even without the infinite, d3 can still do the walking dthrow cg, which racks up crazy damage, without being an actual infinite...
<3Tell that to Attila
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[SA] Brawl Power Rankings v6.0 - UPDATE (7/12)
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It has no hitlag, so there's no time to SDI......Tell that to Attila
The best you can do to get out is just hold up lol.
Silfa
Smash Ace
This is the worst post in the world.
Without any of the silly chaingrabs (standing, walking), DK does fine against DDD. I've only played against one DDD who could do the infinite anyway, so it's not much of a problem lol.
DK 4 pres.
With Punch time Ganon is a fine character.
But why would we give him punch time lol.
Anyway I think Grim was joking about Eagle's mains being the reason he shouldn't be higher.....
Silfa
Smash Ace
wut.
What does that have to do with chaingrabs in the DDD vs DK matchup? If someone can't use the infinite, that means the DK will have an easier time. It's not a matter of choice like the ganon punch if you simply can't do the infinite.
What does that have to do with chaingrabs in the DDD vs DK matchup? If someone can't use the infinite, that means the DK will have an easier time. It's not a matter of choice like the ganon punch if you simply can't do the infinite.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Except... I can do the infinite...
And so can most of the people in this state...
And so can most of the people in this state...
Ant1
Smash Ace
Will this ever be updated? With me at no.4 spot obviously.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I lol'd so hard.
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yeah where is the huge gap:
1: Jamage
Everyone else.
What did you lol @ Grim Ant beat you and if he gets back into Brawl youll have no hope no matter which S Teir charachter you main and how gay you play
Also I dont think anyone agrees with your list Grim
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Exactly, Jamage's R.O.B. eats nubs for breakfast.
In fact, I was just wondering why R.O.B. is in the very middle of the tiers. Before I get into what I mean, allow me to first put out there that I have been playing for years, and I have watched MANY videos of the tournament masters.
My brother and I found out, through years of play, literally EVERY advanced technique in the game, except the Glide Toss, which we stumbled upon, but wrote off as simply hilarious. I was surprised to find that all the wacky observations we have encountered and adapted are actually defined in the glossary in the sticky topic above! Three of the particularly surprising terms that I could not believe had been widely known and utilized were the Glancing Blow (I just thought I had a glitchy game) and that effect where recovering at the right time from attacks that sent you flying results in an upward boost if you jump out/air dodge/whatever early enough (I cannot remember what it was called in the sticky), and the Glide Toss.
Now, I have been using R.O.B. against my brother lately, and he cannot seem to beat me. We think we know why, and we think it puts R.O.B. at the top of the tiers. I will be brief. R.O.B. has his air neutral. We call it 'The Spin.' It has that special hitbox like a sword, hence it goes right through anything except an attack with that same type of hitbox. It does 17% max, is relatively fast executing, has basically instant recovery on a barrier cancel, and is quite massive, killing at rather low percentages.
If he misses, he can just do his Ajab if the opponent tries to retaliate, or shield/roll. I am telling you, R.O.B.f is a crazy meat mountain who crushes bones with many attacks doing 15+%, survives to insane damages thanks to his weight, and has ridiculous horizontal recovery (Double Jump, Up B, Aerial, ANOTHER Up B, ARE YOU SERIOUS, aerial).
Next, check his roll. It goes like half screen. It makes him rather fast, nearly eliminating his speed problem on the ground, and a great character when it comes to the defensive game. It pretty much eliminates the need for his Glide Toss, which, with R.O.B., who needs to do most of his attacking from hops, is pretty much useless already unless you are looking to smash attack. DACUS'ing, however, in my opinion, is also a bad idea, because, in the time and damage it takes you to actually land a smash, you could have just used The Flip and killed you opponent by then.
Even though he has to fight mostly in the air, 3 of his 4 air attacks are pretty fast, and are quite massive. A major advantage he has is that nearly all his attacks move the opponent considerably, and can topple him from 0%, so his opponent gets little to no counterattack opportunity.
The only explanation I can find for why he is low on the tiers is that no one has used him seriously. I think he really keeps up, if not tops, the top tier characters.
I really do not like to simply shoot my mouth, and I am not one who thinks it right to shower a character in encomium, and never actually prove anything. Is there online for this somewhere, or is that simply wishful thinking? If not, please do not yell at me and stuff until you at least check out The Flip. Goes right through projectiles, goes right through attacks, goes right through faces. Please just give R.O.B. another shot and tell me what you thnk.
Final Comment: People have a tendency to think that posts from newcomers to a board but veterans of its respective game are saying they are better than everyone else, regardles of what the post actually says. Please note that I did not say 'I am better than you' or 'R.O.B. is better than Meta Knight.' I said, essentially: 'R.O.B. seems to be great. These are his strengths. He may top Meta Knight. Check him out and see if you agree.' I will say, however, that I am a full master of R.O.B.
Please give R.O.B. a second look before responding so you know where I am coming from!
In fact, I was just wondering why R.O.B. is in the very middle of the tiers. Before I get into what I mean, allow me to first put out there that I have been playing for years, and I have watched MANY videos of the tournament masters.
My brother and I found out, through years of play, literally EVERY advanced technique in the game, except the Glide Toss, which we stumbled upon, but wrote off as simply hilarious. I was surprised to find that all the wacky observations we have encountered and adapted are actually defined in the glossary in the sticky topic above! Three of the particularly surprising terms that I could not believe had been widely known and utilized were the Glancing Blow (I just thought I had a glitchy game) and that effect where recovering at the right time from attacks that sent you flying results in an upward boost if you jump out/air dodge/whatever early enough (I cannot remember what it was called in the sticky), and the Glide Toss.
Now, I have been using R.O.B. against my brother lately, and he cannot seem to beat me. We think we know why, and we think it puts R.O.B. at the top of the tiers. I will be brief. R.O.B. has his air neutral. We call it 'The Spin.' It has that special hitbox like a sword, hence it goes right through anything except an attack with that same type of hitbox. It does 17% max, is relatively fast executing, has basically instant recovery on a barrier cancel, and is quite massive, killing at rather low percentages.
If he misses, he can just do his Ajab if the opponent tries to retaliate, or shield/roll. I am telling you, R.O.B.f is a crazy meat mountain who crushes bones with many attacks doing 15+%, survives to insane damages thanks to his weight, and has ridiculous horizontal recovery (Double Jump, Up B, Aerial, ANOTHER Up B, ARE YOU SERIOUS, aerial).
Next, check his roll. It goes like half screen. It makes him rather fast, nearly eliminating his speed problem on the ground, and a great character when it comes to the defensive game. It pretty much eliminates the need for his Glide Toss, which, with R.O.B., who needs to do most of his attacking from hops, is pretty much useless already unless you are looking to smash attack. DACUS'ing, however, in my opinion, is also a bad idea, because, in the time and damage it takes you to actually land a smash, you could have just used The Flip and killed you opponent by then.
Even though he has to fight mostly in the air, 3 of his 4 air attacks are pretty fast, and are quite massive. A major advantage he has is that nearly all his attacks move the opponent considerably, and can topple him from 0%, so his opponent gets little to no counterattack opportunity.
The only explanation I can find for why he is low on the tiers is that no one has used him seriously. I think he really keeps up, if not tops, the top tier characters.
I really do not like to simply shoot my mouth, and I am not one who thinks it right to shower a character in encomium, and never actually prove anything. Is there online for this somewhere, or is that simply wishful thinking? If not, please do not yell at me and stuff until you at least check out The Flip. Goes right through projectiles, goes right through attacks, goes right through faces. Please just give R.O.B. another shot and tell me what you thnk.
Final Comment: People have a tendency to think that posts from newcomers to a board but veterans of its respective game are saying they are better than everyone else, regardles of what the post actually says. Please note that I did not say 'I am better than you' or 'R.O.B. is better than Meta Knight.' I said, essentially: 'R.O.B. seems to be great. These are his strengths. He may top Meta Knight. Check him out and see if you agree.' I will say, however, that I am a full master of R.O.B.
Please give R.O.B. a second look before responding so you know where I am coming from!
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I don't know, I disagree with that Grim. Sure R.O.B's nair is good but it's so easy to avoid. What character is your brother playing against you?
I found being aggressive against a nair-happy R.O.B will get you killed, after playing a few decent R.O.B's and learning the matchup I find it pretty easy now.
I can beat any Aussie R.O.B main by simply planking with Pit.
I found being aggressive against a nair-happy R.O.B will get you killed, after playing a few decent R.O.B's and learning the matchup I find it pretty easy now.
I can beat any Aussie R.O.B main by simply planking with Pit.
Grim Tuesday
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I don't think you were reading my post correctly.
As I mentioned, I am a full master of R.O.B., so I obviously know about the lack of range on his air neutral. R.O.B. has a very strong ranged game because of both his Gyro Down Special Spinner and his Laser. By using these tools correctly, R.O.B. can force the opponent to approach, at which point he knocks them back with a fresh air neutral.
My brother has been switching from character to character to try and beat my R.O.B., but he just cannot seem to beat me.
I believe my R.O.B. could beat your Pit in a gamble match.
Final Comment: Please note that I did not say 'I am better than you' or 'R.O.B. is better than Pit.' I said, essentially: 'R.O.B. seems to be great. These are his strengths. He may top Pit. Play against me and see if you agree.'
As I mentioned, I am a full master of R.O.B., so I obviously know about the lack of range on his air neutral. R.O.B. has a very strong ranged game because of both his Gyro Down Special Spinner and his Laser. By using these tools correctly, R.O.B. can force the opponent to approach, at which point he knocks them back with a fresh air neutral.
My brother has been switching from character to character to try and beat my R.O.B., but he just cannot seem to beat me.
I believe my R.O.B. could beat your Pit in a gamble match.
Final Comment: Please note that I did not say 'I am better than you' or 'R.O.B. is better than Pit.' I said, essentially: 'R.O.B. seems to be great. These are his strengths. He may top Pit. Play against me and see if you agree.'
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Sure Grim, challenge accepted. I don't think you know about Pit's ability to make 99% of the cast to approach. I also don't think you know much about Pit's aerials. But hey, maybe ask one of your top SA players if you could beat me in a gamble match.
I know for a fact that R.O.B is a good character but I also think his place on the tier list is just. Maybe I read your post incorrectly but what I did get from it is "My brother can't beat my R.O.B, he must be one of the best characters".
I know for a fact that R.O.B is a good character but I also think his place on the tier list is just. Maybe I read your post incorrectly but what I did get from it is "My brother can't beat my R.O.B, he must be one of the best characters".
Grim Tuesday
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You STILL don't understand. I believe you are under-estimating my abilities as a full master of R.O.B.
My brother and I have been practicing the powerful barrier cancel, which, when combine with The Spin makes R.O.B. nearly unbeatable, even against Pit.
I am one of the top SA players, purely because of R.O.B.'s incredible offensive out-put. With many attacks that do 15+%, an amazing recovery, an impressive defensive and ranged game, not to mention... THE SPIN.
I am not saying that because I can beat my brother with R.O.B., he is one of the best characters. I really do not like to simply shoot my mouth, and I am not one who thinks it right to shower a character in encomium, and never actually prove anything. I'm just saying that you should not disagree with me until you at least check out The Flip. Goes right through projectiles, goes right through attacks, goes right through faces. Please just give R.O.B. another shot and tell me what you thnk.
You STILL don't understand. I believe you are under-estimating my abilities as a full master of R.O.B.
My brother and I have been practicing the powerful barrier cancel, which, when combine with The Spin makes R.O.B. nearly unbeatable, even against Pit.
I am one of the top SA players, purely because of R.O.B.'s incredible offensive out-put. With many attacks that do 15+%, an amazing recovery, an impressive defensive and ranged game, not to mention... THE SPIN.
I am not saying that because I can beat my brother with R.O.B., he is one of the best characters. I really do not like to simply shoot my mouth, and I am not one who thinks it right to shower a character in encomium, and never actually prove anything. I'm just saying that you should not disagree with me until you at least check out The Flip. Goes right through projectiles, goes right through attacks, goes right through faces. Please just give R.O.B. another shot and tell me what you thnk.
Silfa
Smash Ace
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Me? A troll?
Why I never.
I can't believe you would accuse me of such a heinous act of harassment.
Why I never.
I can't believe you would accuse me of such a heinous act of harassment.
Leisha
Top Tier Pillow
I stopped reading this thread after I saw rob should be top tier....
Just lol.
Kay bai
Just lol.
Kay bai
Grim Tuesday
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dean.
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Dedede vs. DK is very managable without infinites or small steps. 55:45 isn't out of the question.
And it's not that uncommon for neither of those to be in effect... like my region doesn't ban those but I don't infinite DKs/Marios because... it's dumb. And like I don't think Atomsk does either... or maybe I'm thinking of some other top Dedede.
Silfa's a champ. Also, I have time for R.O.B, but if you're saying stuff like MK invalidates DK then ZSS IIRC pretty much does the same thing to R.O.B with some infinite...
And it's not that uncommon for neither of those to be in effect... like my region doesn't ban those but I don't infinite DKs/Marios because... it's dumb. And like I don't think Atomsk does either... or maybe I'm thinking of some other top Dedede.
Silfa's a champ. Also, I have time for R.O.B, but if you're saying stuff like MK invalidates DK then ZSS IIRC pretty much does the same thing to R.O.B with some infinite...
lol GG
And, call me crazy, but I thought it was obvious that the ROB post was a troll...
Pretty sure it is.
ZSS doesn't instantly make ROB unviable with an infinite...
Fox beats ZSS, and he gets zero to deathed by down smash...
ROB has to get downsmashed by ZSS for the infinite to come into effect.
Fox beats ZSS, and he gets zero to deathed by down smash...
ROB has to get downsmashed by ZSS for the infinite to come into effect.
dean.
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I realize that... I was just comparing the matchup to stuff like DK/Dedede/Toon Link/Peach vs. MK, who all have their viability severely hurt because of that matchup. And I think ZSS still has a solid advantage vs. R.O.B. even without the dsmash infinite, IIRC.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Banning infinites is so dumb
The slippery slope fallacy walks all over it.
It was a troll >_>
I don't know how I could have made it any more obvious without putting
at the end.PuttingIt was a troll >_>
I don't know how I could have made it any more obvious without putting
at the end
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I don't see how putting an awesome smiley is more obvious than putting a troll smiley.
:D
:D
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Curse you and your semantics.
Curse you
Curse you
wh1te5had0w
Smash Journeyman
lol, post count.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
How about we just do the list that I said ages ago >_>
Nyah nyah, and other immature noises.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Ant beat me at the first Brawl tournament I had tried at since... well, forever. That is in no way an indication of skill, especially considering that I made a dumb suicide on the starter stage, which cost me the whole set.What did you lol @ Grim Ant beat you and if he gets back into Brawl youll have no hope no matter which S Teir charachter you main and how gay you play
I am 100% certain I would beat him next set we play.
Apart from Apollo (sort-of), Nova (sort-of), Ghostbone, myself and W150. Sure.
Funny that the only people who disagree are the ones in B Tier
The "sort of" ones coincidentally happen to be the best in the state. So if anyone had doubts about the list I'd want it to be them. In fact, Grim, it seems that the people that do agree with your list aren't panelists. And of those three panelists, 2 of them 'sort of' agree with you. Now, Josh was sure he was better than me but at the smashmeet I can't exactly say it was 'clear'. I beat his Olimar, he beat my DK, it was pretty even. Of course, this is just one given day, perhaps one of us was doing better/worse than usual. We even won and lost sets against eachother in the tourney! Granted, it was just a random only tournament. And **** Ghostbone.
Not really, Josh, I'm still giving you NTSC Brawl because I'm a nice guy.
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