Yes but the problem is now we're talking about an individual character against a part of a team. Its very difficult to compare them directly in that light. I think that Ivy beats out Zelda if we ignore fatigue and the ability of either to switch. Once you include those things I don't really know anymore.
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The Official BBR Tier List v4 -> Sonic's HA Stall is NOT beaten by spot dodge!!!!!!!!
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Tarmogoyf
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Yeah, Ivy is a little better in a vacumm. My problem is that games aren't played in a vacumm. W/E.
I get what you're saying but I just don't know how to compare 1 character with 1/3 of a character.
Tarmogoyf
Smash Master
Yeah, it's why I said W/E.
Magik0722
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deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
Ivysaur beats Zelda with fatigue and by himself.
I would know.
I would know.
No she can't. It's not wise to spam bair. Almost every character can airdodge through and punish.
Lol. Not really. Safest option is pivot grab (and it doesn't have that great a range) and razor leaf chasing a grab.
Nair is amazing. Has ******** priority at the nose, I've interrupted shuttle loops with it. (That being said, Ivy vs MK is like 90:10 lol)
Just thought I'd clear that up. Continue.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
i wish ivy's pivot grab had the range of like oli or samus' pivot grab. it would rise her like a whole tier. no joke
yummynbeefy
Smash Champion
this may be the worst list ever i have so many nitpicks about it
S and A tiers are both fine and dandy
B tier is where things really start to get messed up imho d3 should be below oli and pika gnw should be between oli and pika in their new positions and lucario should be replaced by ZSS in high tier
mid tier
pit IS NOT THAT GOOD!!!!! i played pit almost exclusively since brawl came out ( i play melee alot more now but yeah u get the picture ) switch tl with pit and put dk above kirby so that would be TL, pit, lucario, DK, kirby then for the D tier peach should sooo be higher than that scratch that i put her right below pit so kirby is top of D then fox, rob, weegee, wolf
good E and f tier are good exept link should be pushed into mid f tier imo
ZELDA IS NOT G TIER!!!!! if youve seen ED! play i simply cannot believe she is that low also he recently placed 5th and took out some of floridas best WITH ZELDA going sheik for like 2 matches
S and A tiers are both fine and dandy
B tier is where things really start to get messed up imho d3 should be below oli and pika gnw should be between oli and pika in their new positions and lucario should be replaced by ZSS in high tier
mid tier
pit IS NOT THAT GOOD!!!!! i played pit almost exclusively since brawl came out ( i play melee alot more now but yeah u get the picture ) switch tl with pit and put dk above kirby so that would be TL, pit, lucario, DK, kirby then for the D tier peach should sooo be higher than that scratch that i put her right below pit so kirby is top of D then fox, rob, weegee, wolf
good E and f tier are good exept link should be pushed into mid f tier imo
ZELDA IS NOT G TIER!!!!! if youve seen ED! play i simply cannot believe she is that low also he recently placed 5th and took out some of floridas best WITH ZELDA going sheik for like 2 matches
clowsui
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for everyone's information, chueee hasn't accomplished anything significant in tournament and tends to whine and theorycraft a lot
i would say it sounds like me but i'm actually entering tournaments even if i'm getting 0-2'd in them due to me getting a bad seed in pools. better a bad seed than a forum's weed, eh?
also yummy zelda needs to do well w/ multiple people and consistently...also she needs to have good attributes lol
kirby should not be in d tier when you consider his attributes + his performance
i would say it sounds like me but i'm actually entering tournaments even if i'm getting 0-2'd in them due to me getting a bad seed in pools. better a bad seed than a forum's weed, eh?
also yummy zelda needs to do well w/ multiple people and consistently...also she needs to have good attributes lol
kirby should not be in d tier when you consider his attributes + his performance
yummynbeefy
Smash Champion
yea it is scarylb and after the way he played he deserves to b able to gloat and boast and basically do watever he wants i mean he just does horrible things to people as zelda his sheik is also boss if you havent seen itEd = Scary correct? He was boasting about his playing on Zelda BoardsYeah apparently his Zelda is pretty nasty. He's gonna show us some vids he said.
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post them here if you dont mindEd = Scary correct? He was boasting about his playing on Zelda Boards
People complaining that one character needs to be one or two spots LOWER in placement but still in the same tier
I think if anyone is ever caught with such a borderline fallacy in their arguments they should be BANNED FOREVER.
I think if anyone is ever caught with such a borderline fallacy in their arguments they should be BANNED FOREVER.
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Being obnoxious should be equally punishable by death banning.
Minwu
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Florida's too full of D3s.
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definately
da K.I.D.
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he went from being the best character in S tier to the worst character in S tier, what more do you people want?
Lol, since when? There are more Metas than anything here. :/
This would be more accurate I think.
Sadly, this is no longer true. >;
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your all incorrect its full of bob cats and alligators
Albert.
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and old people :O
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
And people who can't powershield 
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Just because Ally is good with Captain Falcon doesn't mean Captain Falcon's not the 3rd worst in the game, either, but here we are.
I forget who, but I remember a couple BBR members talking about how CF should be higher months ago, before the Ally-CF hype.
Nanaki
Smash Lord
Probably Reflex and .joel
I don't disagree with it. His mobility alone puts him above Ganon and Zelda. It doesn't mean he's good, he's just not totally abysmal.
Right around Jiggs sounds right to me.
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Well they put him right above Samus who is above Jiggs, so that should be fine right?
I feel that DK is WAY to low. I thought he was right around Pikachu, and above Olimar with the playing I have seen with him. I guess not.
I feel that DK is WAY to low. I thought he was right around Pikachu, and above Olimar with the playing I have seen with him. I guess not.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
No, Captain Falcon is abysmal. lol
The only character still in low tier that I would even consider moving to mid if I had the opportunity is Ike, and that's iffy cause he sucks. MAYBE you could move Yoshi too, but he's pretty bad in his own right.
The only character still in low tier that I would even consider moving to mid if I had the opportunity is Ike, and that's iffy cause he sucks. MAYBE you could move Yoshi too, but he's pretty bad in his own right.
i believe yoshi is similar to ness was, not exploited enough
choknater
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i like this tier list a lot
☆_Mutha-Foxin GangstaKirby_☆
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how is ganny not B tier? he can kill at 40 with warlock punch.....
and dla's dorf beat allys mk
and dla's dorf beat allys mk
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