[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Shoshidai]

first priority is taking out tripping

second, wider selection on custom stages

third, if they have custom stages, they should have custom music

fourth, something more powerful than the smash ball

fifth, they included melee stages, so they should include SSB64 stages

 

[n88]

fourth, something more powerful than the smash ball

Why would we want that? The smash ball is powerful enough. (Unless DK gets it)

 

[drag0nscythe]

first priority is taking out tripping

second, wider selection on custom stages

third, if they have custom stages, they should have custom music

fourth, something more powerful than the smash ball

fifth, they included melee stages, so they should include SSB64 stages

your first is wrong.

first, remove random tripping. Make it so tripping only occurs when characters change direction way to fast, people short hop to much and with too much wave dashing.

 

[Wizzerd]

your first is wrong.

first, remove random tripping. Make it so tripping only occurs when characters change direction way to fast, people short hop to much and with too much wave dashing.

I agree, RANDOM tripping is bad but it's fine when used on ice, Flat Zone oil slick etc. Although I don't think there would be tripping if you wavedash too much, considering that wavedashing is a glitch/exploitation anyways and it wasn't intended to programmed.

 

[sundayseclipse]

eh tripping,it well forever haunt brawl
todays last day of E3, lets cross our fingers

 

[SmashChu]

On Krystal:
People tend to forget that the number of characters par franchise does not reflect it's success or need. Mother has far too many despite being a niche franchise. Donkey Kong has extremely few (Diddy came only recently) and F-Zero and Metroid still lack a second character. The characters are based on popularity. We get more Starfox and Mother characters because of these fanbases push for them. Krystal is very possible in the next game if she remains popular.

On SSB4
You all know Sakurai is making Project Sora yes? It will come out probably early 2011, so don't expect another Smash for some time.

 

[drag0nscythe]

On Krystal:
People tend to forget that the number of characters par franchise does not reflect it's success or need. Mother has far too many despite being a niche franchise. Donkey Kong has extremely few (Diddy came only recently) and F-Zero and Metroid still lack a second character. The characters are based on popularity. We get more Starfox and Mother characters because of these fanbases push for them. Krystal is very possible in the next game if she remains popular.

On SSB4
You all know Sakurai is making Project Sora yes? It will come out probably early 2011, so don't expect another Smash for some time.

Well, nothing is saying Sakurai has to make the next smash. Metal Gear Raiden does not have Kojima on board.

That being said, they would never do one without him. Looks like the next smash will be on the next Nintendo platform again.

 

[ieyasu tokugawa]

i think the next game should crossover with Capcom.

*=must be unlocked

Roster:

Nintendo:

Mario Bros.:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr.*
Daisy
Rosalina
Waluigi*

DK:
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
Candy Kong
Tiny Kong
King K. Rool*

Yoshi:
Yoshi

WarioWare:
Wario
Captain Syrup*

Legend of Zelda:
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf*
Toon Link
Saria
Zant*
Darknut*
Vaati*
Nabooru

Metroid:
Samus Aran/ZSS
Sylux
Weavel
Rundas

Ice Climber:
Ice Climbers

Kid Icarus:
Pit
Palutena

Nintendo Tantei Club:
Ayumi Tachibana

Punch-Out!!:
Little Mac
Heike Kagero
Bald Bull*
Piston Hondo*
King Hippo*
Mr. Sandman*
Super Macho-Man*
Nick Bruiser*

Kirby:
Kirby
Meta-Knight
King Dedede*
Knuckle Joe
Sir Kibble
Chef Kawasaki

Pikmin:
Olimar
Louie

Star Fox:
Fox Mccloud
Falco Lombardi
Krystal
Slippy Toad
Wolf O'Donnell*
Panther Caruso*
Leon Powalski*
General Scales*

Wave Race:
Ryota Hayami
Miles Jeter
Ayumi Stewart

1080:
Kensuke Kimachi
Akari Hayami

F-Zero:
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh*
Jody Summer
Jack Levin
Super Arrow
Mrs. Arrow
Blood Falcon*
Black Shadow*

Pokemon:
Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer
Mewtwo*
Lucario
Pichu
Jigglypuff
Blaziken
Hitmonlee
Sudowoodo
Clefairy
Plusle & Minun

Fire Emblem:
Marth
Roy
Eirika
Ike
Mist
Micaiah
Lyn
Sothe
The Black Knight*
Ashnard*
Orson*
Lyon*

Earthbound:
Ness
Lucas
Poo
Jeff Andonuts
Paula Polestar
Kumatora
Ninten

Animal Crossing:
Tom Nook
Kapp'n

Golden Sun:
Isaac
Garet
Felix

Custom Robo:
Ray mk 3

Sin & Punishment:
Saki Amamiya
Airan Cho
Brad*

Other Nintendo:
Mike Jones
John Raimi
Kagetora Yamanouchi
Genshin Karasuma
Donbe
Takamaru
Alexandra Roivas
Lip
Mach Rider

Capcom:

Street Fighter:
Ryu/Evil Ryu
Ken Masters
Chun-Li
Zangief/Mech Zangief
Guile
Charlie/Shadow Charlie
Birdie*
M. Bison/Vega
Sagat
Akuma/Shin Akuma*
Alex
Dudley
Ibuki
Makoto
Urien*
Yun Lee
Yang Lee
Gill*
Eagle
Retsu

Darkstalkers:
Morrigan Anesland
Demitri Maximoff
Donovan Baine
Hsien-Ko
Bishamon
Sasquatch
Anakaris
Felicia
Baby Bonnie Hood
Jedah Dohma*
Pyron*

Rival Schools:
Batsu Ichimonji/Burning Batsu
Kyosuke Kagami
Shoma Sawamura
Eiji "Edge" Yamada
Daigo Kazama
Akira Kazama/Powered Akira
Raizo Imawano*
Hyo Imawano/Demon Hyo*
Kurow Kirishima/Vatsu*

Slam Masters:
Biff Slamkovich
Gunloc
El Stingray
Titanic Tim
Rip Saber*
Jumbo Flapjack*
The Scorpion*

Final Fight:
Cody Travers
Kyle Travers
Guy
Mike Haggar
Sodom*
Rolento*
Blades*
The Stiff*
Maki Genryusai
Lucia
Dean
Black*

Megaman:
Megaman
Protoman
Bass*
Roll
Tron Bonne*
Megaman X
Zero
Axl
Sigma*

Resident Evil:
Leon S. Kennedy
Chris Redfield
Jill Valentine
Jack Krauser*
Albert Wesker*

Strider:
Strider Hiryu
Strider Hien*
Solo*
Metall Hengst*
Admiral Wilhelm*
Dullahan*

Onimusha:
Samanosuke Akechi
Soki
Muneyoshi Jubei Yagyu
Ekei Ankokuji
Magoichi Saiga
Roberto Frois
O-Hatsu
Gogandantess*
Mitsunari Ishida*
Munenori Yagyu*
Sakon Shima*
Jujudormah*
Guildenstern*

Sengoku Basara:
Masamune Date
Yukimura Sanada
Keiji Maeda
Nobunaga Oda*
Mitsuhide Akechi*
Matsu Maeda
Toshiie Maeda
Shingen Takeda
Hideyoshi Toyotomi*
Hanbei Takenaka*
Ujimasa Hojo
Kotaro Fuuma
Kojyuuro Katakura
Motochika Chosokabe
Motonari Mouri

Viewtiful Joe:
Viewtiful Joe
Sexy Sylvia
Alastor the Stylish*
Jet Black*
Captain Blue
Captain Blue Jr.
Dr. Kranken*
Big John*
Fire Leo*
Frost Tiger*

Warzard:
Leo
Kenji
Blade/Jihad
Gigi
Hydron
Ravange
Tessa

Cyberbots:
Jin Saotome
Mary Miyabi
Bao & Mao
Chiyomaru Kagura
Santana Laurence
Tessan Hagure
Devilotte de Satan III

Devil May Cry:
Dante
Vergil
Lady
Nero
Trish
Agni & Rudra
Ifrit
Bolverk
Angelo Agnus the One-eyed Dark Knight

Other Capcom:
Captain Commando
Mack the Knife
Ginzu the Ninja
Michelle Heart
Arthur (Ghouls ;n Ghosts)
Lancelot (Knights of the Round)
Casber Rublan
Saki Omokane
Regina
Cyber Blue
Captain Silver
Jeff Perkins
Ray Turner
Sarah White
Ring Reed
Bolt Voiyer

Others (3rd party):

Metal Gear:
Solid Snake*
Liquid Snake*
Gray Fox*
Meryl Silverburgh*
Olga Gurlukovich*
Revolver Ocelot*
Solidus Snake*
Vamp*
Sniper Wolf*
The Boss*
The Fear*
The Pain*

Sonic:
Sonic*
Knuckles*
Amy Rose*
Blaze*
Rouge*
Shadow*
Cream*
Omega*

ATs:
Hammer Bro
Tingle
Kalypso
Dr. Wright
Andross
Prince Tricky
Metroid
Lakitu and Spinies
Blade Knight
Pico
Odama
Helirin
Jill
Nintendog
Doshin the Giant
Mr. Resetti
Glass Joe
Kachua
PTX-40A
Vega/Balrog
Geki
Rikuo
Roberto Miura
Servbot
Don Pedro
Don Jose
Vega Donna
Mouri Army Trooper
Shtrom
Gawaine Murdock
Tails

that is what i think.

 

[Wizzerd]

Hahahaha, nice joke roster.

Spoiler

That is a joke roster, right?

 

[sundayseclipse]

asking to much are we and for zelda part you gats lots to learn boy. it tickled me funny bone.

any way what new retro char do we need.

excitabike maby?
ballon fight boy, yes
egg plant wizard, ha get out of here.

 

[SirKibble]

Yeah, that roster is absolutely insane. Way too many characters to expect for the next installment, and from a fair number of series that aren't likely to even get a representative. Seriously, it's just too much.

 

[drag0nscythe]

asking to much are we and for zelda part you gats lots to learn boy. it tickled me funny bone.

any way what new retro char do we need.

excitabike maby?
ballon fight boy, yes
egg plant wizard, ha get out of here.

Lil mac hits the Retro bill.
Diskun hits the odd system bill.

(Game and Watch -> Game and Wath, NES -> Rob, Diskun -> Nintendo Disk System)

If I think about it, he is the last system mascot Nintendo really has.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

My ssb4 Wishlist

First up: To those who want to make a suggestion to my roster, DO NOT suggest EVERY character from the past smash games, DO NOT suggest any character that didn't originate from video games (that includes anime characters), DO NOT suggest any sexually-orientated content, and DO NOT suggest more than a few third-party characters

Characters I DO NOT want: Ice Climbers, Toon Link, Pichu, Roy, and Dr. Mario as a character separate from the original Mario (however, Dr. Mario can be an alternate costume for the original Mario)

Characters I want (Note: all character transformations and character teammate swaps listed are executed by holding the A, B, X, Y, L, and R buttons simultaneously (assuming a control style similar to that of a classic or Gamecube controller is used)):

Mario Franchise: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Bowser Jr. (who can transform into Shadow Mario), and Paper Mario

DK Franchise: Donkey Kong, and Diddy Kong

Zelda Franchise: Link (who can transform into Wolf Link (should be called Twilight Link) with Midna (Imp version only) helping Link like in Twilight Princess), Zelda (can transform into Sheik), Ganondorf (with a more original moveset) and Young Link (who can transform into Deku Link, Goron Link, and Zora Link)

Metroid Franchise: Samus (who can transform into Zero Suit Samus), and one of the hunters from Metroid Prime Hunters

Yoshi Franchise: Yoshi

Kirby Franchise: Kirby, Meta Knight, and King Dedede

Starfox Franchise: Fox, Wolf (whose moveset is mixed in with that of Falco's), and Krystal

Pokemon Franchise: Red/Pokemon Trainer (uses Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard), Lucario, May/Pokemon Rival (uses Blaziken, Gardevoir, and Sableye) and the Grovyle from the 4th gen Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games

F-Zero Franchise: Captain Falcon, and Samurai Goroh

Earthbound Franchise: Ness and Porky Minch (Lucas is acceptable with Ness and Porky)

Fire Emblem Franchise: Marth, Ike, and Micaiah and Sothe (Micaiah and Sothe will function as a team similar to Pokemon Trainer)

Wario Franchise: Wario and Kat and Ana (the duo will function similarly to Ice Climbers)

Other Nintendo Franchises: Pit, Mr. Game & Watch, Olimar, R.O.B., Saki from Sin and Punishment, and Animal Crosser

Third-Party Franchises: Geno from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and Banjo with Kazooie (the duo will be called Banjo-Kazooie)

I have also came up with the Final Smash for May, so here it is: Blaziken, Gardevoir, and Sableye come onto the field at once, Gardevoir teleports, Sableye Uses Night Shade (which will increase the damage of opponents caught in its area (which is as big as the area of Luigi's Final Smash and lasting for 5 seconds)with Blaziken unaffected) while Blaziken hunts down the fighter whose in the lead (exluding May's Pokemon and her teammates) and rams them with Flare Blitz. Meanwhile, Gardevoir teleports into the foreground (while levitating, to make sure the readers know) and attacks the opponents with Psybeam (similar to Snake's Final Smash, but only fires three shots per Final Smash use). Please post what you think about this idea if you got an opinion. Thank you!

P.S.: I wasn't the first to come up with Micaiah and Sothe as a team. I would like to ask the person who posted this idea on this forum to post a message saying that they did (and be honest).

 

[justaway12]

No Pikachu? I know you don't want Anime characters but Pikachu is part of the Pokemon seris (and I am pretty sure appered in the first game) He/She starred in the games but got popular BECAUSE of the Anime, same with Jigglypuff and Mewtwo etc. (exept I think Mewtwo could have been added since he was important in the games), you can't get rid of half the cast of the 2nd best selling Nintendo franchise (sp?).And why did you keep Lucario?

No Ridley? Would you please mind explaining?And pretty please don't say he's too big (and for lack of K.rool aswell).

MICAIAH!?!? I don't know much about Faia emblem so i'm not sure....I just don't like her >.>.

And whats with the Ice climber hate? ​

 

[Master Knight DH]

My ideas:

*Multi-character battles. I mentioned it sometime back, but I can't be bothered right now to dig the specifics up. But basically, each player would have multiple characters (with dittos allowed being an option at most) in reserve while playing as one. They would be able to switch mid-stock too.
*Weight to be toned up. Its influence isn't big enough.
*Aerial Smashes if the programmers can think up 4 for each character. Each character has about 7 A moves (not to mention the Grab) on the ground, but only 5 A moves in the air. More air variety would be nice and a second move for AA moves to combat would help balance air-to-ground combat.
*Pit's arrows firing faster but having no stun ability unless they're charged up enough. Pit can stay the archer he's supposed to be, but the arrows need to not be so abusive, especially on people who are big and slow.
*Olimar's base ability toned down but his Pikmin's maturity stages actually doing something. Do I really need to say more?
*Meta Knight's priority should not be so high. Why does he, a guy not even bigger than Kirby, outprioritize Bowser's Down B. What a cruel joke.
*If Snake returns, he should have his weight and mobility affected by using his weapons. He's supposed to be an expert character of sorts, I believe that's why the makers made him heavier than most people, including Samus, who in her *futuristic* power suit should be heavier by all accounts.
*A few more girl characters at least. I want to see Dixie Kong and Micaiah playable at least, and maybe Paula Polestar if that gets to be plausible.

I'll get back to you on this. I'm not up to thinking up any of my other ideas right now.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

No Pikachu? I know you don't want Anime characters but Pikachu is part of the Pokemon seris (and I am pretty sure appered in the first game) He/She starred in the games but got popular BECAUSE of the Anime, same with Jigglypuff and Mewtwo etc. (exept I think Mewtwo could have been added since he was important in the games), you can't get rid of half the cast of the 2nd best selling Nintendo franchise (sp?).And why did you keep Lucario?

No Ridley? Would you please mind explaining?And pretty please don't say he's too big (and for lack of K.rool aswell).

MICAIAH!?!? I don't know much about Faia emblem so i'm not sure....I just don't like her >.>.

And whats with the Ice climber hate? ​

Mario the Jumpman:


For anime characters, I saw a post on this forum that listed a very good reason NOT to include anime characters. For example, if Goku appeared in Brawl, many Dragon Ball Z fans would argue about whether he should be in it or another DBZ character should be in it.

About Pikachu, it was the main Pokemon in only a few pokemon games, most well-known is Pokemon Yellow. The Pokemon Trainers are the main characters in the Pokemon series. Lucario is rather popular with some of my friends because they remind them of Dragon Ball Z. I am not sure why I prefer Lucario myself. For Pikachu and Jigglypuff, I am fine with them being in the next Smash Game. Just so you know, I watch the Pokemon anime series because I am a huge Pokemon fan.

I did not list Ridley in my list of wanted characters, but he isn't in my list of those I want out either. In other words, if people want Ridley in the game, it's okay with me.

I listed Micaiah because she's a light mage and a female(beauty has nothing to do with it).

As for the Ice Climbers, they aren't in my favorites list, and I don't think the Ice Climber game was all that good. I'm not the only one who thinks that way. I saw a series of videos on Google Videos about the video creators rants about Brawl. On one of those videos they said that the Ice Climbers were a poor addition to the Smash Series.

About the part in my post about not allowing suggestions that involve putting EVERY single character from the past Smash series, you should know that characters like Roy and Pichu are cut for a reason. I'm sorry, but you can't have them all, and neither can I.

By the way, I'm guessing you didn't have an opinion on my Final Smash idea for May/Pokemon Rival. And about the part with May being the Pokemon Rival, she could be selected as the main character for the Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald Pokemon versions, and she would be the rival if the player chose Brendan instead.

And again, I'm sorry that my wishlist doesn't match yours, and I can also feel the same kind of anger you're feeling at this time.

 

[SmashChu]

@Mario the Jumpman: No Ice Climbers=No Thanks

 

[drag0nscythe]

Mario the Jumpman:


For anime characters, I saw a post on this forum that listed a very good reason NOT to include anime characters. For example, if Goku appeared in Brawl, many Dragon Ball Z fans would argue about whether he should be in it or another DBZ character should be in it.

About Pikachu, it was the main Pokemon in only a few pokemon games, most well-known is Pokemon Yellow. The Pokemon Trainers are the main characters in the Pokemon series. Lucario is rather popular with some of my friends because they remind them of Dragon Ball Z. I am not sure why I prefer Lucario myself. For Pikachu and Jigglypuff, I am fine with them being in the next Smash Game. Just so you know, I watch the Pokemon anime series because I am a huge Pokemon fan.

I did not list Ridley in my list of wanted characters, but he isn't in my list of those I want out either. In other words, if people want Ridley in the game, it's okay with me.

I listed Micaiah because she's a light mage and a female(beauty has nothing to do with it).

As for the Ice Climbers, they aren't in my favorites list, and I don't think the Ice Climber game was all that good. I'm not the only one who thinks that way. I saw a series of videos on Google Videos about the video creators rants about Brawl. On one of those videos they said that the Ice Climbers were a poor addition to the Smash Series.

About the part in my post about not allowing suggestions that involve putting EVERY single character from the past Smash series, you should know that characters like Roy and Pichu are cut for a reason. I'm sorry, but you can't have them all, and neither can I.

By the way, I'm guessing you didn't have an opinion on my Final Smash idea for May/Pokemon Rival. And about the part with May being the Pokemon Rival, she could be selected as the main character for the Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald Pokemon versions, and she would be the rival if the player chose Brendan instead.

And again, I'm sorry that my wishlist doesn't match yours, and I can also feel the same kind of anger you're feeling at this time.

I came up with another trainer also.

Leaf -> Jigglypuff, pichu and Gardivour.

I saw yours had Gardivour, and two other pokemon I have no clue about. It felt more random than mine. If another trainer does appear, there will be a pattern. Mine was girly pokemon / show (No clue what the real term is)


oh, and while I thought your list sucked big time, it was still better than the official list that was posted not to long ago.

 

[SirKibble]

Here's an idea I've brought up before, but I think is worth running past the thread again. What do you guys think of a Tag Battle system, as opposed to standard Team Battle? In other words:

P1 (Red Team) = Mario
P2 (Red Team) = Link
P3 (Blue Team) = Kirby
P4 (Blue Team) = Pikachu

The battle begins with only Mario and Kirby facing off on the stage. The taunt buttons (or perhaps just a specific one), however, rather than perform taunts, will switch the in-play character. For example, when Mario performs the switch, he leaves the field of battle, and Link appears to take his place at the exact spot Mario switched out at. Systems could be put in place to allow switching only after a certain period of time from the last switch, as well as something to constantly drop a character's damage percentage while they weren't fighting, which would probably take after the Custom Robo tag system and have characters only recover down to 100% damage or something along those lines.

Stocks could be handled easily based on teams. When either player for a team is KOed, the team loses a stock and both characters are reset to 0% damage. That, or stocks could involve both team members, meaning that once one is KOed for a stock, while that doesn't cost the team a stock, it disallows that team member from switching in until his partner is KOed, at which point they lose a stock. Either way, just a thought that I had, which I thought sounded fun. Opinions?

 

[justaway12]

Mario the Jumpman:


For anime characters, I saw a post on this forum that listed a very good reason NOT to include anime characters. For example, if Goku appeared in Brawl, many Dragon Ball Z fans would argue about whether he should be in it or another DBZ character should be in it.

I know

About Pikachu, it was the main Pokemon in only a few pokemon games, most well-known is Pokemon Yellow. The Pokemon Trainers are the main characters in the Pokemon series. Lucario is rather popular with some of my friends because they remind them of Dragon Ball Z. I am not sure why I prefer Lucario myself. For Pikachu and Jigglypuff, I am fine with them being in the next Smash Game. Just so you know, I watch the Pokemon anime series because I am a huge Pokemon fan.

I know Pikachu isn't a main char, i'm just saying it's not originally an Anime character, but he/she is popular and 99.99% guarenteed (sp?) to appear maybe even more

I did not list Ridley in my list of wanted characters, but he isn't in my list of those I want out either. In other words, if people want Ridley in the game, it's okay with me.

Kk.

I listed Micaiah because she's a light mage and a female(beauty has nothing to do with it).

Never mentioned beauty. just don't like her >.>

I never mentioned beauty either(...did I?) Just don't like her, don't take it seriously (don't know nuch about Faia emblem.)

As for the Ice Climbers, they aren't in my favorites list, and I don't think the Ice Climber game was all that good. I'm not the only one who thinks that way. I saw a series of videos on Google Videos about the video creators rants about Brawl. On one of those videos they said that the Ice Climbers were a poor addition to the Smash Series.

They were still very popular and represent the retro characters

About the part in my post about not allowing suggestions that involve putting EVERY single character from the past Smash series, you should know that characters like Roy and Pichu are cut for a reason. I'm sorry, but you can't have them all, and neither can I.

Never mentioned that. But Mewtwo does have a very good chance, Popular, Legendry (or uber legendry...IIRC), and I heard he was being planned but cut do to time restraints, TBH I don't really care about Mewtwo though

By the way, I'm guessing you didn't have an opinion on my Final Smash idea for May/Pokemon Rival. And about the part with May being the Pokemon Rival, she could be selected as the main character for the Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald Pokemon versions, and she would be the rival if the player chose Brendan instead.

That sounds good but I don't have an opinion on it.

And again, I'm sorry that my wishlist doesn't match yours, and I can also feel the same kind of anger you're feeling at this time.

Not really angry just my posts sometimes come off as that...sorry.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Here's an idea I've brought up before, but I think is worth running past the thread again. What do you guys think of a Tag Battle system, as opposed to standard Team Battle? In other words:

P1 (Red Team) = Mario
P2 (Red Team) = Link
P3 (Blue Team) = Kirby
P4 (Blue Team) = Pikachu

The battle begins with only Mario and Kirby facing off on the stage. The taunt buttons (or perhaps just a specific one), however, rather than perform taunts, will switch the in-play character. For example, when Mario performs the switch, he leaves the field of battle, and Link appears to take his place at the exact spot Mario switched out at. Systems could be put in place to allow switching only after a certain period of time from the last switch, as well as something to constantly drop a character's damage percentage while they weren't fighting, which would probably take after the Custom Robo tag system and have characters only recover down to 100% damage or something along those lines.

Stocks could be handled easily based on teams. When either player for a team is KOed, the team loses a stock and both characters are reset to 0% damage. That, or stocks could involve both team members, meaning that once one is KOed for a stock, while that doesn't cost the team a stock, it disallows that team member from switching in until his partner is KOed, at which point they lose a stock. Either way, just a thought that I had, which I thought sounded fun. Opinions?

Huhh. Tekken, King of Fighters 2003 and..... DOA2?

I like the idea, but I would like standard there also. This would be a good extra mode. Like an option in a tag battle menu.

 

[Wizzerd]

The Tag Battle sounds like a very interesting idea, I'd love to see it implemented in SSB4. It might also be interesting if you could switch out characters in the SSB4 story mode for puzzles/strategy.

Also, drag0nscythe, the official roster was very good. What do you see wrong with it?

 

[kirbywizard]

I feel the Mario and Luigi series has earned some rep, and I think if it wereto have a rep this guy would be a shoe in for it.

* "I HAVE FURY!"

* "I am the great Cackletta's most best pupil, who is named Fawful! I am here, laughing at you! If you are giving us the chase, just to get your silly princess's voice, then you are idiots of foolishness! Princess Peach's sweet voice will soon be the bread that makes the sandwich of Cackletta's desires! And this battle shall be the delicious mustard on that bread! The mustard of your doom!"

* "Your lives that I spit on are now but a caricature of a cartoon drawn by a kid who is stupid!"

* "ONE FELL SWOOP IS THE WAY I WILL DEAL WITH YOU FINK-RATS"

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I came up with another trainer also.

Leaf -> Jigglypuff, pichu and Gardivour.

I saw yours had Gardivour, and two other pokemon I have no clue about. It felt more random than mine. If another trainer does appear, there will be a pattern. Mine was girly pokemon / show (No clue what the real term is)


oh, and while I thought your list sucked big time, it was still better than the official list that was posted not to long ago.

Mario the Jumpman:

Let's talk about the Pokemon Rival. Her three pokemon represent three types other than grass, water, and fire (although Blaziken is a fire type) that beat one of these types but lose to the other, which are fighting, psychic, and dark. Blaziken is not only May's main pokemon in the anime series, but also a rather popular pokemon. Making a second trainer that has starters with their evolutions, like the first trainer, seem unoriginal, don't you think? Although May's team only has one starter, the other two are nonstarters. Sableye was the first ever pokemon to have no weaknesses to attack types (although with Foresight, Sableye could be creamed by a strong fighting-type attack). And the Pokemon have different playing styles. Gardevoir could be at normal speed, have some good long-range fighting style, and be a middle-weight. Blaziken could be heavy and slow, but with more power and close-range potential. Sableye could be light, fast, and pretty deceptive. I understand that my selection for May's Pokemon seems somewhat out of place, but maybe you could think about it for at least a few seconds.

Pichu was cut from Brawl because it shamelessly cloned Pikachu (although Ganondorf took the title of "Worst Clone"). I would prefer Jigglypuff to be either a separate fighter or a pokeball assist pokemon (though they could get rid of the pokeballs as items and have some pokemon as assist trophy characters, which could be a bit fair to the other franchises).

 

[drag0nscythe]

The Tag Battle sounds like a very interesting idea, I'd love to see it implemented in SSB4. It might also be interesting if you could switch out characters in the SSB4 story mode for puzzles/strategy.

Also, drag0nscythe, the official roster was very good. What do you see wrong with it?

Right.

1. The removal of ROB. I doubt they are going to eliminate him because he has a unique moveset (Mewtwo was replaced with Lucario in a sense) and it appear Sakurai seemed very fond of the character, considering the role he had in SSE. Sakurai also knows how much people hate the removal of characters. He is more than likely going to take this into account also. ROB is not going anywhere.

2. Tingle. He is not exactly the most loved in the world. Only part of Europe and Japan really like him, with the rest of Europe and America hating his guts. He is not even that important to the canon as far as the series goes. He is taking up a space that could goto another unique series, like Stafy. He was excluded from TP because of this immense hate for him (from what I heard)

3. Black Shadow. His only purpose is to take Ganondorfs moveset. That is the lamest reason I have ever seen. Why bother with him if that is the only reason. We need another F-zero rep? Give him his own moveset. Not a hand-me-down.

4. The original 12 excuses flying around. See it for both Ness and Jiggs. Not a good enough reason to keep them.

5. While I do agree with 45, there is not enough new series representation. We have Lil mac, Isaac and Ray. It fells more like trying to fill the big series quota to me.

6. IT is dull. There is nothing on that list that screams interesting. At least with lists including Diskun, it gives a WTF character (Tingle is not that. He never will be that.)

 

[drag0nscythe]

Mario the Jumpman:

Let's talk about the Pokemon Rival. Her three pokemon represent three types other than grass, water, and fire (although Blaziken is a fire type) that beat one of these types but lose to the other, which are fighting, psychic, and dark. Blaziken is not only May's main pokemon in the anime series, but also a rather popular pokemon. Making a second trainer that has starters with their evolutions, like the first trainer, seem unoriginal, don't you think? Although May's team only has one starter, the other two are nonstarters. Sableye was the first ever pokemon to have no weaknesses to attack types (although with Foresight, Sableye could be creamed by a strong fighting-type attack). And the Pokemon have different playing styles. Gardevoir could be at normal speed, have some good long-range fighting style, and be a middle-weight. Blaziken could be heavy and slow, but with more power and close-range potential. Sableye could be light, fast, and pretty deceptive. I understand that my selection for May's Pokemon seems somewhat out of place, but maybe you could think about it for at least a few seconds.

Pichu was cut from Brawl because it shamelessly cloned Pikachu (although Ganondorf took the title of "Worst Clone"). I would prefer Jigglypuff to be either a separate fighter or a pokeball assist pokemon (though they could get rid of the pokeballs as items and have some pokemon as assist trophy characters, which could be a bit fair to the other franchises).

See, we have Water, grass and fire already. We do not need another one. I put Pichu back there because he can be decloned easily. I wanted to get all previous characters back into SSB4 somehow.

For me, I hate how jiggs plays and how two of her three B moves are practically worthless. Since that, and her popularity (while still huge in japan) has dropped around the rest of the world, just a small downgrade would not be unreasonable. If one of her B moves (say Sing) was put as a forth taunt, she could still have all her moves and be fine.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Mario the Jumpman here!

To anyone who has seem my ssb4 character wishlist:

Why hasn't anybody posted their opinion about my Final Smash Idea for May/Pokemon Rival.

 

[Starphoenix]

Lets get some things straight right now:

Pikachu and Jigglypuff are not going anywhere period.

Ness is not going anywhere as long as Starmen.Net exists, plus Earthbound is a cult classic alongside Kid Icarus. If Ness goes, than I want to see Pit go as well. Ness has been in all three and deserves to be in 4. He is a good fighter and a unique one at that.

R.O.B is not going anywhere, he is unique and a great fighter. Plus he does have history with Nintendo; he is no more obscure than Mr. Game and Watch.

Cut characters can in fact return, Mewtwo and Roy were cut due to time restraints. Pichu could be reworked as a part of a trio for a Female Pokémon Trainer, and Dr. Mario could work as a costume.

I feel the Mario and Luigi series has earned some rep, and I think if it wereto have a rep this guy would be a shoe in for it.

* "I HAVE FURY!"

* "I am the great Cackletta's most best pupil, who is named Fawful! I am here, laughing at you! If you are giving us the chase, just to get your silly princess's voice, then you are idiots of foolishness! Princess Peach's sweet voice will soon be the bread that makes the sandwich of Cackletta's desires! And this battle shall be the delicious mustard on that bread! The mustard of your doom!"

* "Your lives that I spit on are now but a caricature of a cartoon drawn by a kid who is stupid!"

* "ONE FELL SWOOP IS THE WAY I WILL DEAL WITH YOU FINK-RATS"

Fawful=WIN!

Not that he is ever going to get in, but I would find his inclusion hilarious.

 

[Master Knight DH]

Here's an idea I've brought up before, but I think is worth running past the thread again. What do you guys think of a Tag Battle system, as opposed to standard Team Battle? In other words:

P1 (Red Team) = Mario
P2 (Red Team) = Link
P3 (Blue Team) = Kirby
P4 (Blue Team) = Pikachu

The battle begins with only Mario and Kirby facing off on the stage. The taunt buttons (or perhaps just a specific one), however, rather than perform taunts, will switch the in-play character. For example, when Mario performs the switch, he leaves the field of battle, and Link appears to take his place at the exact spot Mario switched out at. Systems could be put in place to allow switching only after a certain period of time from the last switch, as well as something to constantly drop a character's damage percentage while they weren't fighting, which would probably take after the Custom Robo tag system and have characters only recover down to 100% damage or something along those lines.

Stocks could be handled easily based on teams. When either player for a team is KOed, the team loses a stock and both characters are reset to 0% damage. That, or stocks could involve both team members, meaning that once one is KOed for a stock, while that doesn't cost the team a stock, it disallows that team member from switching in until his partner is KOed, at which point they lose a stock. Either way, just a thought that I had, which I thought sounded fun. Opinions?

In theory, the idea could be good, but what if P1 is the better player than all 3 of the others, and P2 is either too dumb to know how to tag out or too malicious to care? And not to mention SSB isn't turn-based and doesn't have simultaneous turns.

Maybe it's still a good idea, but I'd rather have my multi-character mode anyway. Then players would each have multiple characters to duke it out with.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Lets get some things straight right now:

Pikachu and Jigglypuff are not going anywhere period.

Ness is not going anywhere as long as Starmen.Net exists, plus Earthbound is a cult classic alongside Kid Icarus. If Ness goes, than I want to see Pit go as well. Ness has been in all three and deserves to be in 4. He is a good fighter and a unique one at that.

R.O.B is not going anywhere, he is unique and a great fighter. Plus he does have history with Nintendo; he is no more obscure than Mr. Game and Watch.

Cut characters can in fact return, Mewtwo and Roy were cut due to time restraints. Pichu could be reworked as a part of a trio for a Female Pokémon Trainer, and Dr. Mario could work as a costume.

Truth.

I have also came up with the Final Smash for May, so here it is: Blaziken, Gardevoir, and Sableye come onto the field at once, Gardevoir teleports, Sableye Uses Night Shade (which will increase the damage of opponents caught in its area (which is as big as the area of Luigi's Final Smash and lasting for 5 seconds)with Blaziken unaffected) while Blaziken hunts down the fighter whose in the lead (exluding May's Pokemon and her teammates) and rams them with Flare Blitz. Meanwhile, Gardevoir teleports into the foreground (while levitating, to make sure the readers know) and attacks the opponents with Psybeam (similar to Snake's Final Smash, but only fires three shots per Final Smash use). Please post what you think about this idea if you got an opinion. Thank you!

Alot goes on in this FS. Sounds slightly overpower honestly. I like how all three are doing a stand alone like mission, yet it all seems to come together for the same goal.

It would definitely keep everyone on their toes. Question is, how would the FS be controlled?

 

[rockem7]

I like the tag team thought. Nice one. ^.^

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Not really angry just my posts sometimes come off as that...sorry.

Mario the Jumpman:

Remember the time you complained about King K. Rool not being in my wishlist?

Even though he isn't on there, if K. Rool appears in the next Smash game, I'm cool.

 

[sundayseclipse]

i agree with drago, we should TRY to double the roster we had in brawl,

yes earthbound/mother is very cool but how much more popularity did they get from ssb, not as much as pit did, people are demending kid iccarus wii, is any body wanting earthbound,mother ds, wii. no. plus ness and lucas move sets are annoying and kinda get spammy, its a personal descison and problem but make their smash moves like star fox(u use it to much it well gradualy fail)

i could see fawful as a stage accesiory or a AT, a fighter lol maby.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Truth.



Alot goes on in this FS. Sounds slightly overpower honestly. I like how all three are doing a stand alone like mission, yet it all seems to come together for the same goal.

It would definitely keep everyone on their toes. Question is, how would the FS be controlled?

Mario the Jumpman:

As soon as Gardevoir teleports and Sableye used Night Shade, Blaziken automatically targets the opponent whose ahead of the rest of the opponents. Now for Gardevoir, moving the control stick will decide where Gardevoir will aim and the A or B button will have Gardevoir fire Psybeam. If anybody has any ideas on how to balance the FS, please post a reply. Thank you.

 

[sundayseclipse]

btw i think jiggily should be replaced with mschavious, gardivior and ...um i think rosalia

 

[Wizzerd]

1. The removal of ROB. I doubt they are going to eliminate him because he has a unique moveset (Mewtwo was replaced with Lucario in a sense) and it appear Sakurai seemed very fond of the character, considering the role he had in SSE. Sakurai also knows how much people hate the removal of characters. He is more than likely going to take this into account also. ROB is not going anywhere.

You have to take into account the fact that retro and shock characters are not a priority. We have a whopping 4 characters in the retro/shock spot (Ice Climbers/Game and Watch/Pit/ROB). Granted, some of these characters were supported, but not nearly to the degree of characters like King K. Rool and Ridley. When there are so many candidates for a roster, as there are in SSB4, it makes some sense to prune the retro hedges.

2. Tingle. He is not exactly the most loved in the world. Only part of Europe and Japan really like him, with the rest of Europe and America hating his guts. He is not even that important to the canon as far as the series goes. He is taking up a space that could goto another unique series, like Stafy. He was excluded from TP because of this immense hate for him (from what I heard)

Where do you get the "part of Europe" thing? Europe in general got Rosy Rupeeland and it sold decently enough to prove that they don't mind him. Yes, he's not significant to the main series, but he has his own games where he is significant. It's a safe bet to say that more games with him as a protagonist will be released outside of the US. Also, I point out that Twilight Princess didn't sell so well in Japan. I may be making an arbitrary connection, but maybe it helped that Tingle wasn't in Twilight Princess.

3. Black Shadow. His only purpose is to take Ganondorfs moveset. That is the lamest reason I have ever seen. Why bother with him if that is the only reason. We need another F-zero rep? Give him his own moveset. Not a hand-me-down.

No, his main purpose is to give F-Zero the newcomer character it needs. That's why the first sentence said so. Also, Ganondorf isn't too popular, but that's more about his tier position and less about his playstyle. Some people could enjoy having Black Shadow carry Ganondorf's torch.

4. The original 12 excuses flying around. See it for both Ness and Jiggs. Not a good enough reason to keep them.

It's not a crap excuse, as these characters are significant and well-liked. Also. I thought that Sakurai knows how much people hate cut characters?

5. While I do agree with 45, there is not enough new series representation. We have Lil mac, Isaac and Ray. It fells more like trying to fill the big series quota to me.

I'll give you this, it was something I didn't like about the roster.

6. IT is dull. There is nothing on that list that screams interesting. At least with lists including Diskun, it gives a WTF character (Tingle is not that. He never will be that.)

Tingle! Tingle! Kooloo-limpah! I'd say Tingle could be quite a shock, which is a minor bonus.

 

[drag0nscythe]

You have to take into account the fact that retro and shock characters are not a priority. We have a whopping 4 characters in the retro/shock spot (Ice Climbers/Game and Watch/Pit/ROB). Granted, some of these characters were supported, but not nearly to the degree of characters like King K. Rool and Ridley. When there are so many candidates for a roster, as there are in SSB4, it makes some sense to prune the retro hedges.

That is not a good excuse to cut a character. There is no valid point to the removal or ROB. Why not Cut Game and Watch instead? Why just ROB? Game and Watch is not part of the O12, and he was certainly hated during the melee run.

Where do you get the "part of Europe" thing? Europe in general got Rosy Rupeeland and it sold decently enough to prove that they don't mind him. Yes, he's not significant to the main series, but he has his own games where he is significant. It's a safe bet to say that more games with him as a protagonist will be released outside of the US. Also, I point out that Twilight Princess didn't sell so well in Japan. I may be making an arbitrary connection, but maybe it helped that Tingle wasn't in Twilight Princess.

Don't ask me validity. I am not to sure.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmericansHateTingle

Another thing to consider is that we are getting a new Zelda game. Depending on who is present, a playable rep will more than likely come from there. I know that may sound slightly ridiculous, but I remember reading that Miyamoto wanted to take the zelda series in a new direction.

No, his main purpose is to give F-Zero the newcomer character it needs. That's why the first sentence said so. Also, Ganondorf isn't too popular, but that's more about his tier position and less about his playstyle. Some people could enjoy having Black Shadow carry Ganondorf's torch.

Some may, but it is pointless to justify that character specifically because he can "Carry Ganondorf's moveset" Why not Samurai Goroh? He is just as popular. He was popular enough to get an AT in brawl. The fact is that Black shadow is usually only considered because of this moveset dump. It is not a valid reason.

In Brawl, Ganondorfs moveset fits slightly. Give him a Down B to pull out his sword, move the warlock kick the sword Moveset Forward B, and you have his sword also.

It's not a crap excuse, as these characters are significant and well-liked. Also. I thought that Sakurai knows how much people hate cut characters?

ROB is well liked. Why cut him? It is a crap excuse because it basically says "We were here first. Nothing can touch us." Sakurai showed interest in cutting Ness, and judging by Lucas B moves, I assume that Ness was going to get the Axe, but others on the development team told him not too (or something like that.) Jiggs popularity around the world has dropped. She frankly can lose her spot also.

And do not give me the Japan only matters excuse also. That is as bad as O12. It is a world market now. They cannot just cater to Japan.

ITingle! Tingle! Kooloo-limpah! I'd say Tingle could be quite a shock, which is a minor bonus.

He is not that big of a shock, especially if Japan and part of Europe loves him so much. Tingle is best suited for AT (IMO), nothing else.

 

[Big-Cat]

i agree with drago, we should TRY to double the roster we had in brawl,

yes earthbound/mother is very cool but how much more popularity did they get from ssb, not as much as pit did, people are demending kid iccarus wii, is any body wanting earthbound,mother ds, wii. no. plus ness and lucas move sets are annoying and kinda get spammy, its a personal descison and problem but make their smash moves like star fox(u use it to much it well gradualy fail)

i could see fawful as a stage accesiory or a AT, a fighter lol maby.

If we were to double Brawl's roster, who would be added in SSB5? Also, MOTHER and Kid Icarus already had decent fanbases, with MOTHER having one of the most vocal fanbases ever.

For a long time, people have demanded a Kid Icarus sequel and we may see that on the Wii. As for a MOTHER DS/Wii, fans are more concerned about getting MOTHER 1 and 3 over here more than anything else. Ever since MOTHER 3 came out, even people outside the fanbase has demanded that Nintendo stop being stupid and bring the game over already.

I swear, do you think your posts over when you post? And don't even try to insult me. All that does is make you look childish, which may be a strong word.

 

[drag0nscythe]

If we were to double Brawl's roster, who would be added in SSB5? Also, MOTHER and Kid Icarus already had decent fanbases, with MOTHER having one of the most vocal fanbases ever.

Hopefully there will be more Nintendo franchises to worry about.
Another thing is, all I want is 49 characters (not counting transformations). My roster attempts to maximize the amount of playable characters, while keeping in everyone from the smash history.

For a long time, people have demanded a Kid Icarus sequel and we may see that on the Wii. As for a MOTHER DS/Wii, fans are more concerned about getting MOTHER 1 and 3 over here more than anything else. Ever since MOTHER 3 came out, even people outside the fanbase has demanded that Nintendo stop being stupid and bring the game over already.

Which is true. Why is Nintendo stalling that anyway? Still, Mother is technically over-reped when compared to series. It does only have three games. Ness was perfect to represent the series.

I swear, do you think your posts over when you post? And don't even try to insult me. All that does is make you look childish, which may be a strong word.

You........SMELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway, I am prepared to fight my battle. Even to the death.

 

[kirbywizard]

Fawful=WIN!

Not that he is ever going to get in, but I would find his inclusion hilarious.

yeah his chance of getting is low but man would it be funny