Pikachu CG on Wario.......and more?

[Zylar]

LOL
Hey, so you say this new thing works on fast fallers? >=D Some of my friends will not be happy soon.

Oh, and a question about the wario one. It only works when you at the edge of a platform, but NOT the edge of the stage? At least for any character. Just need some clarifying.

Edit : Oh, and we SO need a vid for this other thing if it works out. 8p

 

[gallax]

wow...pika for top tier?

 

[!Boom!]

Lol gallax do you realize how situational this is...

 

[Masky]

can't wait to see the thing that works on fastfallers

 

[Tagxy]

Pika for President

 

[Veng]

Stealth im sort of confused, the other guy said your Dthrow needs to be diminished a little, which makes sense because in fresh training I can only do it to 80% on wario on the same BF platform you were using.

Didn't you say 100? or 120?

 

[DMG]

This doesn't make Pika any better vs Wario, especially if you need to catch him early on and keep Dthrow stale. Near the edge of a platform. With your back to it. lol.

But it is an interesting find. I might start testing DI myself against this.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

i know i never said that this will in any wy effect the matchup. its just there lol. and yes veng watch the vid. i have another vid with DI (though you cant see it)

 

[ssbbFICTION]

I actually remember finding something like this with falcos chaingrab (like on a platform the first one was normal but then you would throw them down and they would just stick there just like this one) but I forget which char it was on.

 

[neji32]

Stealth im sort of confused, the other guy said your Dthrow needs to be diminished a little, which makes sense because in fresh training I can only do it to 80% on wario on the same BF platform you were using.

Didn't you say 100? or 120?

Thats because attacks cant get stale in training mode ;D

 

[Veng]

Thats because attacks cant get stale in training mode ;D

Oh, thanks Neji!

So it goes to 120 or 100?

 

[Ussi]

Oh, thanks Neji!

So it goes to 120 or 100?

120

10PikasCGingWariotodeath

 

[Stealth Raptor]

added stages for the wario cg.

 

[Xiivi]

Hey, TheHulk, WNY's local DK player was the one who was doing this on the live feed. He was bored and forced san to be Wario so he could mess around. He finds lots of little stuff like this. Glad you found it interesting.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

so he was the one who found it? ill give him credit then. the fact of the matter is though that it opened a line of thought to a particularily devastating cg that we are testing out right now, which has the potential to turn one bad matchup around.

 

[Tagxy]

This doesn't make Pika any better vs Wario, especially if you need to catch him early on and keep Dthrow stale. Near the edge of a platform. With your back to it. lol.

Heh heh, it changes it a bit. Pika has a DAC reverse grab, so this is the first time it looks like it might actually be of some use to help set this up. Plus theres some CP's that have a good variety (and odd) places you can use it. Granted it is situational.

 

[neji32]

so hows this falco one i've been hearing about go???

 

[Ussi]

Norfair sounds like the ultimate sexy pikachu stage now.

 

[Blank Mauser]

Fthrow to DAC Reverse grab? Most likely not the most inescapable but it'd be pretty sweet, too bad it doesn't work on regular ledges too.

Kinda sucks for Wario since stages with platforms was what helped him with his grab release problems lol.

 

[Zylar]

Hmmm, bad matchups...

How platform/stage dependant is this new thing? Exactly the same as warios?

 

[Stealth Raptor]

yes but you can fthrow cg into it making an easier setup.

 

[Roxas215]

So this only works on wario and IC right? But IC can di out of it? Why the hell couldn't this work on dedede. ARRG

 

[neji32]

Stealth how do you do the falco one

 

[Stealth Raptor]

alright guys heres the vid for the edge cg. have fun trying to do it :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16xJrnVOrm0

 

[Ussi]

omg, this is... amazing.


If it goes past 50% this will make Falco's match up so much better. And since we can CG him to the ledge, it shouldn't be hard to set up.

 

[:mad:]

Have you tried Fox yet?
Chaingrab to the ledge, and downgrab until 60+%.
Unless they can DI out of it, it's a near perfect kill on FD.

 

[Ussi]

We already 9-1 fox with a CG to 70% + usmash already. Pointless to test fox.

So who falls at the same rate as Falco?

 

[Ussi]

Edit: double post ;_;

 

[Zylar]

The example shows it leading to 45%. Does it continue?
Also I think we need a list of stages that works on as well.

BTW this is an AWESOME find since these new "ledge/edge" tricks give us the option to completely shut down two higher tier chars. Especially Falco.
I'm afraid I'm going to go grab crazy next time I play a falco and get punished... ;_;

 

[Stealth Raptor]

yes it does till at least 90 on falco. prime messed up at that point. thats how hard it it.

 

[Ussi]

I found the fall speed list:



Jigglypuff -0.78
Samus -0.54
Olimar -0.47
Kirby -0.44
Lucario -0.40
Peach -0.37
Luigi -0.32
R.O.B. -0.32
Zelda -0.26
Marth -0.25
Toon Link -0.16
Ivysaur -0.16
Ness -0.12
Yoshi -0.05
Pit 0.00
Mario 0
Mr. Game & Watch 0.01
Ice Climber 0.07
Snake 0.16
Donkey Kong 0.20
Ike 0.28
Dedede 0.29
Wario 0.30
Charizard 0.33
Sonic 0.33
Pikachu 0.40
Zero Suit Samus 0.44
Link 0.46
Lucas 0.49
Diddy Kong 0.55
Meta Knight 0.68
Bowser 0.91
Ganondorf 0.91
Captain Falcon 0.92
Squirtle 1.05
Falco 1.23
Wolf 1.84
Sheik 2.21
Fox 3.41


Use this list to determine who gets owned?

 

[K 2]

It goes to 90% on Falco???

I think we need to change to pika:falco matchup ratio...

Pikachu might surpass Falco or DDD in terms of CG'ing if we keep finding these discoveries. XD

 

[KayLo!]

Indeed, as long as we can pull it off consistently.

Granted, even I was able to get it a few times, and if I can do it.... ANYONE can do it, lol.

 

[Ussi]

Hopefully... (in my case) it won't work on Ike >_____>;;

Someone test MK now! (Since his fall speed is... half of Falco's)

 

[Masky]

I have a feeling that the Falco thing can be made much easier to do, possibly by making use of the DAC grab. I'll try to figure it out later today when I get a chance.

 

[KayLo!]

I have a feeling that the Falco thing can be made much easier to do, possibly by making use of the DAC grab. I'll try to figure it out later today when I get a chance.

I'm... pretty sure that's what it is now. =X

 

[Masky]

Well... how am I supposed to know that if no one tells me? :/

 

[Zylar]

Hopefully... (in my case) it won't work on Ike >_____>;;

Someone test MK now! (Since his fall speed is... half of Falco's)

^This = ****!!! If we can grab him :/

Since DI doesn't seem to do anything, this is totally worth practicing/implementing even if it's uber hard.

@K 2 : DDD's CG is one hard record to surpass. But we can still have it as our goal.

5ive should TOTALLY put this in the part three of his pika vid guide.

It has always been good to be pika. But now it feels real good.

 

[gallax]

i think this would work on wolf. maybe MK...but probably not cuz its MK. someone test please...

 

[Ussi]

And remember to test Shuttle Loop out of it >_>, at least there is no invincibility frames on it in the air.