Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

[DrewB008]

grabbing those characters at low % you cant do anything

after like 30 uthrow uair

before that, you gotta read em

rehab against spacies you gotta hit with falcons feet, or not even try to really beat it is the best idea probably

in dittos honestly its impossible to reliably outnair another falcon, sometimes you get lucky sometimes you dont, youre better off trying to just punish the nairs with a grab or something

 

[NES n00b]

d >_>b... So... Lately i've been playing lots with Falcon... So far I've been able to pull off consistently some combos here and there...

The thing is... I can't find good combo setups from grabs angaints; Marth and Sheik since those characters react too fast or dunno something...

Any good setup against those characters?

Downthrow against marth and if he DIs away regrab if he doesn't DI nair...Sheik good luck with that. LOL You can either downthrow and set up for techchase or upthrow and hope you know their reaction out of it.

Edit: This is all for low percents at higher percents like Drew says upthrow combos.

 

[JonaDiaper]

you can chain grab sheik with up throw at early percents if they di they dont di away i think

 

[DrewB008]

nah they can nair and hit you or jump out

you cant nair marth if he DI's away at low %, and im pretty sure you cant regrab either. generally you can tech chase but they dont actually have to tech either

if you can do those things, im impressed cause i cant do it

 

[tubes]

any tips on how to l-cancel dair properly, cant seem to fastfall and lcancel it.

get the dair out as fast as you can and it has the same timing as Falcon's other aerials.

 

[JonaDiaper]

nah they can nair and hit you or jump out

you cant nair marth if he DI's away at low %, and im pretty sure you cant regrab either. generally you can tech chase but they dont actually have to tech either

if you can do those things, im impressed cause i cant do it

at 0%? im sure they cant do anything out of a up throw except di

 

[demodemo]

so if falco and sheik are hard counters for falcon, what do you counterpick with?

 

[JonaDiaper]

falco

falco dittos are sexy if you get in the first hit, and i havent gone falco vs a sheik yet so idk...

but dont do the fox/marth thing like everyone else for the love of GOD

 

[demodemo]

lol really i'd honestly prefer anybody but falco (spacies in general) since my technical skill is pretty limited (jump cancelled shines are too hard right now)

but i guess that doesn't leave much of a choice left. I guess i'll work on those shine combos

 

[Ryan-K]

you can learn the fox v falco matchup, if you do it wrong you will get ***** but it's not too difficult to get down and **** in either

or you can try marth but sheik will still beat you unless you get **** at that matchup.

 

[JonaDiaper]

lol really i'd honestly prefer anybody but falco (spacies in general) since my technical skill is pretty limited (jump cancelled shines are too hard right now)

but i guess that doesn't leave much of a choice left. I guess i'll work on those shine combos

this whole thing is a huge john

"limited tech skill"

non sense

practice, everyone had to do it.

 

[Teczer0]

you can learn the fox v falco matchup, if you do it wrong you will get ***** but it's not too difficult to get down and **** in either

or you can try marth but sheik will still beat you unless you get **** at that matchup.

I think fighting Falco is one of the most difficult match ups to learn... .

Because he makes you feel like you should be shielding all the time. And falco ***** that D=.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

yah...or just switch to sheik and play smart :D


fighting falco sucks for everyone involved.

 

[I.B]

^ Truth. When in doubt, just switch to Sheik, noob.

nah they can nair and hit you or jump out

you cant nair marth if he DI's away at low %, and im pretty sure you cant regrab either. generally you can tech chase but they dont actually have to tech either

if you can do those things, im impressed cause i cant do it

Could you up-air him instead?

 

[DrewB008]

i really dont think so, but then again i didnt think you could do that other stuff and some people think you can so maybe its just me

 

[I.B]

I guess up-throwing, waiting for their aerial (most likely fair), then punishing would be one of the better options.

 

[DrewB008]

dhtrow is good at low % cause unless they DI away its really easy to get them, and if they do DI away most of the time theyll tech and you can tech chase them

dont tell anybody, but they actually have to tech, they cannot forward b or jump or something

but if you think theyre gonna fair after the uthrow thats a pretty safe bet too

last edited by scar for secrecy

 

[Scar]

yeah thats like first post in the greatest falcon thread ever

uthrow vs marth does nothing below 30% besides you getting faired, unless you wait for it but still nothing is guaranteed, marth can DJ away or wiggle out or whatever he wants really

dthrow combos into nair vs survival DI but we all knew that anyways

 

[MaNg0]

ahhhhhhh scar

 

[DrewB008]

i just got it nvm

 

[papermarkis]

darkrain says falco too

Actually Darkrain only says it's his personal worst match up. In general, he still agrees it's Sheik.

 

[GooeyBanana]

Okay, I'm going to ask a couple of questions, hopefully no one has asked them yet!!!

First off, I'm in need of some Fox & Falco matchup help. One of my friends I play has a pretty sick, techy Fox and the same can be said for his Falco(even though he says it sucks, who cares, it beats me still). Anyways, I'm mostly getting ***** in my shield with like...no choice to do...His Fox just shine, shffl bair, shine, wavedash behind me, shine, sex kick/bair/whatever or some kind of variation of that, and all I can think to do is shieldgrab, and sometimes that doesn't even hit =(. So basically, how do I deal with these two's shield pressure game? Any other tips that might aid me in the Fox & Falco matchup as well? Only thing I know is to try my best at tech chase .

Onto the second thing...rather basic but I'm hearing two different stories on this. Now, when I'm ledge attacking, I usually press back and then jump and DI towards the stage and use an aerial, but one of my friends says I should press down instead of away, while the other agrees with what I'm currently doing. Can anyone shed some light on this issue please?

Thanks in advance =D!!!

 

[strangely mundane]

You can buffer your rolls with the c-stick, as for the ledgehop attacks pressing away is better as you don't fastfall running the risk of suiciding.

 

[Ja]

Why is g-reg so good at shield grabbing spacies? Is there a trick to it?

 

[DrewB008]

gooey banana do w/e you want for ledgehop, it doesnt really matter

you can stomp out of shield as long as he shines after every aerial, do it asap after the aerial and youll be higher than the shine. when that stops working, wd out of shield and stuff

ryzol i dunno i suck at shieldgrabbing, if they hit above your head though go for it is all i can say

 

[I.B]

^ the stomp oos doesn't sound like it would work if they aim lower on your shield.
correct me if i'm wrong though.

 

[philbobjoe]

Well since this is Hax$'s Thread, I would like to say wow on his placement at Revival.

 

[NIXN]

Wat can i do against a marth? I play me friend and he just freaken reads me since we have been playing so long, and so i want to know if there is a best method to use against marth. Ideal combos.

 

[Hax]

big d is amazing.. now i'm tight with both the makers of my thread

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

Dear Scar,

I met you at Mass Madness whatever it was. I talked to you and Wife for a bit while we were grabbing food. You and Wife encouraged me to try Melee despite how daunting it was. I entered a super tiny Melee tourney Saturday, and did not come in last place. I owe it to you.

It's nice to stop playing brawl and combo people and be able to follow up Rapter Boost with stuff rather than... y'know, nothing. Thank you.

From,

That guy whose girlfriend wants to sleep with you cause IKM2 was so **** great.

 

[JonaDiaper]

lolololololol

 

[MaNg0]

Scar .... Myfalcon *****

^_^

 

[Divinokage]

You destroyed Cactuar's Fox, what the hell! lol.

 

[MaNg0]

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


yeah

 

[DrewB008]

mango i didnt stay and play you at all, sorry

hax$ maybe i'll go fox on you next time judging by our one stock match, or maybe i'll just learn to play so i can keep up with falcon

 

[Divinokage]

Well if Mango can do the Falcon/Fox very well.. then i don't know.

Does Fox really **** Falcon? =P I'm doubting the matchup a bit more now.

 

[Hax]

falcon has no bad matchups noob

 

[Divinokage]

Ya well Ganon has no bad matchup too! =D

 

[Da Shuffla]

I think Fox has an advantage given Falcon's low traction and fast-falling. The matchup isn't ****, though.

 

[DrewB008]

hax dude i need that john take it easy