Success and Popularity of all Characters

[John12346]

Update for 3/24/12

We hit $10k!

Update Info

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Character
Marth: 132.83
Fox: 27
Peach: 14
R.O.B.: 30
Falco: 76.67
Luigi: 6.67
Dedede: 6.67
Snake: 45.83
Diddy: 104
Pikachu: 25.5
ICs: 67.33
Zamus: 25.5
Olimar: 19.5
Pit: 19.5
Wario: 125
TLink: 5

User
Marth: 143.5
Fox: 27
Peach: 14
R.O.B.: 30
Falco: 90
Luigi: 20
Dedede: 20
Snake: 81.5
Diddy: 183
Pikachu: 51
ICs: 137.5
Zamus: 25.5
Olimar: 39
Pit: 39
Wario: 125
TLink: 10

Player
Jester Kirby Marth: 95
Talon Fox: 27
Tatsumaki Peach: 14
****** R.O.B.: 30
LBoss Falco: 20
LBoss Luigi: 20
LBoss Dedede: 20
Viper Falco: 10
BigLou Diddy: 60
BigLou Snake: 60
Player-3 Marth: 30
Player-1 Diddy: 10
ESAM Pikachu: 51
ESAM ICs: 51
Nick Riddle Zamus: 25.5
MVD Snake: 8.5
MVD Marth: 8.5
MVD ICs: 8.5
Dojo ICs: 78
Dojo Diddy: 78
Denti Olimar: 39
Denti Pit: 39
Infern Snake: 13
TheReflexWonder Wario: 125
kismet2 Falco: 60
Ragnarok Diddy: 25
Spade Marth: 10
Spade TLink: 10

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320199
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320180
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320178
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320179
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320157
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320163
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MK Legal Tournaments

Character
TLink: 280
Wolf: 132
Sonic: 83
Diddy: 63
Peach: 35
MK: 137.17
Pit: 27
R.O.B.: 27
Falco: 39.17
GaW: 67.5
Snake: 11
Marth: 11.67
Wario: 7
Fox: 14
Kirby: 1.5
Mario: 1.5
Zelda: 3
Ness: 3
Olimar: 3

User
TLink: 280
Wolf: 132
Sonic: 83
Diddy: 84
Peach: 35
MK: 191
Pit: 54
R.O.B.: 54
Falco: 76.5
GaW: 72
Snake: 11
Marth: 35
Wario: 21
Fox: 14
Kirby: 6
Mario: 6
Zelda: 3
Ness: 3
Olimar: 3

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320204
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320166
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320153
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320039

MK Banned Tournaments

MK Legal Tournaments

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Poor Bowser and Sheik on the MK Banned.

Although I like seeing the huge diversity. Snake is doing really effing well. But it's circumvented by how well multiple others are doing.

 

[bubbaking]

Poor Bowser and Sheik on the MK Banned.

Although I like seeing the huge diversity. Snake is doing really effing well. But it's circumvented by how well multiple others are doing.

C.Falcon and Sheilda also have almost no money. I'm actually kinda surprised about Sheilda...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

C.Falcon and Sheilda also have almost no money. I'm actually kinda surprised about Sheilda...

I was talking about the first column.

Bowser nor Sheik(alone) has gotten cash yet.

Others have, even low.

Sheilda really isn't that good. Their transformation time is very slow and easy to punish.

 

[bubbaking]

I was talking about the first column.

Bowser nor Sheik(alone) has gotten cash yet.

Others have, even low.

Sheilda really isn't that good. Their transformation time is very slow and easy to punish.

I know, I was also referring to the first column. Falcon and Z-Sheik each have below $8. Sheik not getting cash could possibly be attributed to Z-Sheik. For recovery purposes, the change might just be worth it.

Lolz, so many more 0's in the MK-Legal chart.

 

[infiniteV115]

Typically you don't just stand in front of your opponent and transform like an idiot, hoping that they won't do anything. You transform when you star KO them/hit them far offstage/when the two of you are separated by the stage (PS1, PS2, Delfino, maybe part of RC, etc)

 

[bubbaking]

As a rule, Sheilda is better than both Sheik and Zelda. It never hurts to have the option to transform.

 

[Vinylic.]

Shiek is easier to punish and hit than zelda from my prospective.

 

[bubbaking]

I don't think so. Shiek's defense is her speed and mobility. She can easily evade attacks that Zelda can't avoid.

 

[Uncle]

Bowser and Sheik for Bottom Tier! Even Ganon's making more money than them!

 

[Overswarm]

Subscribing so I don't have to keep searching for this

 

[bubbaking]

What does subscribing do exactly? I've done it for a couple threads, but I have not seen anything different when they get new posts. :/

 

[Overswarm]

When you hit User CP, any threads you've subscribed to (happens automatically when I reply to a thread) will show up if they have a new post. Otherwise, no new posts.

 

[bubbaking]

I see. Thanks a lot for the info!

 

[barakasauras]

...................

 

[infiniteV115]

John, when you provide the update of the week, do the numbers tell us the winnings for the past 7 days or does it tells us the collective winnings of every week since (but excluding) Apex?

 

[bubbaking]

I'm not much of a smasher, but even I can tell metaknight has something seriously wrong with him.


It's kind of crazy when mk is getting more than the top 3 or 4 combined....Snake's good and all but I'm seeing more diversity in the rankings with mk banned.

Ye s

 

[infiniteV115]

Lol
I saw you edit that post like 3 times and the first two times I was like "....wtf is this guy trying to say"

 

[bubbaking]

It was a moment of utter fail followed by.....more fail.

Edit: Btw, according to the OP, the data hasn't been updated for, like, 3 weeks. Am I missing something here? :/

 

[Fuujin]

tbh honest Shielda is kinda dumb,

at the tournament I went to and won money I technically used Shielda for like one match, so it SHOULD count.
but I think it should just go by whoever the player used more, and if they used both almost evenly it should count as Shielda.

 

[bubbaking]

What if a player went all Zelda for some matches and all Sheik for other matches and their usage was even? That data should be contributed to Zelda and Sheik seperately, not Sheilda, cuz the player utilized Zelda MU info for some matches and Sheik MU info for other matches. Imo, data should not be contributed to Sheilda unless a player actually switches between the two during a match. There's a reason Zelda loses to D3 and Sheik goes even with him but Sheilda beats him.

Edit: Sheilda's data would look weird but it would be an accepted oddity. Using Sheik and Zelda seperately during a tourney is accounted for with the "No split" and "Full Split" sections of John's data.

 

[John12346]

The update's coming. I've just been backed up by a lot of college work.

 

[Fuujin]

I agree with that actually.
Or if you go Sheik 95% of the match and switch to Zelda for a running u smash kill, I don't think that should necessarily count as Shielda.

 

[Tesh]

^Why not? Zelda sucks and she only makes sheik slightly more viable. The whole point of sheilda is using both to their potential. Shield poking with upsmash is all zelda has.

 

[Fuujin]

Because then it lumps those people who went Zelda for a whole 15 seconds of the match with the people who went Zelda 100%.

I suppose I'm just bias because thats the way flayl did his low/mid tier chart and it was pretty unfair imo.

 

[Tesh]

No, 100% zeldas are and 100% sheik is and people who use both to some extent (even if its just a little bit of zelda) are

 

[Fuujin]

Or rather I meant to say, it doesn't differentiate between someone who goes about 50%Sheik 50%Zelda.
I understand Sheilda's supposed to be "optimal uses of both" or w/e but thats practically Sheik 99% of the time.
It just seems a little silly to have an entire character added when it's basically Sheik 2.0.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It doesn't need to differentiate at all. That's almost impossible to collect perfect data for.

Shielda requires you to use both, plain and simple. No pedant variations of it.

Likewise, they're both gaining the same overall cash as a team regardless of what the split is. I don't see the difference in data overall that matters. And even then, we don't know if John#'s data is specifying anyway. Not that it needs it.

 

[Flayl]

Because then it lumps those people who went Zelda for a whole 15 seconds of the match with the people who went Zelda 100%.

I suppose I'm just bias because thats the way flayl did his low/mid tier chart and it was pretty unfair imo.

Because there was no way of knowing if a person went 100% Sheik/Zelda, also the ability to change is always present, you're not playing low tier only zelda or mid tier only sheik.

Just because people don't use it doesn't mean it isn't there.

 

[John12346]

Alright, update for 3/31/12.

4/7 will be coming, hopefully, later today.

Raw Data

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Character
Yoshi: 39
Dedede: 48
Wario: 119
Mario: 18
Snake: 86.25
Ike: 42
Kirby: 7
DK: 7
Falco: 37.25
Luigi: 5
Pit: 370
Olimar: 96
ICs: 13.25
Marth: 13.25
Lucario: 13.25
PT: 9
Diddy: 13
Link: 15
Wolf: 15
Peach: 15
R.O.B.: 2.5
TLink: 56

User
Yoshi: 78
Dedede: 105
Wario: 119
Mario: 23
Snake: 89
Ike: 42
Kirby: 14
DK: 14
Falco: 81
Luigi: 10
Pit: 450
Olimar: 176
ICs: 53
Marth: 53
Lucario: 53
PT: 27
Diddy: 35
Link: 30
Wolf: 30
Peach: 15
R.O.B.: 5
TLink: 56

Player
Hadesblade Yoshi: 78
Hadesblade Dedede: 78
Ducky Wario: 39
XeroXen Mario: 13
Fatal Snake: 84
San Ike: 42
TheMauveAvenger Kirby: 14
TheMauveAvenger DK: 14
TheReflexWonder Wario: 80
kismet2 Falco: 20
JMIX Luigi: 10
JMIX Mario: 10
Vinnie Pit: 290
Dabuz Pit: 160
Dabuz Olimar: 160
Cheese ICs: 53
Cheese Marth: 53
Cheese Lucario: 53
Cheese Falco: 53
CoonTail PT: 27
CoonTail Dedede: 27
Coontail Diddy: 27
MegaRobMan Wolf: 30
MegaRobMan Link: 30
Sm3esh Peach: 15
XcamusX Snake: 5
XcamusX R.O.B.: 5
PJ TLink: 56
Sync Olimar: 16
Illmatic Diddy: 8
Illmatic Falco: 8

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320476
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320408
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320414
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320435
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320426
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320425
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MK Legal Tournaments

Character
MK: 170.33
ICs: 94.33
Dedede: 18
Falco: 20
R.O.B.: 58
Pit: 43
Peach: 33
Kirby: 24
Diddy: 4
Olimar: 5.33
Samus: 75
Lucas: 75
Zamus: 60

User
MK: 226
ICs: 208
Dedede: 54
Falco: 29
R.O.B.: 91
Pit: 76
Peach: 33
Kirby: 24
Diddy: 12
Olimar: 16
Samus: 150
Lucas: 75
Zamus: 60

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320511
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320441
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320416
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320413
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320517

MK Banned Tournaments

MK Legal Tournaments

 

[John12346]

Okay, update for 4/7/12. We're getting there.

Raw Data

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Character
Marth: 91.33
Zelda: 22.33
Fox: 22.33
Pikachu: 39.67
Peach: 6.67
Dedede: 31.67
Falco: 3
Wolf: 176.8
Snake: 401.2
TLink: 110.6
Olimar: 94.8
Wario: 27.3
PT: 15.8
ICs: 22
GaW: 11
R.O.B.: 34.5

User
Marth: 136
Zelda: 67
Fox: 67
Pikachu: 53
Peach: 20
Dedede: 95
Falco: 9
Wolf: 182.8
Snake: 445.2
TLink: 110.6
Olimar: 94.8
Wario: 27.3
PT: 15.8
ICs: 66
GaW: 11
R.O.B.: 34.5

Player
M@V Marth: 67
M@V Zelda: 67
M@V Fox: 67
Umbra Pikachu: 20
Umbra Peach: 20
Umbra Dedede: 20
kazii Falco: 9
kazii Wolf: 9
kazii Dedede: 9
Big D ICs: 66
Big D Dedede: 66
Big D Snake: 66
Captain L Pikachu: 33
Blue Yoshi GaW: 11
Ally Snake: 379.2
Kain Wolf: 173.8
MJG TLink: 110.6
Fino Olimar: 63.2
TheReflexWonder Wario: 31.6
TheReflexWonder PT: 31.6
Logic Olimar: 31.6
Kadaj Marth: 69
stingers R.O.B.: 34.5
Scotty OB Wario: 11.5

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320761
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320769
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320802
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320772
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30+/45+ Entrant Tournaments

Character
Snake: 379.2
Wolf: 173.8
TLink: 110.6
Olimar: 94.8
Wario: 15.8
PT: 15.8

User
Snake: 379.2
Wolf: 173.8
TLink: 110.6
Olimar: 94.8
Wario: 31.6
PT: 31.6

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320802
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MK Legal Tournaments

Character
MK: 376.27
Marth: 190.8
Diddy: 38
Peach: 44.6
Snake: 11
Pit: 37.87
R.O.B.: 37.87
Falco: 59.8
Pikachu: 14
GaW: 14
Zamus: 6.4
Olimar: 6.4

User
MK: 416.6
Marth: 190.8
Diddy: 38
Peach: 44.6
Snake: 11
Pit: 78.4
R.O.B.: 78.4
Falco: 66.8
Pikachu: 42
GaW: 42
Zamus: 12.8
Olimar: 12.8

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320820
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320779
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320724

MK Banned Tournaments

MK Legal Tournaments

 

[-Ran]

Good job keeping this going for so long John.

 

[bubbaking]

And even then, we don't know if John#'s data is specifying anyway. Not that it needs it.

The way John gets some of his data, it's literally impossible to know whether someone went Shielda in a match. When the data has to come from a results thread that shows some of the chars you used next to your name, certain chars are bound to be missed. I went to a tournament and went D3, G&W, and Marth. My Marth was caught on stream and my G&W wasn't, yet somehow, in the results thread, it showed only G&W and D3 next to my name. In fact, G&W was listed as my primary char (I main DDD) just because I went G&W for less important MUs, which there happened to be more of, and saved my main and my secondary (Marth) for more important matches. Now, think about someone who went Zelda 25% of the time and Sheik 75% of the time. It would be real easy for the TO to think "Well, that guy pretty much went all Sheik, so I'm gonna put Sheik next to his results on the Smashboards." Then we would have new data for Sheik, and none for Zelda or Shielda, cuz a TO decided to 'summarize'.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@bubbaking: Exactly. It's not easy to figure out.

 

[Overswarm]

bubbaking, if that's the case then the results lined up just fine. They aren't measuring your "main", they're meausring who you actually used more. The system just isn't weighted for later matches.

 

[bubbaking]

Basically, it's reasonable to assume that Z-Sheik, as it's written in John's info, will continue to be at "0" for a loooooooooooong time.

bubbaking, if that's the case then the results lined up just fine. They aren't measuring your "main", they're meausring who you actually used more. The system just isn't weighted for later matches.

I see what you're saying. The problem, however, is that the results didn't catch that I used Marth at all, which I did.

Edit: Woooooah, Snake got 40% of all the money in one week?!? :O

 

[infiniteV115]

Well if a character's usage is left out for a certain player, chances are that player is one of the lower-level players (ie not one of the players placing in money) because
- Number of players not placing in money > # of players placing in money (at almost all tournaments, I would assume)
- Players who place in money play more matches in general, more matches on stream and have their matches paid more attention to than the matches of non-money-making players, so it's less likely that the TO will post the incorrect character usage

And then you also consider that, the bigger the tourney, the more money there is in the payouts PLUS the less likely it is that a money-making-player's character data is incorrect (more people paying attention to matches because of bigger turnout). So at big tournies with big pots, I think it'd be fair to assume that the character usage for the money-makers is 100% accurate or close to it.

And THEN you consider the fact that the discrepancies in the data will distribute themselves evenly across the entire cast, so all in all the effects of these missing data are probably negligible.

 

[Overswarm]

Yeah, statistically its negligible for a single event but it does compound enough over time to where you can expect slight variance. If after a year two characters have the same amount of money won in the list, you'd know that it's possible one is actually above the other a slight amount. Still accurate overall though.

 

[bubbaking]

Well if a character's usage is left out for a certain player, chances are that player is one of the lower-level players (ie not one of the players placing in money) because
- Number of players not placing in money > # of players placing in money (at almost all tournaments, I would assume)
- Players who place in money play more matches in general, more matches on stream and have their matches paid more attention to than the matches of non-money-making players, so it's less likely that the TO will post the incorrect character usage

And then you also consider that, the bigger the tourney, the more money there is in the payouts PLUS the less likely it is that a money-making-player's character data is incorrect (more people paying attention to matches because of bigger turnout). So at big tournies with big pots, I think it'd be fair to assume that the character usage for the money-makers is 100% accurate or close to it.

And THEN you consider the fact that the discrepancies in the data will distribute themselves evenly across the entire cast, so all in all the effects of these missing data are probably negligible.

I agree with you completely except for the small part where you said, "...the discrepancies in the data will distribute themselves evenly across the entire cast..." There are bound to be more discrepancies in less viable chars because they're the most likely to be neglected.

 

[John12346]

...aaand the update for 4/14/12.

I wonder whatever happened to Auspher...

Raw Data

Spoiler

Character
Luigi: 60
Kirby: 30
Lucario: 74.8
Pit: 252.65
ICs: 58.1
Dedede: 39.9
Diddy: 140.3
GaW: 32.9
Falco: 96.9
DK: 21.9
Olimar: 101.55
Snake: 24.75
Mario: 6.75
Wario: 69
PT: 64.5
Peach: 27
Z-Sheik: 14
Fox: 2
Sonic: 55

User
Luigi: 60
Kirby: 30
Lucario: 74.8
Pit: 432
ICs: 154.5
Dedede: 79.8
Diddy: 140.3
GaW: 104.1
Falco: 113.1
DK: 38.1
Olimar: 192.3
Snake: 49.5
Mario: 13.5
Wario: 133.5
PT: 129
Peach: 27
Z-Sheik: 14
Fox: 2
Sonic: 55

Player
YoshQ Luigi: 60
RRR Kirby: 30
Red Ryu Lucario: 10
Ally Pit: 100.8
Roller ICs: 50.4
Roller Pit: 50.4
Tech_Chase Dedede: 16.8
Tech_Chase Pit: 16.8
Gnes Diddy: 118.8
Trela Lucario: 64.8
Pwii GaW: 21.6
Pwii ICs: 21.6
Pwii Falco: 21.6
Pwii DK: 21.6
Denti Olimar: 10.8
Dabuz Pit: 181.5
Dabuz Olimar: 181.5
Vinnie ICs: 82.5
Vinnie GaW: 82.5
Vinnie Pit: 82.5
Atomsk Dedede: 49.5
Atomsk Snake: 49.5
Will DK: 16.5
Viper Falco: 27
Veggi Mario: 13.5
Veggi Dedede: 13.5
SSGuy Wario: 4.5
TheReflexWonder Wario: 129
TheReflexWonder PT: 129
kismet2 Falco: 64.5
BigLou Diddy: 21.5
Kyon Peach: 27
ScaryLB59 Z-Sheik: 14
TrumpTight Fox: 2
JMan Sonic: 55

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321110
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321091
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321111
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321082
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321114
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321095
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321219
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321096
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30+ Entrant Tournaments

Character
Pit: 118.25
Olimar: 90.75
ICs: 27.5
GaW: 27.5
Dedede: 24.75
Snake: 24.75
DK: 16.5

User
Pit: 264
Olimar: 181.5
ICs: 82.5
GaW: 82.5
Dedede: 49.5
Snake: 49.5
DK: 16.5

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321082
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MK Legal Tournaments

Character
MK: 662.5
Ness: 81.25
Marth: 65
Snake: 144.25
TLink: 19.5
Falco: 95.5
Olimar: 47
Pikachu: 51
ICs: 61
Pit: 5

User
MK: 760
Ness: 162.5
Marth: 65
Snake: 160.5
TLink: 19.5
Falco: 95.5
Olimar: 47
Pikachu: 102
ICs: 112
Pit: 5

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321298
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321148
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321099
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321072

MK Banned Tournaments

MK Legal Tournaments