Pikachu CG on Wario.......and more?

[Stealth Raptor]

it doesnt work on mk. tried it last night.

 

[gallax]

but i would assume it works on heavy and fast falling chars. and i doubt it works on marth.

 

[Ussi]

Guess we should check Ganon and Bowser. But we don't want to make those match ups worse than they already are now do we? Leave the low tiers alone lol...

 

[Stealth Raptor]

no. i want to make them weep tears of fear when they see pika.

 

[Zylar]

It would be so hilarious if we did this so well against falcos they had to ban FD. :D

Anyways, does this apply to platforms? What stage's edges does this work on?
We need to fully explore this. Imma gonna try to test this if my mother doesn't eat my head out first... ;_;

 

[Stealth Raptor]

this cg only works on edges not platforms. why? i have no clue.

 

[Zylar]

Okay, here's what I think.
When you CG'd the falco, you're floating a little off the stage.
Once you've "landed" from the throw you shift back onto the stage.
Perhaphs platforms do not have that shifting property and you just fall down.

 

[Masky]

You can do an instant dash on the edge without falling off if you flick the control stick diagonally downwards (and then you can do a dash grab). Still hard, but I think it's easier than doing a DAC grab.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml56MRBZ-BQ

 

[Muhznit]

this cg only works on edges not platforms. why? i have no clue.

Perhaps the same reason for Ganondorf's Supper Jump.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

ganondorfs superjump working on the edge is cause doing it from the edge leaves him above the ground at the end or something like that. i dont think the same mechanic is at work.

 

[petre]

EDIT343:ok now i've got it. if you start with a fresh dthrow and falco is anything less than 28% he can airdodge out. at 28% and up starting with a fresh dthrow he cannot escape till higher percents.

also i just found out, once i had the falco off the stage with the dashgrab, i was able to use standing grabs.

EDIT9001: test results!
assuming a fresh dthrow, percents are...
fox: 28%-96%
sheik: 29%-100%
wolf: 32%-115%
falco: 28%-100%
(note: i'm not 100% sure on the ending percents, just the beginning ones)
earlier than these percents the character either A)can airdodge, B)will fall too far to regrab, or C)will grab the ledge.

however on all these characters as long as you dthrow them at the edge of the stage you can use the standing grab to regrab them from 0% (yes, even fox at 0%, ridiculous timing needed). you can take all of them up to their max percent with the standing grab.

also, the lower the percent you start at the less room for error you have.

haven't tested others yet, although i will.

 

[Kroova]

Wait, so you can do this at a ledge now? Doesn't have to be a platform?
Just face away from the stage, at the edge, and d-throw over and over again?
O.o

 

[petre]

Wait, so you can do this at a ledge now? Doesn't have to be a platform?
Just face away from the stage, at the edge, and d-throw over and over again?
O.o

no, this is a different cg. watch the vid on the last page of posts...

alright guys heres the vid for the edge cg. have fun trying to do it :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16xJrnVOrm0

 

[Stealth Raptor]

yeah make sure to read the OP. there are 2 different CGs. in fact im going to edit a little.

 

[Ussi]

basically the wolf and falco match up are starting to look in our favor since we can CG them to the edge to start this... Fox is already 9-1. this is over kill on him. Sheik we never see, they go all Zelda.

 

[neji32]

dashing at the ledge is hard as crap.....OOOOOHHH btw it works on snake. I forgot to tell you anther did it to me on my match with him. dont know percents

 

[Zylar]

I don't have anyone who could test this with me, so I just did with a lvl 9 cpu. Can't hurt right? Besides, they'd do crazy things humans won't so it could "explore" it a bit more.

I did standing at first, and then tried dash.

I don't think I was doing it wrong but
1. the falco would use UpB
2. I attempt a grab
3.a - I regrab him as a glow encircles him (Assumingly from the UpB animation.) but he never goes into the "pose".
3.b - It shows the flames of the UpB animation and he goes into the pose, but I still grab him.
3.c - I miss the first grab, try again and grab him.
3.d - I miss the first grab, try again, miss or take too long, and end up being hit.

I mostly started after the percentages listed above.
So, any ideas or explanations?

 

[Dr. Grandpa]

lmaoooooo you guys r so funny **** u guys k bye

 

[gallax]

wow i sense a little bit of hostility.

and dont try to talk to yoshi mains. they still cant get it in their heads that yoshi isnt a high tier char and will argue you to death that every matchup is at least even. who cares if his cg does like at most 20%. we can combo him with that much percentage.

 

[neji32]

Yoshi is high tier him and his ledge camp

 

[Zylar]

How did the Yoshi thing start here?

Anyways, can anyone test out Falco's UpB, I hope I'm wrong and didn't actually do the CG right.

 

[K 2]

Am I doing something wrong on the falco CG? I went to training mode. Then I pushed falco to the very edge of FD (using pikachu's front crawl). Then I dashgrabbed Falco, and did dthrow. The falco obviously didn't escape (It was set to standing in training mode), but after 50% or so, it was extremely obvious that a computer or a human falco could jump out of it.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

it was training mode. ie no decay ov moves.

 

[Zylar]

BTW I didn't do mine in training mode. It was an actual match vs a cpu.

 

[K 2]

so decaying the dthrow is essential to getting the CG on the edge to work?

 

[Zylar]

Yep, that way it makes it so that they don't bounce too far away.
The farther away they bounce, the more time it takes for them to fall back down.
The more time it takes to fall down, the more time they have to escape.

Seems like this really is similar to the Wario one where some decay is needed. Never thought decayed moves would be useful...

 

[KayLo!]

Didn't get to practice the CG over the weekend because of the tournament, soooo.....

How's it going for everyone else? Has anyone been able to do it consistently, or are we thinking this is too difficult to pull off realistically?

(I'm talking about the Falco CG, btw, not the Wario one.)