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The Captain Falcon Match-Up General Discussion ~ Week 21 (?)
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Will, don't think I don't know it's you.
You better watch your back next tournament, and that means a lot coming from a GAY ***GOT like me amirite?
Lol.
U gonna get *****.
You better watch your back next tournament, and that means a lot coming from a GAY ***GOT like me amirite?
Lol.
U gonna get *****.
Jim Morrison
Smash Authority
rofl, thinking Ramzeh is Willz XDXD
Ramzeh is semi-fat irl.
okay but this is like a 80:20 MU you *****es get camped the **** out of you.
Ramzeh is semi-fat irl.
okay but this is like a 80:20 MU you *****es get camped the **** out of you.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
This isn't the Ganon Boards
Yeah, I have the power of IP checks.
Shut up Guus and leave this place, you have no business here but to troll, so get out.
Jim Morrison
Smash Authority
I remember the week when I could just post things on this board without weird looks.
That's refered to here as the 5th week of the month
PZ
Smash Lord
Should I help cuz I never ever played tink b4 via cpu so ik nothing much but I always space now a days regardless of my ability to play actual ppl. On bf I believe any mu for falcon is winnable if you can get w/e character in the air.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Placebo Effect
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Break him even more than he already is.
You met me when i chubbones, too bad you stupid white *** trash ******* wont go chilling no more
stupid white **** white **** **** white
you hurt my feelings ):
datfat
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This is pretty much what I would like to believe. Assuming you don't let yourself get ***** by projectiles, catch bombs on reaction, handle the Z-air intelligently, and don't jump into random disjointed aerials, this matchup should be pretty awesome for Falcon.
By awesome, I mean well, if you catch TL shielding, you can pressure him really hard since his shieldgrab sucks and Falcon's autojab ***** his spotdodge (which is identical in frames to Falco's iirc). And TL is SO BAD at getting out of Falcon's juggles. He's floaty and like the perfect weight to be repeatedly juggled by U-airs. His D-air sucks and is easy for Falcon to punish. Like his best option to stop Falcon from juggling is a bomb toss basically lol.
Chsal
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Yea TL is floaty, though I think hes got a couple decent options to get out of juggles.
Other than Dair or bomb tossing, TL can
Airdodge and then Zair out of his Airdodge when your in range.
Invinci-Bomb. <- This should pretty much cover most of his landings.
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Yeah, I'm aware of airdodging -> Z-air. I just think it isn't very good against Falcon because of his fall speed and the range of his U-air. Thanks to Falcon's fall speed (and run speed as well), it's not hard for him to punish TL's D-air either.
And true while it's a good deal harder in general for Falcon to follow up on TL when he has a bomb, it's an option you can't assume he's always going to have since he first needs the time to pull a bomb, which he won't if Falcon is first juggling him.
And true while it's a good deal harder in general for Falcon to follow up on TL when he has a bomb, it's an option you can't assume he's always going to have since he first needs the time to pull a bomb, which he won't if Falcon is first juggling him.
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Well, I assume TL Zair outranges CF's Uair, since Zair outranges a couple of things. (Marths Fair lol). Also since TL can move away while airdodging and Zairing.
TL also should almost never use Dair, unless hes sure it'll hit.
And actually its quite reasonable to assume TL has a bomb. After being hit, he can pull out a bomb while flying away, and CF has no chance to catch up to him before he pulls it out. If he isn't hit far away enough, he could always just jump.
Otherwise this is probably one of the better situations for CF. Other than being right up close to TL on the ground. The only problem is actually getting into this situation.
TL also should almost never use Dair, unless hes sure it'll hit.
And actually its quite reasonable to assume TL has a bomb. After being hit, he can pull out a bomb while flying away, and CF has no chance to catch up to him before he pulls it out. If he isn't hit far away enough, he could always just jump.
Otherwise this is probably one of the better situations for CF. Other than being right up close to TL on the ground. The only problem is actually getting into this situation.
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Objectively speaking Falcon is a better juggler than Marth due to his physics. Just saying.
At high percents, yes TL is more likely to have time to pull a bomb to deter Falcon's juggles. Around low to moderate percents, Falcon's throw setups however aren't going to leave much time for TL to do much.
The way I see the matchup is that provided Falcon finds a way in, TL is a pretty easy target for him to combo to relatively high damage due to his floatiness. That's pretty much all I'm trying to say.
At high percents, yes TL is more likely to have time to pull a bomb to deter Falcon's juggles. Around low to moderate percents, Falcon's throw setups however aren't going to leave much time for TL to do much.
The way I see the matchup is that provided Falcon finds a way in, TL is a pretty easy target for him to combo to relatively high damage due to his floatiness. That's pretty much all I'm trying to say.
lordhelmet
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^Agreeing with this guys.
Ratio guys? I'm sticking with 40-60, an average Falcon MU... not as hard as the likes of Luigi and such.
60:40
One character has clearly better tools in the matchup.
However, the other character does have responses him,
and the matchup is still winnable through outplaying the opponent
or out spacing his tools and countering with the weaker ones well placed.
^^ Fits this match-up perfectly.
Ratio guys? I'm sticking with 40-60, an average Falcon MU... not as hard as the likes of Luigi and such.
60:40
One character has clearly better tools in the matchup.
However, the other character does have responses him,
and the matchup is still winnable through outplaying the opponent
or out spacing his tools and countering with the weaker ones well placed.
^^ Fits this match-up perfectly.
Darky-Sama
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40:60 seems about right. 35:65 being the worst.
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Delete this thread, captain falcon doesn't exist in brawl, only a genetically gone wrong version of him exists there.
lordhelmet
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IdkmybffJill
Lionman
Smash Champion
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Okay this is getting derailed xD
Gonna hold a vote for Tink's ratio. 40-60 or 35-65, I reeaaally don't consider it 35-65 but if that's what you guys think vote for it and we'll see.
60:40
One character has clearly better tools in the matchup.
However, the other character does have responses him,
and the matchup is still winnable through outplaying the opponent
or out spacing his tools and countering with the weaker ones well placed.
65:35
One character has options that shut down the other's options.
Counterpicking should be considered, but it's not completely unwinnable,
but rather simply requires one player to far outplay the other.
My vote goes to 40-60. Btw, we're gonna discuss Yoshi at their boards so we're discussing Yoshi now I guess.
Gonna hold a vote for Tink's ratio. 40-60 or 35-65, I reeaaally don't consider it 35-65 but if that's what you guys think vote for it and we'll see.
60:40
One character has clearly better tools in the matchup.
However, the other character does have responses him,
and the matchup is still winnable through outplaying the opponent
or out spacing his tools and countering with the weaker ones well placed.
65:35
One character has options that shut down the other's options.
Counterpicking should be considered, but it's not completely unwinnable,
but rather simply requires one player to far outplay the other.
My vote goes to 40-60. Btw, we're gonna discuss Yoshi at their boards so we're discussing Yoshi now I guess.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Thanks for all the input, Chsal. Please vote people :D
Here's the Yoshi discussion btw, http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236197
Here's the Yoshi discussion btw, http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236197
Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
Sticking with 40:60.
mlorenzo
Smash Journeyman
40:60 tinks
lordhelmet
Smash Master
This was more 1-sided than I thought. 40-60 it is.
Discussing Yoshi at their boards now if you guys didn't know.
Discussing Yoshi at their boards now if you guys didn't know.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Uhhhh bamp.
Yoshi is basically done. 45-55 Yoshi.
Fffuuu I'm so slow, these summaries are kicking my ***.
Yoshi is basically done. 45-55 Yoshi.
Fffuuu I'm so slow, these summaries are kicking my ***.
I play a Yoshi quite regularly. Lavlis, top(/only?) Yoshi player in the Netherlands. He's a cool guy, with more tricks up his sleeve than you can imagine. He's that low tier player that robs n00by players of any hope and he laughs his way through your ****ty defense.
60-40 Yoshi favor.
Projectiles, we can't beat eggs except shielding or rushing in.. to his mouth DO NOT WANT..
Combo ability. BAir's a *****, and we have the misfortune of being the heaviest fastfaller. U/FTilt knocks us up. Every good Yoshi will CAPITALIZE on this.
Killing abilty, Yoshi kinda lacks in this department with his slow smashes. But UAir and NAir are enough to end us easily. And besides these 2 he has even more options. Bleugh.
He has a guaranteed Chaingrab > Spike/USmash on us, and his (pivot)grab while laggy, still outranges everything except FKick. But that's a bad option anyways. Grab release also sets up positioning that's excellent for him. For us? Not so much. Also, his DJ Heavy Armor > our flub knee. He also recovers with no problem if we manage to grab him out of his DJ.
more stuff like offstage crap/counterpicks/falcon is manlier but
im lazy
6:4 Y
60-40 Yoshi favor.
Projectiles, we can't beat eggs except shielding or rushing in.. to his mouth DO NOT WANT..
Combo ability. BAir's a *****, and we have the misfortune of being the heaviest fastfaller. U/FTilt knocks us up. Every good Yoshi will CAPITALIZE on this.
Killing abilty, Yoshi kinda lacks in this department with his slow smashes. But UAir and NAir are enough to end us easily. And besides these 2 he has even more options. Bleugh.
He has a guaranteed Chaingrab > Spike/USmash on us, and his (pivot)grab while laggy, still outranges everything except FKick. But that's a bad option anyways. Grab release also sets up positioning that's excellent for him. For us? Not so much. Also, his DJ Heavy Armor > our flub knee. He also recovers with no problem if we manage to grab him out of his DJ.
more stuff like offstage crap/counterpicks/falcon is manlier but
im lazy
6:4 Y
Lionman
Smash Champion
Yoshi is better than Falcon
Yoshi is a weird match up
60:40
Yoshi is a weird match up
60:40
BigLord
Smash Lord
I thought you guys had already made up your minds on this? Wasn't it agreed on 55-45 Yoshi's favor?
lordhelmet
Smash Master
I thought so because literally everyone on the Yoshi Boards (bar Polt) said 45-55 Yoshi...
BigLord
Smash Lord
I read that entire thread and I also agreed with that percentage.
Do we have to call the yoshis here now? Lol
Do we have to call the yoshis here now? Lol
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Please don't. I would say something, then they would take it way out of context and mis-interpret my post and flame me.
55:45
No character has a true solid advantage, but one has seemingly better/easier tools,
or one character profits more from winning a rock/paper/scissors guessing game.
60:40
One character has clearly better tools in the matchup.
However, the other character does have responses him,
and the matchup is still winnable through outplaying the opponent
or out spacing his tools and countering with the weaker ones well placed.
55:45 makes way more sense than 60-40... I guess I can explain my reasoning in a sec.
55:45
No character has a true solid advantage, but one has seemingly better/easier tools,
or one character profits more from winning a rock/paper/scissors guessing game.
60:40
One character has clearly better tools in the matchup.
However, the other character does have responses him,
and the matchup is still winnable through outplaying the opponent
or out spacing his tools and countering with the weaker ones well placed.
55:45 makes way more sense than 60-40... I guess I can explain my reasoning in a sec.