspiring to destroy that which is the envy of -- and model for -- the entire civilized world, she blames her peons. Doing so reinforces their passivity and obedience and increases their guilt, shame, terror, and conformity, thereby making them far more willing to help Dixie meddle in everyone else's affairs. When it comes to her jibes, I maintain that we have drifted along for too long in a state of blissful denial and outright complacency. It's time to examine the social and cultural conditions that lead Dixie to redefine unbridled self-indulgence as a virtue, as the ultimate test of personal freedom. The sooner we do that the better because Dixie wants to manipulate the public like a puppet dangling from strings. Personally, I don't want that. Personally, I prefer freedom. If you also prefer freedom then you should be working with me to shine a light on her efforts to give an air of scientific impartiality to biased judgments.

I and Dixie part company when it comes to the issue of credentialism. She feels that profits come before people while I claim that my conscience compels me to embrace diversity. That said, let me continue.

"What's that?", I hear you ask. "Is it true that the quest to understand how Dixie can be so horny raises far more questions than it answers?" Why, yes, it is. Her imprecations are not witty satire, as Dixie would have you believe. They're simply the crazy, crude ramblings of someone who has no idea or appreciation of what she's mocking. Before explaining why flagitious, saturnine sots cause insurmountable trouble for us, I must first address the real issues faced by mankind. She wants you to believe that she's the best thing to come along since the invention of sliced bread. You should be wary of such claims. Be aware! Be skeptical! Think! Do not be diverted, deceived, or mesmerized by Dixie's ugly maneuvers.

I'm not writing this letter for your entertainment. I'm not even writing it for your education. I'm writing it for our very survival. If Dixie's refrains aren't hypocritical, I don't know what is.

I overheard one of Dixie's assistants say, "The Eleventh Commandment is, 'Thou shalt treat anyone who doesn't agree with Dixie to a torrent of vitriol and vilification'." This quotation demonstrates the power of language as it epitomizes the "us/them" dichotomy within hegemonic discourse. As for me, I prefer to use language to bring Dixie down a peg. And now, to end with a clever bit of doggerel: United we stand. Divided we fall. Dixie Kong's lackluster statements will destroy us all.
 

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My top 5:

1. Krystal
2. Shadow the Hedgehog
3. Amaterasu (Okami)
4. Kalas (Baten Kaitos)
5. Sagi (Baten Kaitos Origins)

I think the name for SSB4 should be Super Smash Bros. War.
 

Supersmasher10310

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I would love to see Banjo Kazowie get into the next game. I think he would be a huge hit. Im talking top tier............Stupid Rare Era, ruining our Dreams. Imagine having a Character like Glover in the game. That would be something.
 

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So, who thinks Warlord's getting infracted for that?

And now A1lion. XD
What exactly are they talking about? Something about Dixie Kong from what I can tell.

I would love to see Banjo Kazowie get into the next game. I think he would be a huge hit. Im talking top tier............Stupid Rare Era, ruining our Dreams. Imagine having a Character like Glover in the game. That would be something.
Woah....Glover...that's like my childhood flashing back in an instant..

BTW, 10BanjoKazowie...it's spelled Banjo-Kazooie.


 

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Glover?

Who?
Glover was an old game for the Nintendo 64 made by THQ. You play as this glove named...Glover, who must find 6 (?) crystal shards to restore order to the small land and un-petrify the scientist whom you were created from. It's a very trippy game, check it out sometime.

 

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Since my thread was moved off the Brawl General board for not being relevant here (*cough* BS *cough*), I thought I make mention of it here for posterity stake.

There's a newly unveiled Wii TMNT fighting game developed by Brawl and ex-Team Ninja staff in the vein of Brawl (not unlike what Jump Superstars was to Melee). Lots more details here:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=210078


If Game Arts in full is behind this, we probably won't be seeing SSB4 for quite some time. But it'd be the next place to get our Smash fix, so to speak.
 

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Glover was an old game for the Nintendo 64 made by THQ. You play as this glove named...Glover, who must find 6 (?) crystal shards to restore order to the small land and un-petrify the scientist whom you were created from. It's a very trippy game, check it out sometime.

GLOVER OMG

I loved that game so much. Too bad I never got the little memory card thing and really could only go to that one Roman lever. :p
 

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I never played Glover, I had a video demo thing, but I never had the game.
It looked quite fun.

Talking about old games, who remembers Bugs and Taz Time Busters :laugh:?
 

HolyMoses

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the way i see ssb4 going(all hopes aside)

k.rool will be in
bowser jr. will be in
krystal will be in
isaac will probably be in


ridley wont be in. sakurai showed in SSE that ridley is just too big and powerful he may put sylux and/or dark samus in to compensate.

geno might be in but its hard to tell if he was a now or never sort of character in brawl.

a new 3rd party character will probably be megaman

as for a name im thinking along the lines of riot but that might sound too harsh

its release date: way too far away
 

SmashBrosMike

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the way i see ssb4 going(all hopes aside)

k.rool will be in
bowser jr. will be in
krystal will be in
isaac will probably be in


ridley wont be in. sakurai showed in SSE that ridley is just too big and powerful he may put sylux and/or dark samus in to compensate.

geno might be in but its hard to tell if he was a now or never sort of character in brawl.

a new 3rd party character will probably be megaman

as for a name im thinking along the lines of riot but that might sound too harsh

its release date: way too far away
Yes agreed, and for Ridleu who cares about size. It is in many games and does not matter. So there.
 

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Why wouldn't you want a story mode in a game full of chracters? The SSE was not too good because of the plot, Kirby chracters was the most important in the SSE, and not enough Nintendo foes in the SSE. I know characters make the world go round but at least know why we should still have story mode in Smash. Not everyone want's to play Vs. mode all the time.
-_-;

Sonic started going downhill when they put lots of emphasis on the plot. Not every game needs a story with cutscenes. And like somebody else said, there are already more single player modes that took much less time to make and are way funner like Classic, All-Star, and Multi-Man Brawl.

I'd rather have more characters than a story mode. Even Wolf was a better addition than the SSE.
 

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the way i see ssb4 going(all hopes aside)

k.rool will be in
bowser jr. will be in
krystal will be in
isaac will probably be in


ridley wont be in. sakurai showed in SSE that ridley is just too big and powerful he may put sylux and/or dark samus in to compensate.

geno might be in but its hard to tell if he was a now or never sort of character in brawl.

a new 3rd party character will probably be megaman

as for a name im thinking along the lines of riot but that might sound too harsh

its release date: way too far away
I don't see Megaman coming at all.
Ridley used to be Samus' size, remember that :p
 

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Ridley's size really goes all over the place. Originally he was indeed Samus's height. He's also been a managable size back in Melee's intro. The too big argument really is a steaming pile of fresh manure, especially when you try to say that Sylux of all people is better suited for the Metroid spot.
 

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Well my hopes for the next games is

Something better than a smash ball that's tournament legal
Better Wi-Fi
More non nintendo characters ex. Megaman, Zero ,Sora, Riku, more Sonic characters espiclally it's newest charcter (werehog)
a bigger roster
Mii character playable
MK isn't unbeatable
Better attacks and increased power in attacks
More tournament legal stages
More F-zero and Metriod characters
No more gimmicks or stratageies just some of the stuff I posted at the top
 

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Well my hopes for the next games is

Something better than a smash ball that's tournament legal
Better Wi-Fi
More non nintendo characters ex. Megaman, Zero ,Sora, Riku, more Sonic characters espiclally it's newest charcter (werehog)
a bigger roster
Mii character playable
MK isn't unbeatable
Better attacks and increased power in attacks
More tournament legal stages
More F-zero and Metriod characters
No more gimmicks or stratageies just some of the stuff I posted at the top
More Sonic characters is almost inevitable. The way people like pit glide is made for Knuckles. Although his climbing ability may make him difficult to kill. I am begging them not to add Shadow. If they do then hopefully he won't be a completely clone.
 

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More Sonic characters probably isn't as likely as you think, Spam_arrows. (I'm gonna shorten your name if you frequent this thread enough, and it's probably gonna end up being "Spam.")

Since Sonic is a third party addition, it's quite possible that Ninty will see fit to only add him from his franchise. Same goes for Snake, and also (assuming he's added in SSB4) Mega Man.
 

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Sonic needs light speed attack thing, his barrier for his n-air, and one of those console box things for an item.

If they need a new character it should be Dr. Robotnik.
 

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Well my hopes for the next games is

Something better than a smash ball that's tournament legal
Better Wi-Fi
More non nintendo characters ex. Megaman, Zero ,Sora, Riku, more Sonic characters espiclally it's newest charcter (werehog)
a bigger roster
Mii character playable
MK isn't unbeatable
Better attacks and increased power in attacks
More tournament legal stages
More F-zero and Metriod characters
No more gimmicks or stratageies just some of the stuff I posted at the top
How about advanced techniques -__-
 

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More Sonic characters probably isn't as likely as you think, Spam_arrows. (I'm gonna shorten your name if you frequent this thread enough, and it's probably gonna end up being "Spam.")

Since Sonic is a third party addition, it's quite possible that Ninty will see fit to only add him from his franchise. Same goes for Snake, and also (assuming he's added in SSB4) Mega Man.
good points....I honestly didn't consider that but the way I see it if they can add in diddy and ness then they could add another sonic character.
 

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Diddy and Ness are first party. I don't see your logic there.
Typo. I ment Lucas. I am not thinking in terms of parties anyway. Lets call it company. In the Newest games Characters that where alone got company. Donkey got diddy and Kirby got Meta Knight and DDD this time. Link got Zelda in Melee. Based on that pattern I see Sonic, Snake, or C.Falcon Getting an additional Character.
 

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I love all these ideas... I honestly do.

Sad reality is... this business is not about making good games, it's about making money. I can only assume more so in the next 4 years.

Brawl is a perfect example for some... Everyone's going to by the game regardless of how good it ends up being. I'd imagine they'd take the current sales of Brawl, and consider them guaranteed sales. They don't need to market the game to us, they'd market it towards new players, to get them into the franchise.




It's 6 o'clock in the morning over here. I'm not saying that as a complete excuse, I'll also add how little I think about things when I post them (especially at 6 o'clock in the morning). Please feel free to comment on this in a constructive manner. (if you flame me, me and everyone else on this board will think you're an absolute tool... but I'm not sure about this either :dizzy: )
 

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Well Sonic and Snake aren't Nintendo franchise, so I don't really see that possible. Captain Falcon is from F-Zero, which is. So maybe. And as for Ness and Lucas, they are both from Mother (Earthbound) which is once again Nintendo franchise.
 

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The business is about making good games, it's just that certain people don't care about what the finished product is. They get payed to make good games, it's just that sometimes they can be lazy in doing so.

The only games I think are made for money are ones that are rushed out in time for Christmas without being tested, and in some cases- unplayable.
 

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Plus, if a particular company fails to make an engaging, enjoyable game, it can hurt their reputation (or the game's reputation if they are hoping to make sequels). Nintendo didn't make Brawl solely to please the Smash Bros. addicts, but to make a game that will appeal to the largest base possible. Their goal is to not only please fans of the series, but to bring in new fans. But if these new fans aren't pleased, they aren't going to put down money for the sequel. Nintendo walks especially thin ice when they market aggressively towards the casual crowd, because they're not as familiar with games in general. It's actually MORE important for Nintendo to make quality games so that casual consumers will want to continue purchasing Nintendo merchandise.
 

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If there was to be a new Sonic Character added, I would say they should throw in Shadow or Knuckles. They are both the two most popular characters after Sonic. As for another Metal Gear character I would say the Grey Fox. Just my opinion. He was a assist trophey in this game. (off topic) Imagine how cool it would be to see Glover in the next SSB.
 

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why does everybody say that, "after sonic, shadow and knuckles are the most likely to get in" not really, tails has been around since the beginning, eggman as well, and everyone ignores amy, at best shadow is an alt costume for sonic...he def should not be his own character.
 
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