dguy6789
Smash Lord
Darn I got found out.
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This is true. Fireballs aren't that hard to dodge, and his aerial game isn't as good as Luigi's.i just dont see how mario is even as hard as luigi or wario.
you guys talked about fireballs so much i wanted to stab my eyes out... they really arent that big of a frekain problem... if he shoots em low, then jmp over them, if he shoots em high, run under them, either way... spot dodge? p-sheild? fair eat? and actually im pretty sure u can always time a SD/SC to go under them.. no matter how they are fired. its just not a big deal seriously.... wolfs lazers and pits arrows are WAY more annoying than marios fireballs.... arent they too slow anyway?
on the other attacks... well mario is kinda similare to luigi and wario.. but i think wario and luigi have better aerials right? but mario isnt too far from them in that respect even if he is better.... so what gives? IMO mari = even matchup. (tho it would make sense for them to make mario better in a NINTENDO product right? lol)
Fireballs aren't used alone. You jump, and you're begging for an aerial fight (you want this against Mario??), you shield, and he'll grab you. etc.i just dont see how mario is even as hard as luigi or wario.
you guys talked about fireballs so much i wanted to stab my eyes out... they really arent that big of a frekain problem... if he shoots em low, then jmp over them, if he shoots em high, run under them, either way... spot dodge? p-sheild? fair eat? and actually im pretty sure u can always time a SD/SC to go under them.. no matter how they are fired. its just not a big deal seriously.... wolfs lazers and pits arrows are WAY more annoying than marios fireballs.... arent they too slow anyway?
on the other attacks... well mario is kinda similare to luigi and wario.. but i think wario and luigi have better aerials right? but mario isnt too far from them in that respect even if he is better.... so what gives? IMO mari = even matchup. (tho it would make sense for them to make mario better in a NINTENDO product right? lol)
He told me you had a really good Sonic.I'll try to play BO X7 later today. He's a decent Mario who plays online and goes to tournaments. We had some pretty close matches at the last live event we went to. It'll either show what to do or what not to do.
I did?Tenki once said in another thread that anything is possible in brawl, the game is balanced, but when its stated that something gives one character a advantage, we are saying its harder to do a certain thing to that char.
I did?Tenki once said in another thread that anything is possible in brawl, the game is balanced, but when its stated that something gives one character a advantage, we are saying its harder to do a certain thing to that char.
Cool, you can just relay what you thought of the matchup to the folks over here. I'll go ahead and do the same for the Marios.Hay Matador, I'd like to play you sometime later =D
Don't record me though ;__; I'm a ghost.
Well... if you want to, I'll be available in a couple hours... if you have aim or something we can figure out when we can play.He told me you had a really good Sonic.
If any of you play online, I wouldn't mind having a few Mario vs Sonic matches. I can record too, so I'll get them up on youtube for matchup reference. EC only tho plz
I forgot to try out Luigi's mansion to see if it truly made things more difficult for Mario.I just finished matches with both Tenki and darkNES. Both are ridiculously good Sonics with very different playstyles.
vs Tenki:
I had to cut these short due to domestic complications, but suffice it to say that out of the 5 Mario vs Sonic matches we played, I can pretty much conclude that the matchup isn't adv. Mario. Fireballs are too easily powershielded by Sonic to control the match like they should in theory. That hop during Sonic's sideB that allows him to go through fireballs also punishes the ending lag of it even if done from a distance because of how quickly Sonic can capitalize off of the lag. The damage you'd eat often isn't worth it either. I don't find approach for Sonic a problem at all.
Though Sonic's movement speed can easily help him land a pivotted Fsmash, Sonic's KO power is definitely a problem, even unstaled. I honestly don't believe I would've won any of the matches if I wasn't KOing Sonic at near 80% from an Fsmash.
I find that edgeguarding is severely hampered in this matchup, but still semi-effective against Sonic. Fludd mostly works when Sonic recovers lower because he cannot sweetspot his upB, so it'd at least give you time enough to get close enough to land an aerial of Usmash during the Fludd. Caping Sonic's sideB recovery doesn't gimp him, but makes his recovery a little more restricted and predictable. More often than not, however, it isn't worth it. Sonic can gimp Mario much easier than vice versa.
vs DarkNES:
I got to play many more matches against DarkNES than against Tenki, so I got a much better analysis of his Sonic. It seemed that he used more tactics better suited for fighting Mario overall, and made the matchup even more difficult to pull a victory.
His more frequent use of tilts made approach (even Bair WoPs, and spaced Nairs) very difficult. He also powershielded fireballs and put me in terrible positions for Dthrow techchasing. Comboing was near impossible because of his upB, though I find that the predictable Dair trajectory afterward made for pretty decent punishing even though it autocancels. Grounded, I got *****. In the air, I was able to gain some headway, and string together a few combos. Sonic's Bair also screwed approach because of its priority and range.
Again, I only think I won at all ver DarkNES because of how easy it is to KO Sonic with an up-angled Fsmash. Actually landing it was difficult and risky because of the ending lag, but it KOs at 90% unstaled on average; around 80% from the edge.
I believe even more firmly that the matchup is 50:50.
Ah, mkay, awesome. =O Sorry if I sound like a jerk, lol.Ok cool. Well what stages did you win on? And was there a reason?
@aeghrur: DK will get started probably Saturday or Sunday, which is tomorrow or the next day for me.
LoL... I'm still on page 2. Suggestion: Make sure if you're going to list where certain character discussions begin... you go by post number instead of "page." Post numbers never change in a thread, but your settings determine how many posts are on each page.ok well i want it to start on the top of page six... so yer... itll start in 5 posts time.
From the edge of BF or FD, I was KOing Sonic between 80-89% with an unstaled, up-angled Fsmash. The numbers surprised me as well, but I'm most certainly not lying if that's what you're suggesting.where on earth are these 80% KO numbers coming from. is marios fsmash stronger than the snake utilt now?