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I agree, they shouldn't be banned, just the stages where you can back them into the wall, like Shadow Moses Island. It would suck if you were winning a match with Dedede or Falco and you used down throw 3 times in a row or something, and you got disqualified. But it's really cheap at stages with walls, especially with Dedede since you can do a downsmash immediately after it's over.
Says the Ice Climber <_<
Characters who can tech it.Look, we're not gonna have chaingrabs banned unless there is a huge outburst of tourney winners who FAIL at everything but chaingrabbing.
A quick question: who are the most resistant characters to DDD's Chaingrabbing? I don't play enough DDD's to find out.
If I'm not mistaken, there are characters that simply fall too far for Dedede to grab again. It's not necessarily that they can tech, so much as they fall too far, period.
Well, Luigi can be chaingrabbed; it just has to be a standing chaingrab, and it only works five times in a row, unless Dedede pummels in-between each hit, which he won't get to do in a real match.
O shiiiiiiiiiiiiz thats lame as hell.
But that's not counting the five free standing grabs beforehand, either.
Son of a *****, there goes my Dedede counter.
OMG you said it! spamming also isn't cheap :x if you can't get around it then don't complain... practice... and ****... lol i suck against ice climbers b/c of the CG... once I learn to get around it I won't have a problem in almost any matchup :3
lol. if circle camping with (insert character here) on hyrule always win you the game(and it worked on a majority of the characters), then stages that allow for circle camping should be banned because circle camping would be a tactic that over-centralized the game. because it would be "pick character had can circle camp well, hit opponent with anything, run away for rest of the match OR LOSE". in which case, the tactic would over-centralize and imo stages that allow for it should be banned. cg's and even infinites do nothing of the sort. they don't over-centralize, so abusing CHARACTER SPECIFIC weaknesses/bad matchups is playing to win.....as long as the tactic doesn't break the game as a whole.
Why they'd keep it hidden is beyond me. It's not like word won't spread once it's first used in tournaments. And it's not like there seems to be a way to escape it.
No, it makes you a N00b. Whining about how that justifies a ban makes you a Scrub.
Apparently, someone didn't know that chaingrabbing in Training Mode has different gameplay than in actual verus mode. I'll be a while, but I'll come back with an example in a couple of hours.
We didn't actually "hold it back" ... we were just talking about it and we didnt create a topic to hype it lol ("OMFG DDD CAN CG WEEGEE, DDD 4 MK TIERZ").
No, because it only really affects DK/Bowser. Bowser can standing chaingrab Dedede, and DK's a good enough character where he can reasonably stay away from it. (You still probably shouldn't try, however.
) The fact that they can do stuff back has nothing to do with whether or not it should be banned, however; I'm just stating a bit of solace.
I agree for Bowser and DK but D3 can standing chaingrab Luigi, Mario and Samus in addition, samus can't escape the D-throw > D-tilt "combo". You grab Samus, You get a free kill, no ?No, because it only really affects DK/Bowser. Bowser can standing chaingrab Dedede, and DK's a good enough character where he can reasonably stay away from it. (You still probably shouldn't try, however.
Not only that, but it's not really a standing chaingrab on DK/Bowser, since you have to more slightly forward each time against them. Just play near the edge, and it won't be -so- bad.
Dedede can only standing chaingrab those characters five times before they bounce away too far to regrab. The only way to rectify this is if Dedede pummels you once in-between grabs, and his is so slow that you should be able to shake out of it at any reasonable percentage. A breakout at 129% after a single pummel has been recorded in a real match, so as long as you try to break out, it won't affect you too much. As such, it's only serious trouble for Bowser/DK.
It probably does, but why would you bother? He can chaingrab both of them regularly anyway.
It has nothing to do with the ease of controls or slowed-down speed compared to Melee.
This isn't true, even with the single pummel it is inescapable at human thresholds.
