"Rate My Moveset!" :: Moveset Critique Thread

[Riddle]

Also killing dedicated special walls.

Chansey can't do anything to Rank and he 2HKOs at +6 I believe.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Yeah. Ulgamoth will generally have a difficult time against Heatran, so Flamethrower seems better.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Ulgamoth can be a huge ***** in the sun if you lack SR. It's one of those Pokemon that isn't TOO threatening but if your opponent sends it in at the right time it can pretty much lead to a swift gg.

 

[kirbyraeg]

holy hell this set is so weird but this thread deserves a bump anyway, so...

Dotekkotsu @ Evolution Stone
252 HP/96 Atk/160 SpDef (arbitrary, could maybe use more spdef, but this seems like a good mix)
Adamant / Guts

Bulk Up
Drain Punch
Mach Punch
Payback/Earthquake/Stone Edge

Payback is the better attack here, since he isn't aiming to KO, just to set up as much as he can and be a pain in the *** hitting stuff. Here's a log with some crazy calcs. Granted, the guy's team sucked, but this still shows off just how ridiculously specially bulky it is. It hits 374 hp/309 def/264 spdef before setup, and though its attack is a bit lacking, that's the point of the set, since roob's big weakness is that he can't always survive to hit back against things. Here's a log that shows his bulk and awesomeness:

Spoiler

Battle between RandomTeamRNG and Team Rocket -ShoVeL- started!

Tier: Dream World
Variation: +36, -43
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause

Team Rocket -ShoVeL- sent out Politoed!
RandomTeamRNG sent out Steelix!
The foe's Politoed's Drizzle made it rain!

Start of turn 1
The foe's Politoed used Surf!
It's super effective!
Steelix lost 353 HP! (99% of its health)
Steelix held on thanks to Sturdy!

Steelix used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Team Rocket -ShoVeL-'s team!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 2
Steelix ate its Custap Berry!
Steelix is already preparing its next move!
Steelix used Explosion!
Steelix fainted!
The foe's Politoed lost 98% of its health!

The foe's Politoed used Surf!
But there was no target...

Rain continues to fall!
RandomTeamRNG sent out Hihidaruma!

Start of turn 3
Hihidaruma used U-turn!
The foe's Politoed lost 1% of its health!
The foe's Politoed fainted!
RandomTeamRNG called Hihidaruma back!
RandomTeamRNG sent out Tsunbeaa!

Rain continues to fall!
Team Rocket -ShoVeL- sent out Feraligatr!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Feraligatr!

Start of turn 4
Tsunbeaa used Yawn!
Tsunbeaa made the foe's Feraligatr feel drowsy!

The foe's Feraligatr used Dragon Dance!
The foe's Feraligatr's Attack rose!
The foe's Feraligatr's Speed rose!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 5
The foe's Feraligatr used Waterfall!
Tsunbeaa lost 393 HP! (100% of its health)
Tsunbeaa fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Feraligatr fell asleep!
RandomTeamRNG sent out Dotekkotsu!

Start of turn 6
The foe's Feraligatr is fast asleep!

Dotekkotsu used Bulk Up!
Dotekkotsu's Attack rose!
Dotekkotsu's Defense rose!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 7
The foe's Feraligatr is fast asleep!

Dotekkotsu used Bulk Up!
Dotekkotsu's Attack rose!
Dotekkotsu's Defense rose!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 8
The foe's Feraligatr is fast asleep!

Dotekkotsu used Drain Punch!
The foe's Feraligatr lost 75% of its health!
The foe's Feraligatr had its energy drained!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 9
Dotekkotsu used Mach Punch!
The foe's Feraligatr lost 12% of its health!
The foe's Feraligatr fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
Team Rocket -ShoVeL- sent out Golduck!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Golduck!

Start of turn 10
The foe's Golduck used Psychic!
It's super effective!
Dotekkotsu lost 208 HP! (55% of its health)
The foe's Golduck is hurt by its Life Orb!

Dotekkotsu used Drain Punch!
The foe's Golduck lost 77% of its health!
The foe's Golduck had its energy drained!
The foe's Golduck fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
Team Rocket -ShoVeL- sent out Kingdra!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Kingdra!

Start of turn 11
The foe's Kingdra used Surf!
Dotekkotsu lost 271 HP! (72% of its health)
The foe's Kingdra is hurt by its Life Orb!

Dotekkotsu used Drain Punch!
The foe's Kingdra lost 77% of its health!
The foe's Kingdra had its energy drained!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 12
Dotekkotsu used Mach Punch!
The foe's Kingdra lost 0% of its health!
The foe's Kingdra fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
Team Rocket -ShoVeL- sent out Starmie!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Starmie!

Start of turn 13
Dotekkotsu used Mach Punch!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Starmie lost 27% of its health!

The foe's Starmie used Psychic!
It's super effective!
Dotekkotsu lost 124 HP! (33% of its health)
Dotekkotsu fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Starmie restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
RandomTeamRNG sent out Hihidaruma!

Start of turn 14
Hihidaruma used U-turn!
It's super effective!
The foe's Starmie lost 66% of its health!
The foe's Starmie fainted!
RandomTeamRNG called Hihidaruma back!
RandomTeamRNG sent out Hitmontop!

Rain continues to fall!
Team Rocket -ShoVeL- sent out Sharpedo!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Sharpedo!

Start of turn 15
The foe's Sharpedo used Protect!
The foe's Sharpedo protected itself!

Hitmontop used Fake Out!
The foe's Sharpedo protected itself!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Sharpedo's Speed Boost increases its speed!
The foe's Sharpedo's Speed rose!

Start of turn 16
Hitmontop used Mach Punch!
It's super effective!
The foe's Sharpedo lost 87% of its health!
The foe's Sharpedo fainted!
Hitmontop is hurt by its Life Orb!

RandomTeamRNG won the battle!
Team Rocket -ShoVeL-: GG

 

[SSGuy]

I was thinking about this but I wasn't sure what I should do. I have a Meganium who knows Sunny Day to stack with Blaziken's fire type moves. This gives me a reason to drop Rain Dance for Manectric since her special attack is already ridiculously high. It's hard finding a decent moveset for Manectric since it doesn't have a large move pool to learn from. (Grassknot would have be the one I would like to use)

However, I thought about it for a bit and thought that maybe if I teach it magnet rise, that would be the best thing for it since it would avoid all ground types. What would recommend for a fourth move? If this works, she will have Thunderbolt, Overheat and Magnet Rise.

I'm hoping to find a good special steel move for her that does damage. (A counter to ground since a good amount has rock as another type.) Another option is volt switch. What do you guys think of it learning magnet rise? Good idea or bad idea?

 

[kirbyraeg]

If you were up for breeding, I'd suggest going for Hidden Power Grass, and using Flamethrower instead of Overheat, since without that hidden power he has no good moves to hit ground types with. If you can't breed you're basically stuck hitting ground types with Toxic, since nothing else is gonna give good damage output, and most ground types dislike poison. A good 4th move would be volt switch, since manectric is still going to be hit hard by any physical attack, not just Earthquakes, so giving it a way to deal damage and get out of there is a good thing. If you paired it up with rain, you could run Thunder over Thunderbolt. If you felt like going the extra mile and breeding moves onto it as well, you can breed Switcheroo onto it and you can give it a Choice item to mess up some stuff by switching items onto them.

All in all it should look like this:

Manectric @ Life Orb/Choice Specs
252 SpAtk/252 Spe
Timid(Modest) / Lightningrod

Thunderbolt
Flamethrower
Hidden Power Grass/Toxic
Volt Switch/Switcheroo

 

[O D I N]

Hey guys, question about Braviary;

His DW ability, Defiant, says his Attack is raised two stages when his stats are lowered.

If I'm using Superpower, does Braviary get *2* boosts to attack, or does it only count once?

I have an idea for Braviary on a Trick Room team, as his speed isn't very high, but his HP and Attack are decent. Here's what I was looking at (feel free to advise me as you see fit)

Braviary @ Choiceband/Life Orb/Leftovers?
Nature: Brave (hurr hurr)
EV: 252 Hp 252 Att 4 Def (can move around, but I'd like Att maxed)
Ability: Defiant (obviously DW setup)
-Brave Bird/Aerial Ace
-Superpower
-Shadow Claw/Uturn
-Rockslide/Uturn

Uturn isn't needed, but I've always liked having an option of GTFOing. The idea is that he'd be a sweeper, coming in off of a trick room. Since his speed is less than a lot of pokes (to my knowledge), he'd be a great fit. The Superpower is there for a great attack, plus attack boost. This obviously lowers my Def too, but that's why I'm hoping he'd come in and sweep. Stealth Rock is a problem. Rockslide/ShadowClaw for type coverage.

I've been out of the competitive scene for a while, but I just really like the potential this guy offers. Thanks for any and all feedback.

 

[Wave⁂]

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Defiant_(ability)

 

[O D I N]

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Defiant_(ability)

Balls. Thanks for clearing that up for me.


So on that note... Back to square one.

 

[kirbyraeg]

A lot of things that get competitive spirit would really like to be able to get boosts from self-inflicted drops.

but yeah, no dice. It would've borderline broken infernape and primeape, who would get a +4 boost from using Close Combat and is also fast enough to sweep with it. ;P

 

[O D I N]

Yeah, I can see how it would be very broken. Last time I played, there was more of a stat boost metagame rather than reduction.

 

[Tenodera]

Poor Braviary.. His stand-out qualities are still Bulk Up and Tailwind. Which aren't bad at all though.

What do we think about:

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Careful
252 HP/52 Atk/200 Spd (Warning: probably inefficient! Help wanted.)
Dragon Tail
Crunch
Thunder Wave
Substitute/Rest/Coverage move

Of course, this would be at its full effectiveness with entry hazards! Surprise paralysis spreading is surprising, too.

 

[Gates]

That set isn't bad, but there's just no real reason to use it over standard Tyraniboah. Since you don't have Focus Punch, Flamethrower, or Ice Beam, a lot of TTar's counters can come in on him and not worry about having to deal with him, assuming they aren't afraid of paralysis (many aren't, including Conkeldurr, Excadrill, Gliscor, Garchomp, etc.). Paralysis moves also seem pointless with Dragon Tail since you'll always have that negative priority. Frankly, Dragon Tail doesn't seem that necessary since Boah forces enough switches on his own.

 

[kirbyraeg]

I think that would be better optimized by running Substitute/Thunder Wave/Ice Beam/Crunch, with the following set:

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
252 HP/24 Spe/60 SpAtk/172 SpDef(Atk)
Sassy / Sand Stream

Substitute
Thunder Wave
Ice Beam
Crunch/Dark Pulse

Even with no atk investment, you have a real shot at wearing down chansey/blissey in a final 1v1 scenario because of the defense drop chance and parahax enabling you to get the edge and recover more health. Ice Beam 1hkos 252 HP Gliscor and has decent power. If you wanted to you could run atk, taking it from spdef, but then it's just a boahtar running thunder wave over focus punch, and that isn't very useful, lol. Use its bulk to spread status. If you ran two special attacks, you could get away with running Calm and moving the speed EVs somewhere else.

 

[Tenodera]

Gracias! I think I'll run Calm and Dark Pulse...

 

[Bing]

Hey Guys. So Im playing Pokemon FireRed and I was wondering what you guys thought of my team.
Im only at the 4th gym. But im going to post my eventual "plan" if you will.

Jigglypuff - WIll be Wigglytuff soon. Nature is +Speed -Sattack(Sorry im having a blonde moment)
Rest, Sing, BodySlam, Mimic.

Ivysaur - Will Be Venusaur Nature is Rash(was starter)
SolarBeam, LeechSeed, Sunnyday, Growth

Krabby - Will be Kingler Nature is Addy
CrabHammer, Mudshot,Guillotine, SwordsDance

Tauros - Swagger,Rest,Takedown,Rage Nature is Addy

Pikachu - Will Be Raichu. Nature is Rash
QuickAttack, Thunderbolt, Thunderwave,DoubleTeam

Growlithe - Will Be Arcanine
Agility, Flamethrower,ExtremeSpeed,Light Screen.

I was debating on giving Arcanine Light Screen but i opted not too...

Give me some feed back please

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Wigglytuff wants the elemental punches over Rest, Body Slam, and Mimic.

Kingler wants X-Scissor, Iron Defense, and Return somewhere in the moveset. It's up to you how you want to splice the moves in.

Pikachu wants Slam over Double Team.

The rest of the team looks solid.

 

[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

I have Kingler and it knows Break Brick, X Scissor, Crabhammer, and Sword Dance. I wanted Iron Defense but don't know how he can learn it.

 

[Wave⁂]

I refuse to help you to desecrate a Kingler by teaching it such a terrible move.

 

[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

Ouch... /=

 

[The Real Gamer]

Guillotine, SwordsDance

legit combo is legit

let the haters hate bing... keep doin yo thaaang

 

[Terywj [태리]]

It's a pretty solid team, just could use come polishing.

 

[kirbyraeg]

i remember way back in the day when i had a hydro pump/thunderbolt/blizzard/hyper beam gyarados

even when i was 8 i was competitive

get on my level

 

[Wrath`]

Back in gen 2 I had

Typlosion
~Ember
~Flame Wheel
~Flamethrower
~Rock Smash

so bad.....

 

[Wave⁂]

To be fair, it's not like Typhlosion learns any good moves that aren't Eruption

 

[Bing]

I have Wigglytuff the way I do just to open up, Its purpose is pretty much to Sing, The rest is just fillers but also as a last resort. Mimic is really useful.

Kingler... Is Kingler.

And Im playing FireRed, and Im just playing threw the game, therefore, mass competitive combos and stuff are not needed.

I did however make a 7th to switch Wiggs outs for.

Blissey - ev'd in Hp defense and Sdefense
Toxic
Light Screen
Reflect
Minimize

I love it XD

 

[Daddy Ash]

I had an almost exact typhlosion set-up wrath, such a bad move pool for a starter :/
Also in black my gyra has surf/earthquake/t'bolt/ice fang such a good coverage can stop pretty much anything ingame wise, need a better ds to wi-fi battle though

 

[Bing]

I love how everyone pretty much uses the same pokemon...

No originality.

its beautiful?

 

[Wave⁂]

Why be original when I can have fun and win?

 

[Bing]

I'd rather have fun trying to be original.
Like, yeah, some of the ones commonly used are ones that I might use. But I really do wish more people had more originality.

But to who his own I suppose

 

[E123-omega]

Wigglytuff wants the elemental punches over Rest, Body Slam, and Mimic.

Wigglytuff gets Tbolt, ice beam, and fire blast/flamethrower, why botherwith elemental punches when the beams are TMs and play off of her slightly higher Sp. attack and have more base power.

 

[Wave⁂]

I'd rather have fun trying to be original.
Like, yeah, some of the ones commonly used are ones that I might use. But I really do wish more people had more originality.

But to who his own I suppose

Paras @ Choice Specs
Modest / Dry Skin
252 HP / 252 SpAtk
Sludge Bomb
Energy Ball
HP Fighting
Dig

Where does the fun come in?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

To be fair, it's not like Typhlosion learns any good moves that aren't Eruption

Earth Powe--oh wait.

Wigglytuff gets Tbolt, ice beam, and fire blast/flamethrower, why botherwith elemental punches when the beams are TMs and play off of her slightly higher Sp. attack and have more base power.

You took me seriously. /disappointment

 

[Bing]

so just sayin...

If your playing Red,Blue or Yellow, Toxic + Wrap = ****

It just does 5 straight turns of toxic damage, aka increasing poison and 5 turns of wrap damage and they cant do anything...

 

[Wave⁂]

Massive slowpoke.jpg

 

[Terywj [태리]]

so just sayin...

If your playing Red,Blue or Yellow, Toxic + Wrap = ****

It just does 5 straight turns of toxic damage, aka increasing poison and 5 turns of wrap damage and they cant do anything...

That's not a moveset. Well it could be, but not.

 

[_Dice]

So my pokemon black troll team is 6 blissy's
all HP and Attack EV
Softboiled
Substitute
Echo Voice
Round

for funsies, good luck getting through about 40800 hp :D

 

[Wave⁂]

mfw conkeldurr

 

[Bing]

That's not a moveset. Well it could be, but not.

I do it with Arbok, I just did Toxic, Screech, Wrap and Bite.

Screech is great to do between the toxic and wrap...

 

[IsmaR]

mfw conkeldurr

That's a funny way to spell Scrafty.