Success/Popularity stuff. Final update coming later today!

[John12346]

Alright, here's the update for 7/23/11. Nothing of importance happened over the course of this update, so no update commentary.

Raw Data

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Characters
Diddy: 146.2
Jiggly: 95
MK: 564.4
ICs: 62.5
Peach: 83
R.O.B.: 20
Wolf: 14.67
Snake: 151.93
Kirby: 20
Yoshi: 10
DK: 55
Falco: 95.33
Ike: 48.33
Olimar: 207.2
Pit: 24
Fox: 14.33
Zelda: 9
Wario: 30
Marth: 93
Mario: 5
Lucario: 48.5
GaW: 8.6
TLink: 2

Users
Diddy: 241.2
Jiggly: 190
MK: 881.6
ICs: 125
Peach: 83
R.O.B.: 20
Wolf: 24
Snake: 272.2
Kirby: 20
Yoshi: 10
DK: 60
Falco: 267
Ike: 59
Olimar: 207.2
Pit: 72
Fox: 52
Zelda: 36
Wario: 30
Marth: 143.1
Mario: 10
Lucario: 48.5
GaW: 8.6
TLink: 2

Players
DaPuffster Diddy: 190
DaPuffster Jiggly: 190
Cheese MK: 110
Cheese ICs: 110
Dark Pch Peach: 40
ChiboSempai R.O.B.: 20
Ish Wolf: 10
Kai Diddy: 10
Infern Snake: 70
AlphaZealot Diddy: 30
Y.b.M. Kirby: 20
Kel MK: 15
MX Yoshi: 10
Kassandra MK: 10
will DK: 50
DoomMachine MK: 25
DoomMachine Snake: 25
DoomMachine Falco: 25
Ryo Ike: 43
Gallax MK: 20
Gallax Snake: 20
Kyon Peach: 5
Rich Brown Olimar: 165.2
Logic Olimar: 42
Seagull Wolf: 14
Seagull MK: 14
Seagull Falco: 14
Shugo MK: 72
Shugo Falco: 72
Shugo Pit: 72
M@v MK: 36
M@v Fox: 36
M@v Zelda: 36
M@v Falco: 36
Blue Rogue Wario: 12
DarkLink MK: 78
DarkLink Marth: 78
Kyle Peach: 38
K9 Falco: 14
Stevo Mario: 10
Stevo DK: 10
Ally Falco: 90
Ally MK: 90
Ally Snake: 90
Junebug Lucario: 45
Lain MK: 15
Lain ICs: 15
Anti MK: 112
jpIsCrAzY MK: 32
Jose A[unlisted] Ike: 16
Jose A[unlisted] Fox: 16
Jose A[unlisted] Falco: 16
Tyrant MK: 98.6
MikeHAZE Marth: 58.8
MikeHAZE MK: 32.2
Zane Marth: 6.3
Pitbull Lucario: 3.5
ItsWillYo Diddy: 11.2
Okinawa GaW: 3.6
Southpaw TLink: 2
Havok MK: 67.2
Havok Snake: 67.2
Zekey GaW: 5
Tearbear MK: 12.6
Umbra MK: 36
Melon Wario: 18
TKCK MK: 6

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307668
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307667
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307651
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307672
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307686
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307707
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307721
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307731
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307851
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303123 - All non-Elite 4 tournies
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307934

Tournaments Unused
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307734 - Added to the MK Banned Tournaments listing
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Characters
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Users
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Tournaments Used
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MK Banned Tournies

Characters
GaW: 76
Kirby: 76
Olimar: 38

Users
GaW: 152
Kirby: 152
Olimar: 38

Usage
GaW: 2
Kirby: 1
Olimar: 1
Wario: 2
Pikachu: 1
Snake: 1
Falco: 1
R.O.B.: 2
Falcon: 1
Ike: 1

Please remember to Right Click and hit "View Image" for any image that is not large enough to be displayed properly.

 

[John12346]

Excuse the double post, but this is a separate finding with which I wish to solicit a separate post with.

Someone requested this a while ago on Aim, and I thought I'd go through with it. Essentially, what you'll be looking at here is a "Non-Cumulative" graph. Instead of showing how much of the money each character won per week, however, this graph will show how much of the money each character won per month.

An example would go as such: Assume there were $200 in circulation for January's tournaments, and MK won $90 in January. In that case, he would receive a 45 statistic for the January area. Now, if we assume $100 went into circulation for February tournaments, and MK won $40 total in February, he would receive a 40 statistic for the February area. The main idea behind this chart is to understand that the results for a given month won't affect results for other months; the point is to see if any character's dominance increases or decreases as the months go by.

It's pretty self explanatory when you look at the X axis.

When I do the update for 7/30/11, I'll appropriately update this graph to include July.

 

[Ripple]

just got back from EVO!!! time to update this thread...

 

[King Funk]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308108

I do appreciate John's hard work on statistics, but I don't think I'll ever be able to take his opinion on banning MK or the tournament scene in general seriously anymore.

 

[John12346]

Wait, what? Why?

First off, that's an EU tourney, so I wasn't going to use it anyway, and I knew full well that those results were forged(after someone spoke up in the thread, of course), so I wouldn't have used it regardless, even if it was a NA tourney. I make it a point to read through the shoutouts and stuff to make sure the character usage and payouts are correct...

Unless that was sarcasm, Funk, in which case I missed it completely... -___ -;

 

[DeLux]

So let's say I money in a tournament using SoPo, or Fino makes that bank using Nolimar, can we get a statistical category separate for the respective characters?


Pleaseeeeee?

 

[Tesh]

sopo and nolimar arent characters, they are playstyles. If those counted, he would have to filter all of m2ks winnings into "gay mk" and all of ally's winnings into "manly meta"

 

[Ripple]

Ripple is sick, like, really sick, update will take much longer than usual

 

[John12346]

Well, then I hope you don't mind if I jump in and take a turn!

This is going to be a really big update full of information, so for now, I'll put down the usual stuff for you guys to view. We'll call this Part 1 for now. Part 2 will come later today, I just need to finish compiling it.

Oh, and this goes without saying, but MK made a disgustingly large amount of money for this week, so...



Raw Data

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Characters
Wolf: 205
MK: 1191.24
Falco: 88.64
GaW: 29
Wario: 307.51
Marth: 54.75
Luigi: 8
Yoshi: 16
ICs: 81.75
Snake: 84.89
Olimar: 58.3
DK: 29.55
Diddy: 109.43
Dedede: 28.64
Lucario: 3.5
TLink: 35
Sonic: 20
PT: 60

Users
Wolf: 205
MK: 1522.25
Falco: 162
GaW: 58
Wario: 424.4
Marth: 85.5
Luigi: 16
Yoshi: 16
ICs: 166.5
Snake: 200.5
Olimar: 58.3
DK: 29.55
Diddy: 234.5
Dedede: 64
Lucario: 7
TLink: 35
Sonic: 20
PT: 120

Players
Kain Wolf: 197
Sago MK: 90
Arty Falco: 58
Arty GaW: 58
Hunger Wario: 33
Hunger Marth: 33
YoshQ Luigi: 16
YoshQ MK: 16
Hadesblade Yoshi: 16
Holy Nightmare MK: 175
Bassem Wario: 87.5
Swordgard ICs: 52.5
Swordgard Snake: 52.5
Tin Man Olimar: 17.5
JMo MK: 8.75
i1337 DK: 8.75
Mew2King MK: 249.6
ANTi MK: 124.8
ANTi Diddy: 124.8
ADHD Diddy: 62.4
ADHD Wario: 62.4
Nairo MK: 41.6
Will DK: 20.8
Dabuz Olimar: 20.8
Gnes Snake: 24.5
Gnes MK: 24.5
Gnes Wario: 24.5
UltimateRazer Snake: 7
UltimateRazer Falco: 7
UltimateRazer Wario: 7
UltimateRazer MK: 7
UltimateRazer Dedede: 7
Trela Lucario: 3.5
Genghis Pot Dedede: 48
Genghis Pot MK: 48
Honor Marth: 24
Kiro Wolf: 8
Seibrik Wario: 95
Seibrik MK: 95
Mampam Diddy: 47.5
Mampam Snake: 47.5
Mampam MK: 47.5
Chaz Marth: 28.5
Chaz MK: 28.5
DJ Jack Falco: 19
Lee Martin MK: 235
JNig Wario: 115
Jerm TLink: 35
Brawlman1000 Sonic: 20
Chuck Nasty MK: 120
Chuck Nasty PT: 120
Type Ex Falco: 60
Type Ex Snake: 60
Denti Olimar: 20
Lain MK: 105
Lain ICs: 105
Boxxy MK: 48
Bowyer MK: 31
WTP Falco: 18
WTP MK: 18
Tech_Chase Dedede: 9
Tech_Chase ICs: 9
Tech_Chase Snake: 9
Gio MK: 9

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308106
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308118
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308114
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308128
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308133
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308150
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308119
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308181
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308187

Tournaments Unused
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308117 - Added to the MK Banned Tournaments listing
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308112 - Added to the MK Banned Tournaments listing
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Characters
Wolf: 197
MK: 712.93
Falco: 48
GaW: 29
Wario: 182.7
Marth: 30.75
Luigi: 8
Yoshi: 16
ICs: 26.25
Snake: 42.08
Olimar: 38.3
DK: 29.55
Diddy: 109.43

Users
Wolf: 197
MK: 876.75
Falco: 77
GaW: 58
Wario: 277.9
Marth: 61.5
Luigi: 16
Yoshi: 16
ICs: 52.5
Snake: 50
Olimar: 38.3
DK: 29.55
Diddy: 234.5

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308106
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308118
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308114
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308150
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MK Banned Tournies

Characters
Sonic: 42
Snake: 64.88
Olimar: 5.25
Marth: 8.75
Dedede: 7.5
Diddy: 9.13
Fox: 5.63
Falco: 5.63
TLink: 9
Lucario: 2.25

Users
Sonic: 42
Snake: 97.5
Olimar: 21
Marth: 28
Dedede: 25.5
Diddy: 29.5
Fox: 22.5
Falco: 22.5
TLink: 9
Lucario: 4.5

Usage
Sonic: 3
Snake: 5
Olimar: 2
Marth: 2
Dedede: 4
Diddy: 3
Kirby: 1
Ness: 1
Wario: 1
Falco: 2
Ike: 2
Fox: 3
TLink: 1
Lucario: 1
ICs: 1

Update Commentary
- Meta-Knight breaks $29000.

Update Graphs

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Character Success - Cumulative:

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Character Success - Non-cumulative:

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User Success - Cumulative:

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User Success - Non cumulative:

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Average Success - Cumulative:

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Average Success - Non cumulative:

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[John12346]

And here's Part 2! There'll be another bit I throw out later on, but after Ripple makes his update.

30+ Entrant Tournies

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Misc. Info

How to read this graph

Now, about this last one, I'd like to point out MK and Snake's lines starting from April. They're diverging...

Please remember to complain about how OP MK is!

Please remember to Right Click and hit "View Image" on any image that is not large enough to be displayed properly.

 

[King Funk]

Wait, what? Why?

First off, that's an EU tourney, so I wasn't going to use it anyway, and I knew full well that those results were forged(after someone spoke up in the thread, of course), so I wouldn't have used it regardless, even if it was a NA tourney. I make it a point to read through the shoutouts and stuff to make sure the character usage and payouts are correct...

Unless that was sarcasm, Funk, in which case I missed it completely... -___ -;

Well apparently you didn't at first.

It was just absolutely hilarious. You looked at the "results" and immediately drew a conclusion that Europe supposedly had an "MK problem". Without even questioning how two average dutch players managed to top Europe's biggest summer tournament ("defeating" known top players like Mr-R, Orion and Leon), you were probably having the time of your life with the mere thought that you could now mention Europe as a region "suffering" from MK dominance.

When some other players and me saw Xonar's troll results thread on smashboards during the tournament, we noticed those responses and tried to alert as many people as possible NOT to reveal that the results were fake just to see how far it would go. But hey, the French were ******s as always and spoiled it before we could even tell them about it.

If anything, you and Tin Man showed a lot of ignorance when it comes to scenes outside the US. And as I already said, you almost looked like you were happy the "results" turned out that way, because all you seem to care about is to want MK to win as much as possible so you can vouch for a ban someday.

I wonder how you felt when it was all revealed to be fake. The word starts with an "s".

Only one MK in the real top 6, btw. If there's anything you have to change in the USA it's not ban MK but fix the American mentality when it comes to competitive play.

 

[Steam]

maybe european MKs aren't as good? I mean from what I've seen they actually play reasonably.

 

[John12346]

Oh no, you saw me making a perfectly natural response to fake information I thought was true! So now you know how I would react in the face of an EU tourney being dominated by Meta-Knight. So what, is this any different from the reaction you were expecting?

Oh wait, it doesn't really matter either way, because I check through results pages frequently to make sure the character usage, etc., is legit before actually reporting it in. Any stupidity I may display(and I have a lot to spare...) before that holds no relevance in the end.

And actually, I did actually make a mention of it outside of the results thread, it went something like this:
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[san.]

Tin Man is from a scene that's outside the US.

And you're the only one making a big deal out of this, then jump in with the insults. (And the guy who went through all the trouble to fake it)

Anyways, somewhat pleasantly surprised on how the numbers begin to even out for a lot of characters in high tier after $100.

 

[King Funk]

Tin Man is from a scene that's outside the US.

And you're the only one making a big deal out of this, then jump in with the insults. (And the guy who went through all the trouble to fake it)

Anyways, somewhat pleasantly surprised on how the numbers begin to even out for a lot of characters in high tier after $100.

I'd just expect more knowledge of Brawl competitive scenes from people who make all those statistics. If you aren't even sure about results or if they clearly aren't official results you don't need to post your reactions about them.

maybe european MKs aren't as good? I mean from what I've seen they actually play reasonably.

It's not that they aren't as good (well maybe they are), many of them still often place top 4 in Europe.

There just isn't as many of them. Players in Europe have a different competitive mentality and wouldn't ditch their mains for MK after one or two tournaments.

In America you seem to hype a character up and then suddenly you have a massive bandwagon for it. Meta Knight in 2008 with M2K, Diddy after ADHD beat Ally at Game Unicon, Wario after Fiction was getting some nice results in summer 2009. "Omg this character wins tourneys so I can win tourneys with him too.". The Meta Knight bandwagon just went too far because people just make too much of a deal of him and think that he's what you need to win tournaments.

 

[John12346]

Why would I read through EU results thoroughly and memorize players and their mains if I never intend to include it with my data...? I looked as far as the characters when I skimmed through Fake Brawl in Berlin, so...

Anyway, as far as EU having not having a MK problem, it can either be attributed to the fact your MKs don't play correctly, proving us right, or your EU non-MKs play too well, proving us wrong. There's no way to tell except through international contact, so it would probably serve a lot of purpose to pay attention to any NA vs EU matches between high level players at Apex involving at least one MK.

And I'd like to see an explanation as to why the Diddy and Wario bandwagons didn't develop into the same situation as we have now with MK.

 

[King Funk]

Why would I read through EU results thoroughly and memorize players and their mains if I never intend to include it with my data...? I looked as far as the characters when I skimmed through Fake Brawl in Berlin, so...

Anyway, as far as EU having not having a MK problem, it can either be attributed to the fact your MKs don't play correctly, proving us right, or your EU non-MKs play too well, proving us wrong. There's no way to tell except through international contact, so it would probably serve a lot of purpose to pay attention to any NA vs EU matches between high level players at Apex involving at least one MK.

And I'd like to see an explanation as to why the Diddy and Wario bandwagons didn't develop into the same situation as we have now with MK.

As I already said, the difference in Europe with MK's is not really quality but quantity.

Diddy and Wario bandwagons were naturally not as large because those characters are harder to play and not as good. But the MK bandwagon in the USA is just too large because players are induced into a competitive mentality which revolves around taking the best possible tools to win no matter what.

It's the same with other fighting games. Back in the old SSF2T days, you'd have Japanese crews with a lot of character variety and american crews who were only either Sagat or Boxer. And guess what, the Japanese were still the better ones. They don't pick a character just because they want to win, they pick what they enjoy playing with the most and develop interesting game play with them that is bound to take the metagame by surprise. It must be due to the fact that there are never prize money tournaments in Japan. Here in Europe we are a bit in between.

Data on Europe would be interesting btw. People are a bit too lazy and don't care enough to do it here though.

 

[John12346]

Well, if Japan, and EU to a lesser extent, don't have a "play to win" mentality, but rather have a "make sure the game is fun" mentality, then it would make a lot more sense that you guys don't have a MK problem; he's a really big hype killer, despite being the clear easiest path to victory(granted, time still needs to be put into the character to some extent), y'know?

I would love for NA to adopt your guys' mentalities, but this is the road we've chosen, and now look at the MK issue we have before us...

-___-;

 

[Tesh]

tl:dr, no one cares about europe

 

[mikeHAZE]

Here are last weeks results

E4H: Sidney - July 30th, 2011 - 23 Entrants - $7 Pot Fee - Hosted by mikeHAZE

1: Tyrant
2: mikeHAZE
3: Tearbear
4: Zekey
5: Kiraflax
5: Anuar
7: Jebus
7: Pitbull

Bracket can be found here - http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket10900.gif
Doubles and Pools can be found here - http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=12361

 

[-Jumpman-]

Well, if Japan, and EU to a lesser extent, don't have a "play to win" mentality, but rather have a "make sure the game is fun" mentality, then it would make a lot more sense that you guys don't have a MK problem; he's a really big hype killer, despite being the clear easiest path to victory(granted, time still needs to be put into the character to some extent), y'know?

I would love for NA to adopt your guys' mentalities, but this is the road we've chosen, and now look at the MK issue we have before us...

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We def have a play to win mentality lawl. Why else would we go to OoC tourneys all the time. Do Melee players don't have a play to win mentality because they don't all play Fox?

 

[Laem]

KF u blew it way out of proportion lol. Forgive the man for not knowing EU well.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Trolling using another persons troll.

Good shee KF <3

 

[Tearbear]

i didnt use MK >.<

 

[John12346]

Take it up with Mike, he's the one in charge of results of tournaments he hosted.

Just for reference sake, who DID you use??

 

[Ripple]

yo john, I hate to ask but since you already have a list of the tournaments used for this update can you go ahead and do the popularity update this time?

 

[John12346]

O___O;

Uh... I... guess I could...

 

[John12346]

Like I said, I guess I could ;p

This update will take into account all tournies that occurred between 7/16 and 7/31.

Looking at the new, updated data, it doesn't seem like the percentages changed too drastically for any character, so w/e. Ripple, I'll leave it to you to appropriately update the OP.

Raw Data

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Character Usage - 7/16/11 to 7/31/11:
Meta-Knight: 141
Diddy Kong: 41
Snake: 54
Falco: 52
Marth: 59
Wario: 29
Ice Climbers: 23
Olimar: 25
Pikachu: 17
Lucario: 24
King Dedede: 22
Zero Suit Samus: 15
Mr. Game and Watch: 23
Toon Link: 19
Fox: 15
Wolf: 11
Peach: 21
Donkey Kong: 11
Kirby: 13
R.O.B.: 26
Pit: 15
Sonic: 10
Ike: 10
Z-Sheik: 1
Luigi: 13
Sheik: 7
Ness: 7
Yoshi: 14
Pokemon Trainer: 5
Lucas: 5
Mario: 11
Bowser: 3
Samus: 7
Captain Falcon: 6
Link: 5
Jigglypuff: 5
Zelda: 6
Ganondorf: 3

Tournaments Used - All Tournaments Mentioned in the Following Posts:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13065630&postcount=828
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13105636&postcount=841
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13120739&postcount=849

 

[John12346]

The update for the weekend of 8/13/11 is going to be late, because I'm going on a week vacation and AFAIK there's no Wifi there, so...

Anyway, this wasn't MK's best week, but he still got the most bling, so idk.

Raw Data

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Characters
Pikachu: 227.67
DK: 51.67
ICs: 96.19
R.O.B.: 62.19
Snake: 216.5
Ganon: 46.5
Zamus: 90.6
Wario: 37.75
MK: 446.92
Falco: 114.5
Fox: 24
Peach: 40
Olimar: 45.52
Lucario: 47.6
Kirby: 6.3
Ness: 6.3
Diddy: 52.32
Lucas: 2.52
PT: 14
Sheik: 14
Ike: 30
Marth: 163.38
Dedede: 8.05
GaW: 30
TLink: 12
Sonic: 96
Z-Sheik: 5

Users
Pikachu: 331
DK: 155
ICs: 257.6
R.O.B.: 175.6
Snake: 323
Ganon: 93
Zamus: 134.6
Wario: 89.5
MK: 589.07
Falco: 232
Fox: 62
Peach: 40
Olimar: 55.6
Lucario: 91.7
Kirby: 25.2
Ness: 25.2
Diddy: 87.3
Lucas: 12.6
PT: 42
Sheik: 14
Ike: 30
Marth: 203.38
Dedede: 8.05
GaW: 78
TLink: 12
Sonic: 96
Z-Sheik: 5

Players
ESAM Pikachu: 155
ESAM DK: 155
ESAM ICs: 155
ESAM R.O.B.: 155
MVD Snake: 93
MVD Ganon: 93
Nick Riddle Zamus: 46.5
Seibrik Wario: 15.5
Seibrik MK: 15.5
Gnes Snake: 20
Gnes Wario: 20
Orion MK: 120
Bizkit Snake: 55
Bloodcross MK: 35
Bloodcross Falco: 35
Pelca Falco: 20
Pelca Fox: 20
Peachkid Peach: 10
IcyLight Olimar: 10
PatG Zamus: 88.2
PatG Lucario: 88.2
Jtails Kirby: 25.2
Jtails Ness: 25.2
Jtails Diddy: 25.2
Jtails MK: 25.2
NinjaLink Diddy: 12.6
NinjaLink R.O.B.: 12.6
NinjaLink Lucas: 12.6
NinjaLink Olimar: 12.6
NinjaLink ICs: 12.6
Kismet2 MK: 84
Reflex Wario: 42
Reflex PT: 42
Reflex Fox: 42
Billy Sheik: 14
HRNut Snake: 50
Ryo Ike: 30
2D-Jeff ICs: 18
GDX Diddy: 12
GDX Wario: 12
Viper Falco: 6
ExDeath MK: 6
Tyrant MK: 93.3
MikeHAZE Marth: 45.08
Tearbear MK: 14.49
Zekey Dedede: 8.05
Vinnie ICs: 72
Vinnie MK: 72
Vinnie GaW: 72
Denti Olimar: 33
DPhat MK: 21
Shadow1PJ TLink: 12
Illmatic Peach: 6
UTD Zac GaW: 6
K Prime Pikachu: 176
Espy Kasrani Sonic: 80
Nike Marth: 32
Zero Sonic: 16
Big Boss Snake: 8
Kevin B. R.O.B.(unlisted): 8
Seagull Snake: 22
Tiger MK: 15
Ivan Z-Sheik: 5
RedHalberd MK: 75
RedHalberd Snake: 75
RedHalberd Falco: 75
Felix Diddy: 37.5
Viviff MK: 12.5
DarkLink Marth: 80
DarkLink Falco: 80
Duff0 Marth: 40
Kyle Peach: 24
K9 Falco: 16

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308484
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308468
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308480
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308465
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308493
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308492
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303123 - E4H: Sidney
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308467
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308553
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308550
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308537
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308571
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30+ Entrant Tournaments

Characters
Pikachu: 227.67
DK: 51.67
ICs: 51.67
R.O.B.: 59.67
Snake: 64.5
Ganon: 46.5
Zamus: 46.5
Wario: 17.75
MK: 7.75
Sonic: 96
Marth: 32

Users
Pikachu: 331
DK: 155
ICs: 155
R.O.B.: 163
Snake: 121
Ganon: 93
Zamus: 46.5
Wario: 35.5
MK: 15.5
Sonic: 96
Marth: 32

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308484
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308468
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308553
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MK Banned Tournaments

Characters
ICs: 33
Wario: 33
Olimar: 33
GaW: 11

Users
ICs: 66
Wario: 66
Olimar: 33
GaW: 11

Usage
GaW: 2
ICs: 1
Olimar: 1
Peach: 1
Pikachu: 1
TLink: 1

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=308617

Update Commentary
- Meta-Knight breaks $30000.
- Snake breaks $9000!
- Peach ALMOST breaks $1000...
- Sonic regains viability!

 

[Tesh]

Remember that "user success" percentage you did before? Can you show that again for the current numbers?

 

[John12346]

User Success percentage? Be a little more specific, I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about...

 

[Tesh]

You had a list before showing of all the different players that used a character in tournament, only a certain percentage won any money at all. If I recall last time it showed all of top tier around 15-20 percent.

 

[John12346]

You mean you want the character breakdowns for EVERY CHARACTER or something? I think I'm missing something here...

 

[Tesh]

No, just a list of the percentages of character users that won money. Lets say next week we have 50 metaknight users in tourney. 5 of them place in the money. The user success would be 10%. 10 Diddy Kongs enter, 4 place in the money, 40% user success. MK makes more money, but a larger percentage of Diddy Kong users make money.

Thats just a hypothetical, but do you remember what I'm talking about now? I guess it wouldn't kill me to sift through these pages...

 

[John12346]

Don't worry, I got it.

Spoiler

If Ally's Pound 5 IC's are included, their success/usage value goes up to around ~24.

 

[Tesh]

..................?
that doesnt appear to be what i was asking for, ill find the post i saw it in before and you will see what i mean

edit: I'm not wondering about the dollar per use. I'm wondering what percentage of each group won money. The above post doesn't seem to indicate how many people got money, just how much money was won and how many people used each character.

If there are 1000 mk users and 1000 dollars won, I'm not asking if for 1$ per use, I'm asking if half of those mk users won 2 dollars or if 2 of those mk users won 500 dollars.


I must be missing something there, but how do i search the thread for every post by you?

 

[John12346]

http://www.smashboards.com/search.php?searchthreadid=295425

Under User Name, type in John12346, and you're good to go.

 

[-Jumpman-]

That list basically shows MK isn't broken. The top three characters have the same amount of success.

 

[John12346]

Not exactly.

Keep in mind that MK is used a crapload of times in tournament(as evidenced by Ripple's part of the work). It's not possible for all instances of MK use to make money, simply because there are not enough money making spots in any given tournament for him to do so. As such, it's not really possible for any character really to shine outlandishly in this category. Even if two characters have an acceptably close value in this category, it's not really possible to determine the magnitude of dominance between two characters using this chart.

A chart like this can only really be used to disprove the theory that "the reason MK has so much money because he's overused," as evidenced by MK's 13.5%-15% gain over Diddy and Snake's statistics. It can't really prove dominance or non-dominance, because otherwise, characters like, say, Falco and POKEMON TRAINER's values wouldn't really make a lot of sense.

tl;dr The fact MK is the highest is enough to disprove that "MK's dominance is attributed to being OU" only. Unless the values are REALLY close, it doesn't matter by how much the difference is.

 

[-Jumpman-]

Indeed, but we must also consider the fact that top players do play MK more than any other character. Proving dominance doesn't prove that MK is broken.