Pokedex Entry 11: Ike

[Ryusuta]

Tell you what. As an interested observer that isn't negatively effected by online play, I'd be happy to play against your guys' Ikes and see what we can divine from the matches. I'm personally of the opinion that Ike's at a slight disadvantage, but to be honest, I'm not 100% certain.

Plus, Ivysaur is my best of the three (Charizard, by contrast, is my worst), so it should serve to answer the discussion about their match-up if nothing else. Feel free to PM me or post here, and I'm sure we can work something out!

 

[Kinzer]

Can you play all the Pokemanz on wifi or something, because if not I would really only do that or just fight a really good Squirtle, I'm pretty sure that for Charizard and Ivysaur I got it as close to accurate as I'll ever get it. :/

 

[Onxy]

This post doesn't exist.

 

[Ryusuta]

Can you play all the Pokemanz on wifi or something, because if not I would really only do that or just fight a really good Squirtle, I'm pretty sure that for Charizard and Ivysaur I got it as close to accurate as I'll ever get it. :/

Don't be so sure. I'm really hesitant about some of the points you make about Ivysaur, and that seems to be the strongest point of contention, anyway. It's pretty much unanimously agreed at Squirtle is at a disadvantage against Ike, so there's really nothing to figure out.

 

[Kinzer]

Alright, Let's see what we can come up with then, I'll host the room, you probably already have my FC by this point anyway.

 

[Onxy]

Don't be so sure. I'm really hesitant about some of the points you make about Ivysaur, and that seems to be the strongest point of contention, anyway. It's pretty much unanimously agreed at Squirtle is at a disadvantage against Ike, so there's really nothing to figure out.

What about Ivy? Like what points?

 

[Ryusuta]

To be frank, Onxy, I'm inclined to agree with you on pretty much everything you said about Ivy/Ike's match-up. But I want to experiment a little more with it myself.

Alright, Let's see what we can come up with then, I'll host the room, you probably already have my FC by this point anyway.

I'm at school right now, but I can play tomorrow! Drop me a PM and let me know what time (specify time zone! ) works for you.

 

[Kinzer]

Aww man, I guess that means I'll have to find some other way to pass time.

Well, if i happen to catch you online tomorrow I'll drop a PM I guess, otherwise I have some unfinished business I need to take care of...

 

[Ryusuta]

Well, I might get back around midnight tonight (Mountain Time) if you want to play a quick set then. Otherwise, I'm sure we can still work something out later.

 

[Kinzer]

Nah, that's still a little too early for me (10 P.M. Pacific), I got a bunch of stuff I'm going to have to attend to once I'm done finishing this sentence, We'll figure some time tomorrow.

 

[Miles.]

Kinzer mine was a fairly poor showing for Ivy, you might want to play some others.

I was pretty affected by lag, I just very recently started playing online and have adapted to the way one must play online as apposed to real life.

 

[Steeler]

mmmm my squirtle is okay, i feel pretty comfortable with him once i get used to the input lag, since it varies by connection.

ALSO, something of note

if i go to hobo, and this is almost for sure, i will play arturito burrito in some matches at the tourney site. so it'll be offline with two experienced mains duking it out. not that everything should depend on it, but i felt this was necessary to say, because you cannot debate the fact that lag affects ike matchups more than almost every other matchup in the game.

 

[Onxy]

People wonder why he was overrated and this is why.

 

[infernovia]

Hobo 11 is going to be huge, maybe you can get more than one matchup information Steeler?

 

[Onxy]

He better xD

 

[infernovia]

If santi is going, then we could have something for Tlink matchup.

 

[Onxy]

I feel that it's an advantage for PT.

Squirtle being a neutral
Ivysaur being a 6/4
and Charizard being a 5.5/4.5 to 6/4

 

[infernovia]

Not that this is a Tlink discussion thread, but why does ivysaur have an advantage against tlink? His projectile game is way better.

 

[Miles.]

Not that this is a Tlink discussion thread, but why does ivysaur have an advantage against tlink? His projectile game is way better.

TLink is WAAAAAY better. Ivy can gimp TL but its really risky.

And TLink IMO has the best projectile game in the game.

 

[Onxy]

Not that this is a Tlink discussion thread, but why does ivysaur have an advantage against tlink? His projectile game is way better.

He has projectiles, so what. That's actually the only reason it's a slight advantage for Ivy. Ivy owns Tlink up close really badly. Out ranged, has overall more speed and range where it counts (aerial, and has way better tilts, but Tlink has better smashes). Toon Link's projectiles are actually really easy to PS, and I know of a video where someone does this vs a Toon Link very well.

 

[Steeler]

this isn't the place to discuss tlink

...but projectiles really really bother zard >_>

anyway, i'll play a lot of people, don't worry. right now my mother is a little angry with me but i'll convince her to let me go. or i'll just leave anyway. :D

 

[Toby.]

Onxy, is it this one?

It's my all time favourite brawl video.

Sorry for being off topic guys.

 

[Onxy]

Yes it is, I've been looking for that!

 

[Toby.]

My mind reading powers strike again!

The video is amazing

Everyone should watch it.

 

[PkTrainerCris]

Where are the ike mains???

edit: i agree with onxys numbers, but squirtle might at a disadvantage

 

[Toby.]

I think that squirtle is at a disadvantage. He has to work SO HARD to match the damage and knockback of ike. Being completely outranged doesn't help in the slightest.

 

[Steeler]

squirtle has to work hard all the time anyway lol

 

[Ryusuta]

I'd put Squirtle right around lower-neutral against Ike. Maybe a slight disadvantage, but I'd say 4:6 at the worst and 4.5:5.5 at best. Squirtle still has his pokes, throwing, size and edge guarding against Ike, and he should have nothing to fear from most of Ike's big kill moves.

 

[Onxy]

I am saying 4:6 from past experience, but I never really went Squirtle vs Ike full like I did once with Ivy and Charizard. So go ahead and find out please.

 

[Miles.]

I feel that it's an advantage for PT.

.

I concur.

10snorlax

 

[Onxy]

I concur.

10snorlax

Why Snorlax?

Also, are we going to put this as an overall advantage? It seems like the Ikes don't care anymore.

 

[Santi]

If santi is going, then we could have something for Tlink matchup.

I'm def. going to HOBO 11.

Tourney vids of my new PT?!?

Maybe =)

 

[Onxy]

I'm def. going to HOBO 11.

Tourney vids of my new PT?!?

Maybe =)

You're Santi, you don't main PT, you main Charizard. Rep for Charizard FTW! Lol.

 

[Steeler]

Santi should play me. ;D

Squirtle 4/6

Charizard 6/4

Ivysaur 5/5-6/4

seems to be the status of the matchup right now. i'll get to play arturito burrito this saturday too, although idk if anything would change. maybe one of us plays poorly, idk. i agree with that analysis for the most part...i think if squirtle backs off and doesn't play aggressively, he'll do better in this matchup. squirtle can shift grab almost anything...and water gun is nice too, as long as you shoot before ike is too below the stage to hit him with it. for the lulz squirtle could try to backwards full hop as ike moves into aether position and water gun, perhaps pushing him into fd's gimp cove or something. idk if water gun affects aether though.

 

[Onxy]

Ivysaur has the advantage, trust me. Charizard does a big worse because he is slower than Ivy, with about the same over all range.

 

[Steeler]

but with flamethrower.

flamethrower is seriously huge in this matchup.

6/4 ivyzard mehbeh?

 

[Onxy]

Not as huge as you think, because Ike can use Fair if he can jump over it. Vinewhip/bair is actually big in this matchup, because if forces Ike to approach you from the ground most of the time.

 

[Steeler]

yeah but you should be aiming flamethrower upward anyway. the ivy points are good, although i'm not great at putting them to use.

 

[Onxy]

I know, but still Charizard can get hit. It works on Ike, but not as well as things like Vinewhip/bair do.

 

[Steeler]

yeah. using flamethrower proactively >>> reactively though. you are better off shieldgrabbing or just getting out of the way when ike fairs you.