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Wave⁂

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Assuming 252 / 252 stats...

Turn 1: I Curse, you switch in
Turn 2: You Dragon Dance. I Yawn.
Turn 3: You Crabhammer. I Payback. 53% Umb, 63% Craw
Turn 4: You sleep. I Last Resort. You faint.

Turn 1: I Curse, you switch in
Turn 2: You Taunt. I Payback. 100% Umb, 63% Craw
If you don't Dragon Dance, Crabhammer is a 6HKO, I 3HKO.
If you do Dragon Dance, you 3HKO, but you're dead before that.

FAIL.
 

xLeafybug =D

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Yawn sets can be quite annoying to counter, as it leaves limited item choices, making countering it easier. But here we go.

vs. Umbreon

Yanmega @ Lum Berry
104 Def/252 Sp. Atk/152 Spe
Modest/Tinted Lens
Bug Buzz
Air Slash
HP Ground
Roost

I'm pretty sure this works. inb4electrode...Or anything running stone edge.

EDIT: Replaced Psychic with Roost.
 

Wave⁂

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Yeah, can't argue with that. It's basically getting two free turns.

Also using Pokemon like Yanmega, who'll probably be BL soon. >_>

Registeel @ Wise Glasssses
Modest / 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpDef
Focus Blast
Thunder
Flash Cannon
HP Grass

HP Ground is a 4HKO. Thunder 2HKOs.
 

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Yeah, can't argue with that. It's basically getting two free turns.

Also using Pokemon like Yanmega, who'll probably be BL soon. >_>

Registeel @ Wise Glasssses
Modest / 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpDef
Focus Blast
Thunder
Flash Cannon
HP Grass

HP Ground is a 4HKO. Thunder 2HKOs.
Registeel needs to go to BL... NOW.
I also have to ask, why use atk EVs on a Registeel with no physical moves?
I think you mean 252 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 4 Sp. Def
 

ungulateman

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@Registeel:

Dusclops @ Leftovers
Careful
252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
- Earthquake
- Pain Split
- Shadow Punch
- Will-O-Wisp

Flash cannon 4HKOs. EQ 2HKOs.
 

Wave⁂

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Swellow @ Toxic Orb
Guts / Adamant
252 Atk / 252 Spe
Facade
Brave Bird
Pursuit
Mirror Move

Swellow's physical movepool is tiny. Anyways, I KO with Pursuit.
 

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Why use toxic orb over flame orb? Guts negates the attack loss from burn and still gives the attack boost for the status. Plus you'd take less damage thanks to the fact that burn doesn't increase potency each turn.

Just thought I'd point that out in case you didn't know.
 

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...but I do more damage this way, right? Flame Orb is better if you anticipate Stealth Rock and / or repeated switch-ins, IMO.
 

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Err, no?

All Toxic Orb has over Flame Orb is that for the first 3 turns it does less/equal damage - something pretty useful as you're not going to stay in for a long time, most of the time.
 

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I am shocked at my failure. All I had to do was throw a Payback-walling Taunt-user out, and I couldn't even do that. I am a disgrace.

*Laments*

Rhyperior w/Muscle Band
Jolly/Solid Rock
200 Atk./ 200 Def./ 110 Speed
+ Rock Wrecker
+ Rock Polish
+ Earthquake
+ Dynamicpunch
I have no idea if...No.
 

RuNNing Riot

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Rhyperior w/Muscle Band
Jolly/Solid Rock
200 Atk./ 200 Def./ 110 Speed
+ Rock Wrecker
+ Rock Polish
+ Earthquake
+ Dynamicpunch
I have no idea if...No.
Rock Wrecker? Good grief.

Uxie @ Leftovers
152Sp.A/252Def./104HP

Grass Knot
Psychic
Yawn
Substitute

Is immune to Earthquake, high defense to wall your sttacks, resists DynamicPunch and OHKOs very nicely with 4x supereffective Grass Knot. Is almost certainly faster than you, blocks Rock Wrecker with Sub and reaps the benefits of a free turn. :)
 

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For the record, DynamicPunch only hits every other turn without accuracy boosts.

Houndoom @ Life Orb
Timid / Early Bird
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Nasty Plot
Dark Pulse
Fire Blast
HP Flying (lol)
 

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For the record, DynamicPunch only hits every other turn without accuracy boosts.

Houndoom @ Life Orb
Timid / Early Bird
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Nasty Plot
Dark Pulse
Fire Blast
HP Flying (lol)
Politoed and Focus Sash (just in case <3)
Calm / Water Absorb
252 Spdef / 252 Spd /4 HP

Swagger
Water Pulse
Rest
HP Fighting (xDDD)
 

WouW

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Houndoom 2HKO's with +2 Dark Pulse, while HP Fighting only 3HKOs, and you're slower.

Also, read the rules and note that Focus Sash 'just in case' is banned.
 

RuNNing Riot

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For the record, DynamicPunch only hits every other turn without accuracy boosts.
Even better! :laugh:

Slowking @ Leftovers
Own Tempo
200Sp.D/252HP/56Sp.A

Slack Off
Nasty Plot
HP Electric
Ice Beam

Immune to Swagger, resists Water Pulse and HP Fighting, boosts with Nasty Plot and 2HKOs with Hp Electric. Slack Offs any damage.
 

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Even better! :laugh:

Slowking @ Leftovers
Own Tempo
200Sp.D/252HP/56Sp.A

Slack Off
Nasty Plot
HP Electric
Ice Beam

Immune to Swagger, resists Water Pulse and HP Fighting, boosts with Nasty Plot and 2HKOs with Hp Electric. Slack Offs any damage.
You countered the wrong Pokemon. Houndoom is the current counter.
 

Metal~Mario

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What's the nature on that Slowking?

If it's Modest:

Ampharos@Leftovers
Calm/Static
252SpA/252SpDef/4Def

Reflect
Thunderbolt
Signal Beam
Focus Blast

Thunderbolt is a 2HKO (56.9%-66.8%, negating Leftovers and/or Slack off), whereas a +2Ice Beam is a 3HKO (+0 is a 5HKO)
 

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Slowking is not the current counter, and I would assume that Bibarel isn't either, as it lacks 4 moves, which is against the rules:
Rule 3: Post full EV spreads, nature and ability and full movesets - use only one move per slot. So don't post things like:

Slaking @ Life Orb
255Atk
Giga Impact/Return
Filler
Filler
Filler

This is because users wouldn't know which moves, nature, EVs or ability they must take into account.
People need to pay attention... Seriously.

Anyhoo, @Houndoom

Feraligatr @ Life Orb
252 Atk / 200 Sp. Def / 56 Spe
Jolly / Torrent
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Ice Punch
Earthquake

Takes 2 Dark Pulse, 0HKO with Waterfall.
 

ungulateman

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Leafeon @ Leftovers
Impish / Leaf Guard
252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
-Leaf Blade
-X-Scissor
-Return
-Wish

Survives a DDed Ice Punch, and KOs with Leaf Blade after LO recoil.
 

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Slowking is not the current counter, and I would assume that Bibarel isn't either, as it lacks 4 moves, which is against the rules:


People need to pay attention... Seriously.

Anyhoo, @Houndoom

Feraligatr @ Life Orb
252 Atk / 200 Sp. Def / 56 Spe
Jolly / Torrent
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Ice Punch
Earthquake

Takes 2 Dark Pulse, 0HKO with Waterfall.
That says don't post 2 moves as the same thing.

Not having 4 moves isn't against the rules, it just means the counter doesn't know 4 moves...
 

Wave⁂

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Filler =! nothing. Filler implies Slaking has Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Earthquake (?), Shadow Claw, Return.
 

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Duskclops @ Leftovers
Impish / Pressure
252 HP / 28 Atk / 228 Def
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split
DynamicPunch
ThunderPunch
 

RuNNing Riot

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Duskclops @ Leftovers
Impish / Pressure
252 HP / 28 Atk / 228 Def
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split
DynamicPunch
ThunderPunch
That's better! :) Now, where was I...

Pinsir @ Life Orb
Adamant/Hyper Cutter
200Def./252Atk/56Spd.

Swords Dance
Stone Edge
Earthquake
X-Scissor

Ignores Will-O-Wisp's attack cut with Hyper Cutter and resists DynamicPunch. HP recovery for you is reduced to a minimum due to no HP EVs invested. Boosts up with Swords Dance and 2HKOs with Earthquake (or maybe an OHKO with a lucky Stone Edge).

UnFixed.
 

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That's better! :) Now, where was I...

Pinsir @ Life Orb
Adamant/Hyper Cutter
200Def./252Atk/56Spd.

Swords Dance
Stone Edge
Earthquake
X-Scissor

Ignores Will-O-Wisp's attack cut with Hyper Cutter and resists DynamicPunch. HP recovery for you is reduced to a minimum due to no HP EVs invested. Boosts up with Swords Dance and 2HKOs with Earthquake (or maybe an OHKO with a lucky Stone Edge).

UnFixed.
That's a tough one, but I think this will work:

Regirock@Shuca Berry
Adamant/Clear Body
252HP/252AT/4Def

Stone Edge
Earthquake
Ice Punch
Fire Punch

After a SD, Pinsir does 45.3%-53% with Earthquake/Stone Edge (2 +0 Earthquakes deal 80.8% max), whereas my Stone Edge (92.6% min) +LO recoil is a KO.
 

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-Pinsir SDs, you switch in
-Pinsir SDs, you SE, does min ~92%
-Pinsir X-Scissors, kills itself while doing 84.77% - 100.00%. Max damage is assumed so you get KOed.
EDIT:forgot the one def EV stat you have, just barely pushing it outside being a OHKO. Lol.
 

RuNNing Riot

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Regirock@Shuca Berry
Adamant/Clear Body
252HP/252AT/4Def

Stone Edge
Earthquake
Ice Punch
Fire Punch

After a SD, Pinsir does 45.3%-53% with Earthquake/Stone Edge (2 +0 Earthquakes deal 80.8% max), whereas my Stone Edge (92.6% min) +LO recoil is a KO.
Toughie. Let me try this one...

Tangrowth@Leftovers
Lax/Chlorophyll
252HP/150Def/100Sp.Atk

Leaf Storm
Sunny Day
Giga Drain
Focus Blast

No STAB + high base Def. and HP and Leftovers recover means you 4HKO at best with Fire/Ice Punch. I use Giga Drain or Focus Blast to 2HKO, or Leaf Storm to OHKO.
 

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Toughie. Let me try this one...

Tangrowth@Leftovers
Lax/Chlorophyll
252HP/150Def/100Sp.Atk

Leaf Storm
Sunny Day
Giga Drain
Focus Blast

No STAB + high base Def. and HP and Leftovers recover means you 4HKO at best with Fire/Ice Punch. I use Giga Drain or Focus Blast to 2HKO, or Leaf Storm to OHKO.

2 Special Grass moves? For the lols right?

Charizard@Life Orb
Modest/Blaze
252SpA/252Speed/4Spdef

Fire Blast
Focus Punch
HP Grass
Dragon Pulse

I thank you for an opportunity to use Charizard.

Is there a rule against focus punch?
 

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Mantine @ Leftovers
Calm / Water Absorb
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Atk
Hydro Pump
Toxic
HP Flying
Mirror Coat
 

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Luxray @ Expert Belt
Adamant / Intimidate
4 Hp / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
-Spark
-Superpower
-Crunch
-Ice Fang
 

RuNNing Riot

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Just as a note, the OP should also include Sheer Cold as one of the moves that isn't allowed (since it's OHKO).
He speaks the truth! lol.

2 Special Grass moves? For the lols right?
Whoops again. I must have forgotten to replace it when I redid my damage calculations. :embarrass

Luxray @ Expert Belt
Adamant / Intimidate
4 Hp / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
-Spark
-Superpower
-Crunch
-Ice Fang
Okay, then...

Weezing@Leftovers
Bold/Levitate
252HP/200Def./56Sp.Atk

Will-O-Wisp
Sludge Bomb
Flamethrower
Hidden Power Ground

You 4HKO at best with Spark not counting Leftovers recovery or burn. Wrecks your strat with said burn, then proceeds to 2HKO with HP Ground.
 
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