Sharky
Smash Master
but you know that they're going to air release, so can't your teammate just position himself there for the strong hit?
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The Official Yoshi FAQ/Q&A Thread -- [Please look here before posting!]
- Thread starter Shiri
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Grab release sets up for aerials and usmashes, grab hold sets up for fsmashes or dsmashes. (Or Weegee's Shoryuken)
In general fsmashes and dsmashes have more KO power than aerials or usmashes.
Yes, I know that's a ridiculous overgeneralization but it's still kinda true... look at the first few tiers for example
In general fsmashes and dsmashes have more KO power than aerials or usmashes.
Yes, I know that's a ridiculous overgeneralization but it's still kinda true... look at the first few tiers for example
bigman40
Smash Master
Alright Yoshi community. I've looked a little into the Egg lay fake, and now, I might have some uses for it if you guys can find a way to make it easier to work. If you guys find a way to get it easier, then you'll have 30 frames to do whatever you want (I've only been able to test this on Yoshi and Wolf. It might vary, but i won't know unless I can cancel the **** thing easier). So someone find a way to make this move possible.
Sharky
Smash Master
meh, a charged usmash should be able to get the job done, unless you're someone with a really weak usmash. Also, if you're a taller character, you can re-grab from the air release.
Those two are definitely the easiest. As far as making it easier just work on your spacing in trainging mode and gradually get used to the distance. The re fake though is the hard part. x_x
Metatitan
Smash Master
mabey try setting it up with a jab at low % or even a week d tilt?
bigman40
Smash Master
Yeah, those are the easiest, but the reason why I'm asking someone to look for a better way to actually be able to pull this move off more than just by mere luck (and a hell of it at that) is cause if we were able to get this fake down, then we will have an easy kill EVERY time we connect it (Fsmash is quick enough to land before opponent regains control). To me, that's VERY important in making the killing problem much easier for Yoshi, and we'll be able to do ALOT of things with it.
Silent Beast
Smash Journeyman
Oh wow. I didn't realize Yoshi could move sooner than the opponent. I always assumed both recovered at the same time (like on a grounded grab break), so whenever it happened, I always jabbed immediately, in the hopes that I would hit them before they hit me. It's good to know I have that much time.
Bwett
Smash Ace
So...I've been working out the kinks...shield grabbing is legit lol. Right now, from my practice with a G&W and marth, you can shield grab G&W's turtle as well as marth's dancing blade (fairly positive yall already knew about this one).
Btw, sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong section, but it seems like most of yall read this one so it should be fine =P
Btw, sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong section, but it seems like most of yall read this one so it should be fine =P
No biggie, sounds goodWow, my bad. I will PM you in like...two days?
Silent Beast
Smash Journeyman
Dancing blade's kinda tricky. If they go the full 4 hits, then yeah, easy shield grab. It's more complicated before the 4th hit, though. It's hard to tell if Marth stops after say, 2 hits, since he can delay the remaining hits. If you try to grab even a little late, he can hit you with the next part of the combo before you can grab him. If you're expecting a delayed 3rd hit, and he doesn't do it, then you're stuck in your diminishing shield, with Marth standing right next to you and ready to punish anything you do.
While we're on the subject of shield grabbing, you can also shield grab Zelda's neutral-B, her upsmash, and her downsmash (if you're in her face; if you're too far from her, it'll push you too far away, like her fsmash). Really, I've found shielding in general is much better against Zelda than against most characters for Yoshi, since she has a bunch of multi-hit attacks.
There was a thread a while back that was trying to list all of the moves that Yoshi could shield grab. Too bad it died without much input. Maybe it should be revived? Or all of the shield grab stuff can go into whatever the new grab thread is going to be.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=206654
You have to space it, learn the distance needed. I don't think they're is an easier way to properly fake it. But it would greatly effect the killing %. It could allow Yoshi to kill almost 30% sooner. ;]
bigman40
Smash Master
Heh, not gonna be as hard now that I've found a method to getting the spacing a tad easier. >:]
Yes, I tried it and it worked a lot easier.
But we need to do this to every characters now and measure the pull back ranges. And make a chart for best follow ups and all that ****.
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Deleted member
Guest
Dude i told you about both of these like 5 monthes ago
Tru fax, shield grabbing the turtle rules.
Not to be overused tho.
Bwett
Smash Ace
Quiet you...lol I only remember Marth's DB...leave me alone!
brinboy789
Smash Champion
hello yoshi boards, i am brinboy. i will be posting here more often because i play yoshi and wario as secondaries.
yoshis so fun ^.^
yoshis so fun ^.^
Metatitan
Smash Master
i think the yoshi boards should start a weekly moveset discussion like the jiggs boards do. like an example would be one week discussing d tilt's uses and the next week egg lay or something. it really helped out at the jiggs boards cuz now i see a lot more jiggs doing OoS nairs 
Elefterios
Smash Journeyman
I knew about it and even posted it before.
on feb 5th
"I use his shield against mk's tornado and marth's sword dance. What I try to do is shield most of the attack and dodge and downsmash as soon as it's about to end."
Hmm, we'd probably kill it.i think the yoshi boards should start a weekly moveset discussion like the jiggs boards do. like an example would be one week discussing d tilt's uses and the next week egg lay or something. it really helped out at the jiggs boards cuz now i see a lot more jiggs doing OoS nairs
Metatitan
Smash Master
no harm in trying. at least try to show that each of yoshi's moves have some sort of use
Sharky
Smash Master
We actually did have something of the sort, I'll find it tomorrow, going to sleep now.
Pikamander2
Smash Rookie
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I assume that this has been noticed, but Yoshi has the longest end-shield animation. On the plus side, he's the only character that can sidestep during the end shield animation.
Alright, so I finally full adjusted to playing with tap off. I'm doing great with Yoshi right now, really doing well. So I might get the chance to play some really good people, online of course, in a huge online tournament me and a few people made. With a pretty big prize. So but the people that are in it are Ally, Holy, Samboner, Dabuz (who beat Anther), Hot_ArmS.
So yeah, I'm looking forward to this. But I need to know what to do, to step my yoshi up even more. Right now I'm making use of all my Yoshi knowledge and learning match ups. What works and doesn't. I'm applying skills of different Proshis, such as Bwett's Spot dodge OOS. So I need to help with zoning, how did you guys get good at it. I mean I'll throw out an fsmash sometime. Nearly scrape them, and then get punished. My zning is just fractions off.
Also, re-controlling the match. When your behind, and on the defensive. How would you turn things around without having to wait for them to make a mistake?
So yeah, I'm looking forward to this. But I need to know what to do, to step my yoshi up even more. Right now I'm making use of all my Yoshi knowledge and learning match ups. What works and doesn't. I'm applying skills of different Proshis, such as Bwett's Spot dodge OOS. So I need to help with zoning, how did you guys get good at it. I mean I'll throw out an fsmash sometime. Nearly scrape them, and then get punished. My zning is just fractions off.
Also, re-controlling the match. When your behind, and on the defensive. How would you turn things around without having to wait for them to make a mistake?
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Guest
Dont get impatient.
Theres no rush. Just dont get hit, and camp
Dont fsmash to space until u get really good, then you can get away with that.
Theres no rush. Just dont get hit, and camp
Dont fsmash to space until u get really good, then you can get away with that.
Bwett
Smash Ace
First off, work on fast falling your bair so where only 2 of the hits come out. It helps out alot to create small chains of combos, easier to pull off, and they won't fly off if they are at high percentages.
Next, after I learned how to do that, I worked on double pivotting into fsmashes and usmashes. Because of Yoshi's natural tendency to charge into some situations, like running to dash grab, the opponent might get used to this and space it, followed by their own grab. The double pivot will bait the dash grab and keep you out of reach. You can then follow into fsmash. If they know about double pivotting and are planning to run a bit further to punish, then use a single pivotted fsmash, it will slide backwards longer.
Example of a Single pivot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq5ti-O4bAc (Last like 10-15 seconds)
When you are behind in a match, there should be only three main things you should be doing: egg toss, pivot grab, and usmash. Space pivot grabs to force them to approach from the air. The second they jump, you can punish with usmash. As they recollect by getting to a better position, spam eggs. Do not try to follow combos under this situation. This is where you will get punished because there are frames in our combos where they can retaliate. Sounds gay but it works wonders.
Next, after I learned how to do that, I worked on double pivotting into fsmashes and usmashes. Because of Yoshi's natural tendency to charge into some situations, like running to dash grab, the opponent might get used to this and space it, followed by their own grab. The double pivot will bait the dash grab and keep you out of reach. You can then follow into fsmash. If they know about double pivotting and are planning to run a bit further to punish, then use a single pivotted fsmash, it will slide backwards longer.
Example of a Single pivot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq5ti-O4bAc (Last like 10-15 seconds)
When you are behind in a match, there should be only three main things you should be doing: egg toss, pivot grab, and usmash. Space pivot grabs to force them to approach from the air. The second they jump, you can punish with usmash. As they recollect by getting to a better position, spam eggs. Do not try to follow combos under this situation. This is where you will get punished because there are frames in our combos where they can retaliate. Sounds gay but it works wonders.
Alright, thanks. I just played Dabuz. I played horrible, cause my I went into egg roll while doing ECE's around 8 times. I kept slipping my finger. It sucked and cost me matches. Literally the last stock.
Thanks, I'll work on those things Bwett.
Thanks, I'll work on those things Bwett.
VSC.D-Torr
Smash Hero
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
lol, my name is now on the yoshi boards
and yes you should stop that, lol, such close matches too...
YoshiIslander77z
Smash Apprentice
i was never sure of this but do b moves get afflicted with deminishing returns? if they dont is down b and exception?