Pika Q&A/FAQ Thread: Ask a Quick Question, Get a Quick Answer!

[Stealth Raptor]

or just jump and thunder. hits them in the head, best way to punish ledge attackers. the only options that work are drop and jump, or roll onto stage.

 

[Pika_Cam]

or just jump and thunder. hits them in the head, best way to punish ledge attackers. the only options that work are drop and jump, or roll onto stage.

You're right. I should try that.

 

[typh]

how come sometimes when i quick attack cancel into a thunder jolt i don't have any lag from the QAC after i land after the thunder jolt

i could have worded that a lot better

 

[Pika_Cam]

how come sometimes when i quick attack cancel into a thunder jolt i don't have any lag from the QAC after i land after the thunder jolt

i could have worded that a lot better

Ummm... run that by me one more time.

 

[typh]

ok like

QAC -> tjolt

i land with no landing lag

where normally i would have a ton of lag from the QAC

 

[bigman40]

ok like

QAC -> tjolt

i land with no landing lag

where normally i would have a ton of lag from the QAC

The second part of the QAC gives the lag. So if you always finish with the first part, you shouldn't get the lag.

 

[Pika_Cam]

The whole idea of QAC is to not have landing lag. Did you jump after the QAC and tjolt or tjolt directly after landing on the ground from the QAC? You can perform some moves after QAC that have no lag even if you don't jump. For instance, you can QAC > dair without a jump in between. I've experienced the same thing with tjolts.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

no. you always get the lag. tjolt cancels the lag however, something that i have known about for a while, VERY useful to know

 

[bigman40]

no. you always get the lag. tjolt cancels the lag however, something that i have known about for a while, VERY useful to know

From what I got here, the second one gives the real lag.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7479524&postcount=1

 

[typh]

no. you always get the lag. tjolt cancels the lag however, something that i have known about for a while, VERY useful to know

my tjolts only cancel the lag like 1/4 of the time and i'm trying to figure out what makes it cancel only sometimes?

i feel like i'm missing something really obvious and important

i quick attack across the ground once, jump, tjolt in the air, and i land after tjolt is over, and i sometimes get lag and sometimes i don't

 

[Pika_Cam]

It depends on what lag we are talking about. I'm talking about the lag between the QAC and the move being performed.

EDIT: Okay, I'm too lost to continue. I'll let Stealth and Bigman take care of it.

 

[typh]

ACK i figured it out

ok apparently I have to thunder jolt not immediately after i QAC but right before the apex of the double jump

ok i got it sorry for confusing everyone

 

[Stealth Raptor]

um i tjolt as soon as i jump and it cancels. i can do this 100% of the time, and its actually a big part of my recovery game, qac onto stage with reverse tjolt, then punish. i think the tjolt must be over by the time you land, other then that im not sure what you are talking about. i also tested with just the first part, and a double qac. also doing it multiple times before the tjolt, no difference.


i can make a demonstration vid if i have to O.o

 

[typh]

you have to tjolt like, really really immediately after you QAC, then you'll have lag.

it's weird.

no need to make a vid, i figured it out

 

[Stealth Raptor]

weiiiird you are right. i never tjolt that fast though O.o has to be like first frame only, i tjolt pretty fast normally

 

[bigman40]

Hmm. So we gotta pretty much buffer it to keep it from lagging alot?

 

[Stealth Raptor]

if you buffer it and tjolt immediately you will get lag. just wait a couple frames, and you wont. ive honestly done the no lag tjolt for months, and i have never noticed that if you do it to fast you get lag. so weeeeeeird. now i wonder why?

 

[typh]

i was getting frustrated because i couldn't figure out why i was getting lag

so i tried doing it faster because faster = less lag right

that's why i was sooo confused XD

 

[bigman40]

loooool freaking mindgames man XD I'll have to mess with it to get the timing then.

 

[Steeler]

now you pikachus know what the pt board has to deal with sometimes........................................................................................................................................

dot dot dot

this was almost my 2500th post

close call

 

[Stealth Raptor]

lol wtf steeler. stop lurking on mah boards D:<

 

[typh]

now you pikachus know what the pt board has to deal with sometimes........................................................................................................................................

dot dot dot

thank god this wasn't my 2500th post, too close of a call man

that convoluted question i asked was my 2000th post

true story

 

[Steeler]

gtfi in my balls already stealth

that convoluted question i asked was my 2000th post

true story

that's unfortunately hilarious

this is what i used my 2500 on

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7553656&postcount=1111

pretty good decision

 

[Frio]

So guys I need a little help >_>

Lately, I've been having trouble on getting tips against Ness (especially due to the fact that the Pika boards don't have a thread on it :/). The Ness' I typically VS have a few patterns:

1. They like to Up B spam, when I'm a long distance away.
2. They use F air a lot (close range).
3. When I get into the higher %'s they typically just try to back throw me off the stage.
4. In the middle range area they will use Pika fire and if it hits F smash me or go for a throw (depending on the %.
5. They will also occasionally auto cancel D airs as a defence kind of thing, meaning they move forward, use D air, move back, auto cancel.

Advice would be really helpful.

 

[gallax]

we actually do have a thread on it. if you go under CHARACTER MATCHUPS(which actually makes sense to look under) and go to NESS you will see a link. wow, we actually do have a link. he it is if you cant find it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthrea...96#post6958996

 

[Frio]

we actually do have a thread on it. if you go under CHARACTER MATCHUPS(which actually makes sense to look under) and go to NESS you will see a link. wow, we actually do have a link. he it is if you cant find it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthrea...96#post6958996

the link is broken, but I think I know what you mean. However, the adivce is all filled in with ? marks. In the thread though I found ESAMS advice helpful but they were still dissussing the matchup

 

[bigman40]

Anyone know about canceling a Ledge-hopped Fair to walking? Not where the moves completely finishes. I canceled it before Pika pulled the hitbox out completely. I have the vid if I need to upload it.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

um yeah if you land a fair as its starting up, no hit box comes out and no lag. its something silver spark noticed a while back.

 

[Pikabunz]

That's just auto canceling but the frames are at the start of the aerial. Other characters have this too, like DK's fair I think.

 

[Xi_Athletics_ix]

I'm still having trouble with those kill set-ups. Any suggestions to learn before those? Something I could practice before moving to those?

I should have a video posted this weekend so I can ask nicely for some help on not sucking >.>

 

[gallax]

a great kill setup is to ff fair behind them and then utilt>thunder for the win!!!!!!!!

P.S. oos nair needs no setup

 

[Kenrawr]

a great kill setup is to ff fair behind them and then utilt>thunder for the win!!!!!!!!

P.S. oos nair needs no setup

But don't get used to it.

Because it won't happen that often.

~Hey Pikas, I've been feeling lulzy lately and I've been trying to jab/QA lock people.

Can I has set-up ideas?

 

[KayLo!]

~Hey Pikas, I've been feeling lulzy lately and I've been trying to jab/QA lock people.

Can I has set-up ideas?

Unless you have a wall/ceiling to work with or can set up a footstool (see: ESAM's footstool combo), it's probably not gonna happen. People fail to tech out of fthrow sometimes, but at higher percentages, they'll be too far away to get there in time.... and it only happens rarely anyway.

EDIT: You can try tech chasing into it out of dsmash? Still probably not gonna happen, though, lol.

 

[Kenrawr]

I know that it's rare, Klo >_>

Thank you for the suggestions.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

try my jab lock vid, i have a few, if hard to setup setups. also if they are sheilding on a platforn near an edge, you can hit them, and if they fall off and dont jump, they will land on the ground and can be locked. uair works well.

 

[KayLo!]

Gallax, the FAQ/Q&A is all yours.

 

[Koala]

I have a quick question.

What is the best way to DI with pikachu?

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Same as everyone else lol or do you mean Momentum cancel? I think it's Uair...

 

[Koala]

Yeah, I was talking about momentum cancel. I guess I can try the different aerials for myself and see what I find.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Uair is the best. If you are hit horizontally, skull bash if you are in danger of dying.