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But I said middle and you asked me to clarify so i did. There are 2 middles in a 6 item list
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Legality Tentative: MBR Official Ruleset for 2012
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CableCho57
Smash Lord
when will this become the official ruleset for all tourneys?
Xyzz
Smash Champion
Pokemon Stadium shouldn't be legal, it breaks the small stage = near blastzone(s) / vice versa paradigm of the other currently tournament - legal stages.
But what do I know, I'm just a biased Peach main, and detest the stage against spacies, and will happily admit that it's rather fine in most matchups (and don't see anything banworthy about a stage that's good for some characters (and nowhere near "too good")) :D
But what do I know, I'm just a biased Peach main, and detest the stage against spacies, and will happily admit that it's rather fine in most matchups (and don't see anything banworthy about a stage that's good for some characters (and nowhere near "too good")) :D
Beat!
Smash Master
I'd prefer if PS was banned, but I'm fine with it being legal too. I don't really mind either way.
Xyzz
Smash Champion
Pretty much this. But I just can't find a good reason to justify ( / convince people to support :D) a ban (:
Beat!
Smash Master
I'd be pretty okay with BF only, so I obviously disagree. More than 0 stages is "enough" for me.
Beat!
Smash Master
I said "pretty okay". FD is another "I'm fine either way" stage for me.
And I think Marth does perfectly fine vs S tiers on the other stages. I think he's 2nd best in the game, after all. If I thought he needed FD to manage, I wouldn't play him.
And I think Marth does perfectly fine vs S tiers on the other stages. I think he's 2nd best in the game, after all. If I thought he needed FD to manage, I wouldn't play him.
Bones0
Smash Legend
Only BF is gross. I would never enter a tournament without all 5 neutrals.
RaphaelRobo
Smash Champion
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PS has randomness, so it should be banned.
FoD has randomness, so it should be banned.
The tree on DL64 is trying to blow people. This is inappropriate, and the stage should therefore be banned.
YS has a cloud that no one likes, so it should be banned.
FD looks like a flying saucer. This means anyone who plays on the stage will get nightmares about being abducted. I'm sure the MBR is against nightmares, so this stage should be banned.
BF's edges kill people. This makes everyone mad, so BF should be banned.
Done. Now our ruleset is Big Blue only.
FoD has randomness, so it should be banned.
The tree on DL64 is trying to blow people. This is inappropriate, and the stage should therefore be banned.
YS has a cloud that no one likes, so it should be banned.
FD looks like a flying saucer. This means anyone who plays on the stage will get nightmares about being abducted. I'm sure the MBR is against nightmares, so this stage should be banned.
BF's edges kill people. This makes everyone mad, so BF should be banned.
Done. Now our ruleset is Big Blue only.
FerrishTheFish
Smash Ace
Fixed that for ya.
Purpletuce
Smash Lord
PS has strange blast lines, as well as buggy effects while transforming, and once transformed it is a giant gimmick. Also, it is the only CP, which is ridiculous. Why have only one CP, and what a coincidence it supports the best (and most commonly played) characters, the spacies. The MBR list should not have CPs only biased toward spacies, by either having no CPs, or CPs for a variety of characters. Spacies don't need help being good.
Fortress | Sveet
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There are a few stages in the "neutral" 5 that could be switched with PS to make an (arguably) more fair ruleset. For example, HK6 in Europe switched FD with PS.
The reason PS is a counter pick is simply because striking is unfair without an odd number of stages.
The reason PS is a counter pick is simply because striking is unfair without an odd number of stages.
KrIsP!
Smash Champion
Alternatively we could just practice 1v1 techskill on the character selection screen, the stage selection could be used as a counter pick for the lower tiered controllers.
FerrishTheFish
Smash Ace
But then we need official judges and timers, and official rules by which to judge techskill. And once we've got that, we might as well learn how to ice skate because our judges, timers, and rules would be perfect for that sport.
MaxThunder
PM Support
uh... how could it be used before the 6th match has been played?..
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
TBH removing the ban in a bo5 is the best thing that happened to me as far as learning MUs across all stages goes - I feel it really helped me level up as a player.
I can't ban FD anymore vs Falco and ICs so I just gotta learn the nuances. Same with FoD Puff and some other traditional character CPs.
From a competitor's standpoint I guess not having a ban sucks but I feel it encourages you to come up with unorthodox strats and such to help overcome the stage advantage which is fine and I think something to be promoted. Creative solutions make the game evolve. Stage bans (avoiding a level for a specific obstacle) promote stagnant play IMO. When something doesn't work, get rid of the level? Lame...
Then again I don't main Fox or Falco; I can see how the inability to ban FD would be a big deal. Being CGed to death four times is lame (although TBH I don't think many CGs go legit 0-death guaranteed on him either). Falcon having to play FoD is also lol but S2J usually does well vs me there so I think people just need to use more of his tricks and FoD stops being such a problem. Maybe he feels differently though.
I can't ban FD anymore vs Falco and ICs so I just gotta learn the nuances. Same with FoD Puff and some other traditional character CPs.
From a competitor's standpoint I guess not having a ban sucks but I feel it encourages you to come up with unorthodox strats and such to help overcome the stage advantage which is fine and I think something to be promoted. Creative solutions make the game evolve. Stage bans (avoiding a level for a specific obstacle) promote stagnant play IMO. When something doesn't work, get rid of the level? Lame...
Then again I don't main Fox or Falco; I can see how the inability to ban FD would be a big deal. Being CGed to death four times is lame (although TBH I don't think many CGs go legit 0-death guaranteed on him either). Falcon having to play FoD is also lol but S2J usually does well vs me there so I think people just need to use more of his tricks and FoD stops being such a problem. Maybe he feels differently though.
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But...that means I have to go to Stadium vs Fox!
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Yeah I agree, I feel like stage bans just let players stay bad at what they're bad at while still performing well. At our current stagelist, nothing deviates too far from the norm for it to really matter anyway.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Stadium Fox is gay but you get FD CGs so I mean
Suck it up?
Suck it up?
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Yeah, I'll probably be thankful in the long run. It'll just suck for a while. :\
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
It's one match, they can't get rid of FoD or FD, and in exchange there's no more Green Greens, Rainbow Cruise, Corneria, or Pokefloats.
You should be screaming for joy at this.
You should be screaming for joy at this.
Nah guys. Its all just randomly thrown together because I have no idea what I'm doing.
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tentative for 10 months cactuar 
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Cactuar it's hard for us to maintain a front of legitimacy when you come in here in the middle of a discussion just to spoil trade secrets >_>
Ruleset schedule:
December 25th, Final 2012 Ruleset
December 31st, Tentative 2013 Ruleset
December 25th, Final 2012 Ruleset
December 31st, Tentative 2013 Ruleset
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Why don't we just leave the ruleset
Unless stage hacking a la Melee online with standardized patches becomes a thing I seriously don't see this getting better for competitive play
I think we've reached a good balance overall
Unless stage hacking a la Melee online with standardized patches becomes a thing I seriously don't see this getting better for competitive play
I think we've reached a good balance overall
Your first point is super good. I thought one day before this no ban bo5 thing happened that I should be good on all stages in all matchups just in case, so I went and practiced them a lot with Twitch/thought at why I sucked on them and it made my life infinitely better.
Being CG'd blows but honestly no johns learn to keep warm and not get phased. Fearing the CG or any of its side effects just empowers it more than it needs to be.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
It's just like a softer version of learning tough character vs character MUs
You have to get resourceful and deal with the BS
This builds a variety of skills you don't really need in other MUs and helps you as a player
Blah blah blah
Play Falco vs me in some friendlies at ROM since I'm probably gonna get Mango or HBox in WSF since it is tradition
You have to get resourceful and deal with the BS
This builds a variety of skills you don't really need in other MUs and helps you as a player
Blah blah blah
Play Falco vs me in some friendlies at ROM since I'm probably gonna get Mango or HBox in WSF since it is tradition
Dude my Puff sucks but you can have the bird fosho LOL
edit: man wtf is this really my 4th rom coming up I am getting OLD
edit: man wtf is this really my 4th rom coming up I am getting OLD
Divinokage
Smash Legend
You dont know what old is, as long as I live.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I don't recall asking you to play Puff. Although I'd honestly be interested to see what your Puff would look like if you practiced her seriously vs whatever mix of people you feel would be most conducive for rapid improvement for like a week or so. You have some cool ideas with her. I'm not sure I agree with how significant you seem to think they are but who knows. After all, you're Dr. Peepee. And innocuous things tend to wind up being important in this game...
I was working hard on puff for a while but then Twitch got too mad at what I was doing <.<
I may try again sometime haha Puff can be pretty awesome
I may try again sometime haha Puff can be pretty awesome
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I think Puff can be cool
It's just easier not to be
But having 1 frame OHKO and lots of mobility in some way opens up a lot of doors for cool things IMHO
It's just easier not to be
But having 1 frame OHKO and lots of mobility in some way opens up a lot of doors for cool things IMHO
lame mixed with not lame is a fun time still for me
but what do I know
but what do I know
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
And that's why you're bisexual instead of full blown gay
OTP indeed
I really am lookin forward to playin you haha you need to beat some dudes(not me) melee needs you dawg
I wish I cared about stages but I still don't.....that neutral start rule is pretty awesome but no one ever uses it afaik except that time at IMPULSE where I used it vs Mango. Smash has a lot of strange rules....
I really am lookin forward to playin you haha you need to beat some dudes(not me) melee needs you dawg
I wish I cared about stages but I still don't.....that neutral start rule is pretty awesome but no one ever uses it afaik except that time at IMPULSE where I used it vs Mango. Smash has a lot of strange rules....