Stage Information Database and Q&A

[Grim Tuesday]

This is the most pointless tease ever.

It's not even building hype, lol, I just wanted to know who was bad on Norfair.

 

[WindMajor]

Well one of them is on your postbit.

The other one's name starts with a letter found within M-Z in the alphabet.

 

[Ghostbone]

Ice climbers and Zelda?

Wait luigi mains didn't think it was bad for him?
O.o

 

[WindMajor]

I know right.

 

[Life]

If almost every character likes Norfair, clearly it must be an overpowered MK stage, BAN

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

ICs and DDD are garbage on the stage.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

We're not banning the stage because of characters but because it's unviable in competitive play.

 

[Life]

We're not banning the stage because it's unviable in competitive play but because we think it's gh3y.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

We're not banning the stage because of characters but because it's unviable in competitive play.

Stop posting, Gheb.

Just... stop.

 

[WindMajor]

We're not banning the stage because of characters but because it's unviable in competitive play.

May I ask why you think this?

Just curious.

 

[Tesh]

its janky dats why

 

[ぱみゅ]

I'd bet Charizard were one of them

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

We're not banning the stage because of characters but because it's unviable in competitive play.

K, first define what is viable in competitive play, explain why this is logically necessary, then explain why this doesn't fit in it.

 

[Ghostbone]

inb4 random lava does damage.
Oh and some stage layout = camping.

 

[Life]

My assertion is better-founded than Gheb's.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I took damage from an opponent that bounced off the lava that randomly appeared on the side after I hit him. Not only did the lava safe him completely but I also took damage for something I had no influence over whatsoever. Idk if you actually can die from it but 16ish % is already too much plus the fact that you can *not* anticipate something like that to happen. You literally get punished for doing the right thing.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

You can't actually die from it unless you're offstage.

And Gheb that's not an argument, after all MK is legal, do the right thing against him and you're still in a bad position.

Also BPC Norfair is actually good for Dedede in specific MUs.

Just doesn't matter because they'll just CP with MK.

 

[Ghostbone]

I took damage from an opponent that bounced off the lava that randomly appeared on the side after I hit him. Not only did the lava safe him completely but I also took damage for something I had no influence over whatsoever. Idk if you actually can die from it but 16ish % is already too much plus the fact that you can *not* anticipate something like that to happen. You literally get punished for doing the right thing.

Because it's not like you have a 10 second warning it's coming at all.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Doesn't the screen zoom out when it happens? Lol. There is some cue, at least.

 

[Tesh]

Gheb is right to an extent. Even though there is suitible warning from neutral positions, you could get hit by a strong attack before these warnings appear and you could wind up being affected.

Also that glitch with the capsules.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Gheb is right to an extent. Even though there is suitible warning from neutral positions, you could get hit by a strong attack before these warnings appear and you could wind up being affected.

To the extent that it is worse than Yoshi's Island (Brawl)'s acceptable randomness?

 

[Tesh]

No, but people tend to feel more cheated by a massive wall of fire that does damage.

People just don't seem to care as much about random defensive things.

 

[Ghostbone]

Umm, you have plenty of warning before it even crosses the blast zone afaik.

 

[WindMajor]

Over 5 seconds of warning time. :3

 

[-LzR-]

With MK banned, are there any stages that could be legalized without worry of him ****** everyone?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Skyworld immediately comes to mind.

 

[-LzR-]

I am going to have a hard time convincing anyone to even consider Skyworld lmao.

 

[adumbrodeus]

...

Skyworld?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Skyworld is fine.

You can break the blocks to prevent circle camping, and without Meta Knight's tornado spam + easy scrooging, it's probably legit.

I doubt there would be an over-centralization on teching, and the "issue" of people not being able to grab the ledge if the block is broken is just a counter-pick quality, not broken at all.

 

[Ghostbone]

The blocks do regenerate really quickly though :/

 

[Life]

It's 11ish seconds, could be worse.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I'm not gonna say it's 100% legit, but I've never seen anything to suggest it should be banned (other than MK's dominance) and I don't think it should be dismissed as a suggestion.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Hanenbow.

I could go into it but I'm lazy.

 

[Kuro~]

Haha skyworld would be interesting to test. First thing that comes to mind as far as complaints go is bad players whining about the easy jab lock opportunities(which isn't a problem if you learn2tech)

 

[Ghostbone]

Naa you can accidentally buffer the tech window and be unable to tech trying to do other stuff.
Like air-dodging to the ground and shiz.
Idk if that hurts the legitimacy of the stage at all though.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Ban any stage you can be stagespiked on then.

 

[WindMajor]

^ Bingo.

Stage assisted kills are bad, which must mean that stage-spiking is bad, because I probably would have lived had the stage not have been there.

 

[Life]

You also would have lived had the opponent not been there.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

Haha skyworld would be interesting to test. First thing that comes to mind as far as complaints go is bad players whining about the easy jab lock opportunities(which isn't a problem if you learn2tech)

Jab locks aren't even legit. You can easily DI away from them.You may get like two free hits off of them but that's about it.

 

[Life]

Apparently Virginia just got hit by an earthquake. All my friends felt it shaking up here in PA but I didn't feel a thing...