Success/Popularity stuff. Final update coming later today!

[John12346]

Alright, I see now... all of your calculations are correct, but the colored conclusion is incomplete, and some of the data are not in the right areas, from what I can see. Let's see if I can piece it together from here, eh?

Meta-Knight users have won 53.17% of all money that have circulated Brawl tournaments. As a result, Meta-Knight as a character has been able to win about 33.7% of all tournament money, while other, non-MK characters who have been used by MK users have been able to win 31.2% of all tournament money.

53.17% - This is the overall percentage of money that Meta-Knight users have won from tournament. It's the value that's been set in the "Cash Won(No Split)" column of the chart I provide weekly.

33.7% - You almost had this in the right spot, but you have to remember that this value truly represents how much money MK users have won for MK as a character. This is heavily supported by the "Percentage of Each Dollar Won" column of the chart I provide weekly, as the two values are extremely close together and actually coincide when we add a +/- 5% range to your percentage.

31.2% - This was in the right spot. Why am I even talking about this one lol

So... I think we've come to a conclusion! What do you think, Ishiey?

 

[Ishiey]

Looks right to me ;D Good work

 

[John12346]

Well, we've come to a conclusion, but we still need to determine what this data stands for, right?

Let me throw out a theory: If "hard" MK mains' secondaries, as denoted by Special, didn't technically earn that money, and it can be attributed to MK himself, can we not just add 33.7% and 31.2%, and say that MK has truly taken 64.9% of all tournament money in 2011?

Keep in mind that 33.7% and 31.2% can both now be attributed to the "Split between characters" columns, so we can naturally add them up for a true value of how much money MK as a character, rather than MK users, have truly won; 64.9% of the total pot of 59709.35, which is a whopping $38751.37!

Thoughts on that?

 

[Dakpo]

LOL whoops, my bad.

Zero Suit Samus

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Y.b.M. 239.2
MeroKnight 145
UltimateRazer 102
Nick Riddle 70.9
Shlike 63
DRN 54.1
PatG 45
Mink 40.3
D-Torr 38.5
DJ Falco 37.5
Dakpo 26
Snakeee 16
Sassy 2.5

so we get a point for each dollar we earn or what? sorry i is confuzzled

 

[Steam]

john- that doesn't work. some of those are just MK users using other characters and winning money without going MK. you should just use that 53% number if anything. and it should really add up to that.... because there has to be some reason for that number to be higher than just the total MK users have won

 

[John12346]

I had a feeling there was something off with my interpretation... that's why I called it a "theory."

I guess the best we can determine from the final conclusion, then, is how much splash money other characters get from MK usage...

 

[Steam]

it's not even splash money because if they used MK at all in a particular tourney their monetary winnings would fall under the MK user category. it's just tournies where MK users didn't use MK

 

[John12346]

What are you talking about

Most players use more than one character at tournaments...

 

[Steam]

What are you talking about

Most players use more than one character at tournaments...

I'm saying that you should just use the "user" figure. the one that's 53% because that counts everyone who used MK in a tourney and won money. I dunno where this 66% figure came from. some extra 13% would be added to MK that has nothing to do with him

 

[John12346]

Uh, Steam, I conceded that point to you a few posts back, lol

What I'm trying to say is that the only real conclusion we can derive from this is that the characters that have been used in addition to MK by MK users have won 31.2% of the money in 2011.

The "theory" that I came up with was nothing more than a theory, and you put it down pretty quickly.

 

[Ishiey]

Since the split % is 157.8%, that means that 57.8% of tournament winnings are won by a person progressing with at least two different characters, correct?

And John#s, I think your logic is correct that MK won 64.9% of tournament money so far this year. I made the same calculations before, and I do not see any error if there is one. It's basically 100 - 35.1, where 35.1 is the percent of tournament winnings earned by a player who didn't use MK above the threshold of your formula. I don't really understand Steam's logic disproving it, especially not the part about using the 53% value X_x Can someone elaborate on that please?

 

[John12346]

I'll leave Steam to explain it, because now that I'm re-reading it, I'd like to hear his reasoning a bit further, but...

Since the split % is 157.8%, that means that 57.8% of tournament winnings are won by a person progressing with at least two different characters, correct?

Could you explain where this came from, at the very least?

 

[Tesh]

What is it you guys are working so hard at here? Removing the MK portion of this data won't give you any idea how things would look without MK. You are just sorting out leftovers right now.

 

[Ishiey]

It's not meant to sort out how things would look without MK, it's meant to attach numbers to his performance so we can see exactly how dominant he is in this metagame (imo)

John#s, I messed up, I meant the no split lol :x Since we have 157.8% of the total winnings when there is no split, that means that 57.8% of the original 100% is counted again because it was won with the use of another character. The no split category wouldn't be larger unless people had secondaries, basically. When they use another character, their winnings are recounted, but my initial statement was wrong because the more characters someone used to win (ex. Ally using four characters) the more they'd increase no split %. Sooooo there's no way to really determine it by looking at the chart unless you dig deeper into the data, nvm

 

[John12346]

All these numbers flying around are starting to confuse me... Ishiey, what would you say would be the final conclusions that we can derive from all of this? By that, I mean every last possible thing you can think of.

Sorry to be so persistent, but I get lost kind of easily sometimes, so I just wanted to get back on track. -___ -;

 

[John12346]

We're gonna rock this town, rock it inside out! With an update, that is!

Raw Data

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Characters
Diddy: 637.5
MK: 1281.01
ICs: 104.5
Dedede: 16.25
Fox: 22.5
Falco: 92.78
TLink: 43.75
Wario: 16.25
Snake: 327.08
GaW: 15
Lucario: 200
Zamus: 147
Peach: 45.5
Samus: 27.5
PT: 9
Olimar: 137.4
Falcon: 3.08
Kirby: 4.63
R.O.B.: 4.63
Marth: 44.83
Pikachu: 6.83
Sheik: 54
Wolf: 10

Users
Diddy: 972
MK: 2005.25
ICs: 209
Dedede: 32.5
Fox: 45
Falco: 235.6
TLink: 71.25
Wario: 16.25
Snake: 603.4
GaW: 30
Lucario: 200
Zamus: 147
Peach: 91
Samus: 55
PT: 27
Olimar: 171.9
Falcon: 9.25
Kirby: 9.25
R.O.B.: 9.25
Marth: 65.3
Pikachu: 27.3
Sheik: 54
Wolf: 10

Players
RedHalberd MK: 191.1
RedHalberd Falco: 191.1
RedHalberd Snake: 191.1
HRNut snake: 54.6
Gallax Snake: 27.3
Gallax MK: 27.3
Gallax Pikachu: 27.3
Gallax Marth: 27.3
ADHD Diddy: 312
Nairo MK: 156
Pwii MK: 65
Atomsk ICs: 32.5
Atomsk Dedede: 32.5
Nakat Fox: 26
Nakat MK: 26
Bleachigo Falco: 26
Jash TLink: 16.25
Malcolm Wario: 16.25
MetaKill MK: 60
MetaKill Snake: 60
Maki MK: 30
Maki GaW: 30
Angel Lopez Snake: 10
Angel Lopez MK: 10
Lain MK: 84
Lain ICs: 84
Sparta Kick Snake: 42
Sparta Kick MK: 42
Rayquaza07 Snake: 14
Rayquaza07 MK: 14
Lie Diddy: 138
Lie MK: 138
Logic Olimar: 69
Logic MK: 69
Kismet2 MK: 23
Gnes Diddy: 400
Gnes MK: 400 <-------------------- WTF!?!?
Trela Lucario: 200
Shlike Zamus: 147
Sync MK: 91
Sync Peach: 91
Shadow1PJ TLink: 55
Shadow1PJ Samus: 55
Jrugs Snake: 55
Magik Diddy: 27
Magik PT: 27
Magik MK: 27
Nacho Snake: 27
Nacho MK: 27
Judo Sheik: 54
KERO Olimar: 36
Luminoth Wolf: 10
HolyNightmare MK: 185
Swordgard ICs: 92.5
Swordgard Snake: 92.5
TinMan Olimar: 55.5
Cruxis Snake: 18.5
Stroumbert Falco: 9.25
Stroumbert Falcon: 9.25
Stroumbert MK: 9.25
DarkShadow Kirby: 9.25
DarkShadow R.O.B.: 9.25
Mew2King MK: 190
ANTi MK: 95
ANTi Diddy: 95
MikeHAZE Marth: 38
TKD Fox: 19
TKD MK: 19
Havok MK: 11.4
Havok Snake: 11.4
Rich Brown Olimar: 11.4
Tearbear MK: 7.6
Tyrant MK: 7.6

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306807
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306785
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306786
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306773
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306837
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306839
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306885
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306897
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306924

Tournaments Unused
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306809 - Did not occur in NA
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306748 - Did not occur in NA
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30+ Entrant Tournaments

Characters
Diddy: 568.5
MK: 1013.98
ICs: 62.5
Dedede: 16.25
Fox: 22.5
Falco: 29.08
TLink: 43.75
Wario: 16.25
Snake: 173.95
GaW: 15
Lucario: 200
Zamus: 147
Peach: 45.5
Samus: 27.5
PT: 9
Olimar: 66.9
Falcon: 3.08
Kirby: 4.63
R.O.B.: 4.63
Marth: 38

Users
Diddy: 834
MK: 1416.85
ICs: 125
Dedede: 32.5
Fox: 45
Falco: 44.5
TLink: 71.25
Wario: 16.25
Snake: 274.4
GaW: 30
Lucario: 200
Zamus: 147
Peach: 91
Samus: 55
PT: 27
Olimar: 66.9
Kirby: 9.25
R.O.B.: 9.25
Marth: 38

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306785
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306786
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306839
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306897
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306924

Update Commentary
- Meta-Knight breaks $23000.
- Diddy Kong breaks $5000!
- Zero Suit Samus breaks $1000!
- $60000 have been put into circulation for the aggregate of 2011 Brawl tournaments! Oooh yeahhh!

Please remember to Right Click and hit "View Image" on any image that isn't displayed large enough to be seen properly.

 

[san.]

Gnes is starting to use MK in tournaments again? Would like to see some more videos of that.

 

[Deleted member]

Luminoth won some cash?? Good stuff!

 

[BSP]

The gap just keeps getting bigger and bigger...

 

[Reizilla]

Gnes' MK is ****. I have super secret footage that you can see, but it'll cost you.

 

[Thebest1pj]

my samus tho

 

[Reizilla]

samus1pj tho

 

[Conviction]

Inb4imtheonlyfoxwhomademoneythisweek

 

[Steam]

@john- MK has won 33.7% on his own. other characters used by MK users won 31.2%

add these up and it's greater than 53.17, the ammount won by anyone who used MK at a particular tournament.

this means some of the contributors to the 31.2% figure were people who had used and won with MK before, but in certain instances did not use MK at all and won money, and therefore can't really be used to show MK's success. it wouldn't really be fair for someone to use MK for a few months, win some money, then go solo wario and win some more money. but have all of it go back to MK.

 

[BSP]

So what %, if any, do people see as the "problem" percentage?

 

[John12346]

While people are answering BSP's question, I'm gonna go ahead and put out there the reason I haven't put up this week's results yet is because I'm waiting on Genesis 2's results...

 

[John12346]

But hey, that's no reason not to post the raw data, right? Here it is, minus Genesis 2, obviously...

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Characters
MK: 626.65
Snake: 219.75
Pit: 87
Falco: 273.92
Fox: 50.17
Diddy: 144.5
Peach: 28.2
Marth: 142.9
Olimar: 143.37
Luigi: 6.75
Pikachu: 72
Dedede: 7.2
GaW: 60
Yoshi: 27
ICs: 83.8
TLink: 4.9
DK: 25
PT: 25
Zelda: 7.2

Users
MK: 730.5
Snake: 298.5
Pit: 87
Falco: 332
Fox: 105.5
Diddy: 219.5
Peach: 28.2
Marth: 270.9
Olimar: 135
Luigi: 13.5
Pikachu: 72
Dedede: 14.4
GaW: 160
Yoshi: 27
ICs: 163.8
TLink: 4.9
DK: 50
PT: 25
Zelda: 7.2

Players
Xdeath MK: 25
Fatal Snake: 159.5
Koolaid Pit: 87
Pelca Falco: 29
Pelca Fox: 29
Pelca MK: 29
Bizkit Snake: 14.5
Player-1 Diddy: 27
HeroChima Peach: 13.5
Iblis Fox: 4.5
DarkLink Marth: 99
DarkLink MK: 99
DarkLink Snake: 99
Duff0 Marth: 49.5
Duff0 Fox: 49.5
K9 Falco: 18
Derp Olimar: 13.5
Derp Luigi: 13.5
Captain L Pikachu: 72
Deap MK: 36
Big D Snake: 12
Big D Dedede: 12
Fino Olimar: 80
Joey GaW: 40
Joey Falco: 40
80'sBlade Yosh: 27
Hilt Olimar: 13
Smoom ICs: 29.4
Illmatic Peach: 14.7
PJ TLink: 4.9
Will DK: 50
Will Marth: 50
Vinnie PT: 25
Bluez MK: 15
Nuke Diddy: 5
DeLux ICs: 14.4
Linkz Zelda: 7.2
xZeroLegend Marth: 2.4
xZeroLegend Dedede: 2.4
DEHF Falco: 220
Vex GaW: 120
Vex MK: 120
Vex ICs: 120
Ninjalink Diddy: 50
Lethal Trilogy MK: 25
Lethal Trilogy Marth: 25
Lethal Trilogy Diddy: 25
Lethal Trilogy Falco: 25
Asadelta Olimar: 15
Tyrant MK: 106.44
Havok MK: 47.04
Rich Brown Olimar: 28.62
MikeHAZE Marth: 53.4
Mew2King MK: 225
Anti MK: 112.5
Anti Diddy: 112.5
TKD MK: 22.5
TKD Fox: 22.5
Havok MK: 13.5
Havok Snake: 13.5
Tearbear MK: 9

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307086
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307188
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307191
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307193
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307196
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307230
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307219
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307329
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307409
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307537
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303123 - E4J:Karen, E4J:Champion
Genesis 2(Awaiting results...)

Tournaments Unused
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30+ Entrant Tournaments

Characters
Falco: 226.25
GaW: 40
MK: 363.5
ICs: 40
Diddy: 112.5
Marth: 51.25
Olimar: 28.5
Fox: 11.25
Snake: 6.75

Users
Falco: 245
GaW: 120
MK: 536.5
ICs: 120
Diddy: 187.5
Marth: 70
Olimar: 28.5
Fox: 22.5
Snake: 13.5

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307537
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303123 - E4J:Champion
Genesis 2(Awaiting results...)

And here, I went ahead and calculated the projected payouts of Genesis 2. These probably aren't the EXACT payouts(they might be off by a few dollars), but they are the payouts according to the original tournament page, so yeah.

Obviously I can't integrate these into the data yet because my payout projection may be off by a few dollars, and I don't know what the character usage was.

Spoiler

189 entrants
$25 entry fee
$4725 total pot
Pot Split: 45 - 22.5 - 12.5 - 8 - 4 - 4 - 2 - 2 -$50(for 9th placers) - $25(for 13th placers)
Pot Bonus Split: $1000 - $500 - $250 - $100 - $50 - $50 - $25 - $25

1: M2K - $2126.25 + $1000 = $3126.25
2: Ally - $1063.13 + $500 = $1563.13
3: ADHD - $590.63 + $250 = $840.63
4: Gnes - $378 + $100 = $478
5: Zex - $189 + $50 = $239
5: Tyrant - $189 + $50 = $239
7: Tearbear - $94.5 + 25 = $119.50
7: Rich Brown - $94.5 + 25 = $119.50
9: UltimateRazer - $50
9: ESAM - $50
9: Larry - $50
9: Atomsk - $50
13: Krystedez - $25
13: SK92 - $25
13: Trela - $25
13: HAVOK - $25

 

[John12346]

Alright, here's the update! And... a triple post!? O___O;

C'mon guys, get to commentating!

Anyway, before I get to the good stuff, I'd just like to point this out. While I was making the updates, I noticed something alarming, so I thought I'd put it up for everyone to see.

That's about 53% of all tournament money Meta-Knight has there. From a competitive standpoint, does anyone see an ENORMOUS problem with this...?

But anyway, on to the actual update!
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Update Information

Spoiler

Characters
MK: 4711.26
Snake: 658.35
Pit: 87
Falco: 692.52
Fox: 50.17
Diddy: 1473.38
Peach: 28.2
Marth: 239.53
Olimar: 240
Luigi: 6.75
Pikachu: 84.5
Dedede: 19.7
GaW: 60
Yoshi: 27
ICs: 96.3
TLink: 4.9
DK: 25
PT: 25
Zelda: 7.2
Wario: 393.6

Users
MK: 6105.01
Snake: 1904.38
Pit: 87
Falco: 1931.38
Fox: 105.5
Diddy: 1548.38
Peach: 28.2
Marth: 464.15
Olimar: 231.63
Luigi: 13.5
Pikachu: 97
Dedede: 39.4
GaW: 160
Yoshi: 27
ICs: 188.8
TLink: 4.9
DK: 50
PT: 25
Zelda: 7.2
Wario: 1574.38

Players
Xdeath MK: 25
Fatal Snake: 159.5
Koolaid Pit: 87
Pelca Falco: 29
Pelca Fox: 29
Pelca MK: 29
Bizkit Snake: 14.5
Player-1 Diddy: 27
HeroChima Peach: 13.5
Iblis Fox: 4.5
DarkLink Marth: 99
DarkLink MK: 99
DarkLink Snake: 99
Duff0 Marth: 49.5
Duff0 Fox: 49.5
K9 Falco: 18
Derp Olimar: 13.5
Derp Luigi: 13.5
Captain L Pikachu: 72
Deap MK: 36
Big D Snake: 12
Big D Dedede: 12
Fino Olimar: 80
Joey GaW: 40
Joey Falco: 40
80'sBlade Yoshi: 27
Hilt Olimar: 13
Smoom ICs: 29.4
Illmatic Peach: 14.7
Shadow1PJ TLink: 4.9
Will DK: 50
Will Marth: 50
Vinnie PT: 25
Bluez MK: 15
Nuke Diddy: 5
DeLux ICs: 14.4
Linkz Zelda: 7.2
xZeroLegend Marth: 2.4
xZeroLegend Dedede: 2.4
DEHF Falco: 245
Vex GaW: 120
Vex MK: 120
Vex ICs: 120
Ninjalink Diddy: 50
Lethal Trilogy MK: 25
Lethal Trilogy Marth: 25
Lethal Trilogy Diddy: 25
Lethal Trilogy Falco: 25
Asadelta Olimar: 15
Tyrant MK: 395.19
Havok MK: 60.54
Havok Snake: 13.5
Rich Brown Olimar: 125.25
MikeHAZE Marth: 53.4
Mew2King MK: 3373.75
Anti MK: 112.5
Anti Diddy: 112.5
TKD MK: 22.5
TKD Fox: 22.5
Tearbear MK: 153.38
RedHalberd Snake: 20
Ally MK: 1574.38
Ally Falco: 1574.38
Ally Wario: 1574.38
Ally Snake: 1574.38
ADHD Diddy: 846.88
Gnes Diddy: 482
Zex MK: 193.25
Zex Marth: 193.25
UltimateRazer Snake: 25
ESAM Pikachu: 25
ESAM ICs: 25
Atomsk MK: 25
Atomsk Dedede: 25

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307086
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307188
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307191
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307193
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307196
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307230
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307219
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307329
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307409
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307537
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303123 - E4J:Karen, E4J:Champion
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307576
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307610

Tournaments Unused
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30 Entrant Tournaments

Characters
Falco: 644.85
GaW: 40
MK: 4448.11
ICs: 52.5
Diddy: 1441.38
Marth: 147.88
Olimar: 125.13
Fox: 11.25
Snake: 425.35
Wario: 393.6
Pikachu: 12.5
Dedede: 12.5

Users
Falco: 1844.38
GaW: 120
MK: 5911.01
ICs: 145
Diddy: 1516.38
Marth: 263.25
Olimar: 125.13
Fox: 22.5
Snake: 1612.88
Wario: 1574.38
Pikachu: 25
Dedede: 25

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307537
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303123 - E4J:Champion
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307610

Update Commentary
- Meta-Knight breaks $24000.
- Meta-Knight breaks $25000.
- Meta-Knight breaks $26000.
- Meta-Knight breaks $27000.
- Meta-Knight breaks $28000.
- Diddy Kong breaks $6000!
- Snake breaks $8000!
- Falco breaks $3000!
- Olimar breaks $2000!
- Sonic loses viability!
- With the help of Genesis 2, Brawl Tournament money has made it to a total of $70000! Excellent!

Please remember to Right Click and hit "View Image" on any image that isn't displayed large enough to be seen properly.

 

[BSP]

Well, the metaknightgame is developing nicely



Well, since no one else wants to speak

I don't think this is a healthy metagame forming. The splits between Falco, Diddy, and Snake are what I would consider a healthy competition between the better characters in the game. But MK is just soooooo out of their league, and since MK has taken the most money pretty much every week, no character will catch him, and his lead will only grow. This means that 50% will become 60%, then 70%, and so on. In this one update alone, MK made over 4,000$. MK has more than Diddy, Snake, Falco, Wario, and even Marth combined. Yeah....

 

[mikeHAZE]

ALL SOCAL RESULTS

[collapse=EGP Presents: Thunder Dome - July 24th, 2011 - 14 Entrants - $5 Pot Fee - Hosted by mikeHAZE and EGP]
1: Tyrant
2: mikeHAZE
3: Zane
4: Pitbull :lucario
5: Mata :trainer:
5: Zigsta
7: CSX Mark
7: Scizor
Full results can be found here - http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=12358
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[collapse=2GG 2.5 - July 23rd, 2011 - 8 Entrants - $5 Pot Fee - Hosted by 2GG]
1: mikeHAZE
2: ItsWillYo
3: Okinawa :gaw:
4: Southpaw
5: DJay!
5: WiseGuy :???:
7: godric
7: Jeremiah :???:
Bracket - http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10828.gif
Tournament page with full results - http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=12331
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[collapse=E4J: Champion - July 9th, 2011 - 45 Entrants - $10 Pot Fee - Hosted by mikeHAZE]
1 Mew2king
2 Anti
3 mikeHAZE
4 TKD
5 Havok
5 Richbrown
7 Tearbear
7 Tyrant
Bracket - http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10780.gif
Doubles, Pools, and Amateur Bracket - http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=12016
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[collapse=E4J: Karen - June 25th, 2011 - 24 Entrants - $7 Pot Fee - Hosted by mikeHAZE]
1 Tyrant
2 Havok
3 Richbrown
4 mikeHAZE
5 Tearbear
5 Awex
7 Hall
7 Zekey :dedede

Bracket - http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10728.gif
Doubles and Amateur Singles - http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=12189
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[collapse=E4J:Bruno - June 11th, 2011 - 27 Entrants - $7 Pot Fee - Hosted by mikeHAZE]
1 Tyrant
2 mikeHAZE
3 Havok
4 Jebus
5 Fierce
5 Richbrown
7 Kiira
7 Anuar
Bracket: http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10634.gif
Pools, Doubles and Amateur can be found here: http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=12102
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[collapse=San Diego 14 - June 4th, 2011 - 20 Entrants - $5 Pot Fee - Hosted by Tearbear]
1: Tyrant
2: Havok
3: mikeHAZE
4: Zekey :gaw:
5: Falln
5: Tearbear
7: Raz
7: Rakan
Bracket - http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10614.gif
Full results can be found here - http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=12015
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[collapse=E4J:Koga - May 28th, 2011 - 33 Entrants - $7 Pot Fee - Hosted by mikeHAZE]
1 mikeHAZE
2 DEHF
3 Tyrant
4 Richbrown
5: Anuar
5: Kiraflax
7: Stars and Stripes (Hall)
7: Raz

Bracket http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10576.gif
Pools, Doubles, and Amateur can be found here: http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=12029

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[collapse=E4J:Will - May 14th, 2011 - 29 Entrants - $5 pot fee - Hosted by mikeHAZE]

1 Tyrant
2 TKD
3 Richbrown
4 mikehaze
5: Tearbear
5: Havok
7: Kira the Flaxinator
7: Anuar


Bracket http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10495.gif
Pools and Doubles can be found here: http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=11977

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[collapse=E4K:Champion - April 28th, 2011 - 49 entrants - $10 pot fee - Hosted by mikeHAZE]


http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10456.gif



1: Tyrant
2: DEHF
3: Havok
4: mikeHAZE
5: Rich Brown
5: Anuar
7: Falln
7: Tearbear

Bracket http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10456.gif
Pools and Doubles can be found here: http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=11875

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[collapse=E4K: Lance - April 14th, 2011 - 28 Entrants - $5 Pot Fee - Hosted by mikeHAZE]

1: DEHF
2: Tyrant
3: mikeHAZE
4: Havok
5: TKD
5: Anuar
7: Fox16
7: Jebus

Bracket -http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10375.gif
Pools and Doubles can be found here: http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=11799
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[collapse=E4K: Agatha - Aprii 2nd, 2011 - 43 Entrants - $5 Pot Fee - Hosted by mikeHAZE]

1: DEHF
2: Tyrant
3: Rich Brown
4: mikeHAZE
5: Vato Break
5: Zex
7: Choconaner
7: Tearbear
Bracket - http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10311.gif
Pools and Doubles can be found here - http://allisbrawl.com/event.aspx?id=10311
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[collapse=E4K: Bruno - Marth 19th, 2011 - 20 entrants - $5 Pot Fee - Hosted by mikeHAZE]

1: DEHF
2: mikeHAZE
3: Jebus
4: Kiraflax
5: Tearbear
5: itswillyo
7: Phoenix
7: Panda
Bracket - http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10226.gif
Doubles results can be found here - http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=11647
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[collapse=E4K: Lorelei - March 5th, 2011 - Hosted by mikeHAZE]
Unfortunately, full results were not saved for whatever reason.


1: Rich Brown
2: Havok
3: mikeHAZE
4: Tearbear
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[collapse=KakunaRattata - February 12th, 2011 - 28 Entrants - $5 Pot Fee - Hosted by mikeHAZE]

1: Rich Brown
2: Havok
3: Tearbear
4: mikeHAZE
5: DEHF
5: Dao
7: Jebus
7: Paper
Bracket - http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10060.gif
Doubles Results can be found here - http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=11482

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[Shockna]

Well, the metaknightgame is developing nicely



Well, since no one else wants to speak

I don't think this is a healthy metagame forming. The splits between Falco, Diddy, and Snake are what I would consider a healthy competition between the better characters in the game. But MK is just soooooo out of their league, and since MK has taken the most money pretty much every week, no character will catch him, and his lead will only grow. This means that 50% will become 60%, then 70%, and so on. In this one update alone, MK made over 4,000$. MK has more than Diddy, Snake, Falco, Wario, and even Marth combined. Yeah....

Keep in mind you're dealing with the type of people who probably would have said Akuma was a balanced, non-bannable character in SFII, or that Justice should have been tourney legal in GG.

Edit: John#s is using it as an anti-MK argument though, so my last comment was kinda totally wrong. >_>;;

 

[John12346]

Mike, you're awesome, thanks for this

I already have all the results from all of the Elite Four series integrated into my data, so the next update will include all of the non-Elite Four tournies on that list.

 

[Steam]

maybe we should see what % of people placing without MK had attendees who were known as MK users so we know which tournies non-MKs won/placed in that didn't have any MK users to get ***** by. that sounds hella difficult tho.

 

[Tesh]

trying to get the data to fit your agenda?

 

[Steam]

trying to get the data to fit your agenda?

Did spelt steal your password?

 

[Tesh]

Well, that request sounded like a pro-ban looking for and easy way to disregard tournaments that didn't have a high level metaknight present. If that is what you were looking for, I urge you to keep in mind that it works both ways.

 

[Steam]

Well, that request sounded like a pro-ban looking for and easy way to disregard tournaments that didn't have a high level metaknight present. If that is what you were looking for, I urge you to keep in mind that it works both ways.

it would work both ways if MK had real counters...

and it's a perfectly legit request. MK can't dominate if he's not there...

 

[Tesh]

Lets say there is a mid size tournament with 40 players or so. Top 8 is 7 MKs and a lucario. The other 32 players have no Diddy Kongs, Falcos or Snakes. Would it be fair for me to say that MK only took the top spots because his hardest non-mk matchups weren't present?

How about VC9 for example? http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12082239#post12082239 , top 6 has 5 MKs. BUT 4 of them are the arguably the best MKs in the country. I could argue that the only reason MK dominated here was the lack of top diddies, top falcos, and top snakes. Aside from the MKs at that tournament, I don't see a top anything. If you read a little deeper into the results you see that MK dominated because there was no Mikehaze, DEHF, ADHD, Gnes, Razer, TKD, ESAM, Nick Riddle etc.

So yea I think it works both ways. You see a falco/snake getting all the money because MK didn't show up. I see a MK getting all the money because Diddy didn't show up.

 

[John12346]

Well, if it helps, I am keeping track of MK banned tournaments on a separate spreadsheet. Given that a lot of TOs have designs to run MK banned tournies in the near future, would that help answer your question in any way, Tesh?

 

[san.]

You can isolate cases all you want, but there are way too many tournaments over the entire year to assume this happens often enough to have a major effect. The aggregate data would speak louder than single incidents.