I was actually going under the assumption that this AT would be character specifici, because, if a global AT adds depth to Brawl but makes one character overpowered, I think the depth of Brawl would take priority over that one single character, but wouldn't take priority over MULTIPLE characters.
Still, we do not ban ATs just for being "too good", we ban the character. If it's a global AT (and broken in general), then we can ban it. But if it's character specific, then it's just for that one character and a part of that character, thus the entire character has to go or we're doing the equivalent of putting an arbitrary handicap on him.
"Using this, you're too good. So you cannot use it!" - It's pretty much the same as fiddling around with handicaps. We're changing his metagame to make him worse in order to not ban him.
I openly admitted that new tactics and strategies made him better, "otherwise it's just new tactics and strategies that would make him better... but they wouldn't eliminate the neutral matchups. " But I don't think it would push him over the top (Judging from the past metagame progression, but who knows, I could be proven completely wrong in the future)
Yes, because it's
possible.
Pretty much agreed here, though, I'm wondering, you might have explained it before, if you have I apologize, but what is the threshold? Where does he become "too good"? In my opinion 60:40 is a reasonable chance, and even to a degree 70:30, Wolf vs MK is 70:30, yet we're told that Wolf still has a reasonable chance against MK. But even by going 60:40, does MK have to 60:40 and beyond the entire cast to go beyond the threshold? Does he have to 70:30 all the cast? 80:20?
In my opinion, 60:40 definitely qualifies for "reasonable". 70:30 is pushing it, especially if that's all the character has (as in, the worst he has is 70:30).
Definitely a possibility, what's your definition of too good?
"No reasonable chance..."
Important parts are bolded, I never said that no one has a reasonable chance.
I never said you did. Unless this isn't directed at me.
Oh, hello. Were we asking for a list of qualifications that would catch MK but nobody else, or were we just trying to make an excuse to try to pick apart a post of mine again?
I've specifically said, in the very same post where I stressed the need for criteria that fit only MK, that twe also have to be able to motivate it with a criteria that pertains to him being "too good", standing no reasonable chance to lose.
If you missed it, it's not my fault.
After all, if we're only asking for reasons that catch MK but no one else, that's not banning him for being too good, that's just banning him because we don't like it. We're just finding things that pertain to only him in order to justify an arbitrary ban.
Prove he's too good. Translate it into qualifications for a ban.
#1 and #2 are both in there because they are severely limited, not nonexistant. This does exactly what you asked for: Lays out criteria to ban Meta Knight that wouldn't ban Marth. None of it was intending to demonstrate "too good".
No, but I layed out earlier that the criteria need to include "too good", too. We cannot randomly ban a character without him actually
being too good, thus the criteria must cntain "too good":
Please go re-read my explanation of what its purpose was for before you try to take apart my points again. Oh, and let me know if you think any character other than MK, with the removal of MK, will meet them. That would actually invalidate their purpose, as opposed to what your entire response didn't do.
Please go re-read my post where I explain what we need to do to ban Meta Knight. Unless you, of course, elected to do only
a part of what I said and wholly ignore the rest and not tell me, thus making me think you hadn't read it.
Also,
of course the criteria must contain "too good". It's one fo the
most important reasons for banning a character! In fact, it's
the most important reason!
It takes more skill than your opponent to beat MK, making fights with him an uphill battle. And sure he has small weaknesses, but they're almost trivial when compared to the rest of the cast.
What is "more skill"? And does requiring more of it make him "too good" and you not stand a "reasonable chance"?
Urm...Yuna...
You are now blaming me for not being psychic. I think you put it best however:
...take it up with yourself.
O RLY? Quote me where I blame you for not being psychic.