MzNetta
Oh no she betta don't
Who would even think it would be once per life?
I would assume that only one appears per match.
I would assume that only one appears per match.
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youve got a point. like wario can lose this bike. i wonder if anyone can ride it?- Well, duh. However, it's been speculated before that characters can lose their weapons, for some reason I can't recall. This might be some kinda new gameplay mechanic.
- Common sense/Sakurai is not an utter ******. You'd think the man knows how to properly design a game.
I asked you how you knew that Zamus would be selectable on her own, and your answer is "Sakurai is not a ******"?Fawriel
Common sense/Sakurai is not an utter ******. You'd think the man knows how to properly design a game.
No you don't.Gypsy Lee
I know Sakurai isn't going to make Zamus a strong character.
How do you know she's weaker? And before you say anything, "Sakurai is not a ******" isn't an acceptable answer.Fawriel
Of course, she's weaker in a way.
That would be incredibly stupid.Fawriel
Think of it as Link reverting to Young Link.
that and the fact that if that was the only way sexy suit samus could appear onscreen, her profile wouldve been in this mornings update too. so people need to relax.I knew the trailer wasn't just smoke and mirrors! Wario's bike gave it away. I had really started to think it was something other than her Final Smash, though. Oh well. To be honest, I'm mostly glad that this isn't too disruptive to Samus. Being able to switch back and forth with a button press would have sucked.
And to everyone whining about ZSS being virtually unplayable: Come on, people! In Melee, Sakurai went through the effort to design a code to start a match as Sheik instead of Zelda, and why? To save the player a second and a half of mild inconvenience. Do you honestly thing he's going to ignore this one? Have some faith, people! He's not a moron. I would bet my life on there being an alternate method of playing Zero Suit Samus.
...you have a very strange way of arguing.I asked you how you knew that Zamus would be selectable on her own, and your answer is "Sakurai is not a ******"?
How do you know she's weaker? And before you say anything, "Sakurai is not a ******" isn't an acceptable answer.
That would be incredibly stupid.
sheik in melee is your perfect counterexample- It seems kinda intuitive that a girl in spandex is physically weaker than a girl in a Chozo Power Suit.
like i said, sexy suit samus (and please start calling her that) will have another way of appearing. otherwise if she was only a result of samus' final smash.\, their wouldve been a character profile for SSS as part of todays updateSo how exactly will Zero Suit Samus be played in tournaments if items are not allowed?
VARIA! VARIA SUIT! HER POWER SUIT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT! GET IT RIGHT!Fawriel said:girl in a Chozo Power Suit.
Not true. She only had one energy tank filled until you got to a save and refilled them all.That's not what I meant guys. I was saying:
Why the hell would you make Zamus as good as or better than Samus? In Zero Mission, she was terrible. She had one energy tank,
I lol'd at that, especially the Prime suit bit.Gypsy Lee said:And then you guys are basically saying:
OMG she should be really good like Shiek and transform at will! She has potential! They should take out her bombs and replace it with the transformation, because bombs are worthless! It doesn't make any sense to make Zamus suck, because realism doesn't exist in Smash! Now let's complain about why she doesn't use the Prime suit some more.
i think they meant weaker as in howI asked you how you knew that Zamus would be selectable on her own, and your answer is "Sakurai is not a ******"?
No you don't.
How do you know she's weaker? And before you say anything, "Sakurai is not a ******" isn't an acceptable answer.
That would be incredibly stupid.
i never said would transform at will. i just said therell most likely be another way of getting her onscreen as a starting character. please learn to readThat's not what I meant guys. I was saying:
Why the hell would you make Zamus as good as or better than Samus? In Zero Mission, she was terrible. She had one energy tank, a pistol that only stunned and had to charge in between shots, and had no special abilities what so ever. And she can remove her suit at will, but she can't just shed it in a few seconds. So why do you people want to have the change to happen by a "button combination?" And why would you take out her bombs, they're not worthless? Super Wavedash, Bomb Jumping, Wave Bombing... there are tons of uses for bombs. And the transformation into Samus is supposed to be like a PUNISHMENT for destroying your armor with the final smash because you have to play as a weak character afterwards.
And then you guys are basically saying:
OMG she should be really good like Shiek and transform at will! She has potential! They should take out her bombs and replace it with the transformation, because bombs are worthless! It doesn't make any sense to make Zamus suck, because realism doesn't exist in Smash! Now let's complain about why she doesn't use the Prime suit some more.
Seriously, you people are ******** sometimes >.> I'm not usually an angry person, but this just really pushes my buttons.
Actually, it is considered her power suit. The Varia Suit is just an upgrade for it. So you could call it either one.Think about it. One final Smash per match, and if your matches are small and end fast, theres not much chance of getting a FS. Why go to all the trouble of programming Zamus in if people are hardly going to be able to use her? There's going to be another way, trust.
VARIA! VARIA SUIT! HER POWER SUIT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT! GET IT RIGHT!
http://http://yessite.20fr.com/images/jan3002.jpg POWER
http://images.wikia.com/metroid/images/d/de/Samus.jpg VARIA
GET IT RIIIIIIIIGHT!!!
Sorry, I get so annoyed when people say power when it's NOT!!!
Yeah, well, Sakurai was WRONG. Because he's crap.Fawriel said:@Caael: Sorry I mixed that up, but it's not like I ever played Metroid... and... it kinda says "Power Suit" in the update. *cough*
0_oIf it was the power suit, it would look yellow with small shoulders. It has done in every game ( with colour. Metroid 2 doesn't count)
Yeah, well, Sakurai was WRONG. Because he's crap.
You misunderstand. I mean...it may be something like where Final Smashes can't be turned off or you get one per match half-way through or you become Zamus the whole rest of the match or...any number of other possibilities. My point was that this isn't the whole story. Everyone is saying that Final Smashes are going to be items and banned from tourneys so no one will be able to play as Zamus. I was just discounting that.This is complete speculation. For all we know, that's exactly what he plans to do. Though, what I said is also speculation. I guess we will see in the coming weeks, or once we get Brawl.
Yes, and the Varia Suit is just an addition to the Power suit.If it was the power suit, it would look yellow with small shoulders. It has done in every game ( with colour. Metroid 2 doesn't count)
...it's just a suit. No need to make a big deal out of the name...~pic snip~
You're saying those two are the same? It's the Varia suit, people!
Dont make me kill you!...it's just a suit. No need to make a big deal out of the name...
I'm saying the power suit is the base suit, and that the Varia, Gravity, Phazon, etc. are just additions to it. Her "power suit" is still under her other suits, which are just different colored should pads and shin guard things...You're saying those two are the same? It's the Varia suit, people!
dammit i completely forogt about that. lets hope one of those conditions is holding A at the beginning. i dont care if samus cant transform during regular play without a smash ball. if she can do it in the beginning of that match thats fine with me. thatll give sexy suit samus a chance to be playable at itemless tournament, confirm that she is her own character, and confirm that she cannot put her suit back on all in one update. and then the only arguments we'll have in this thread will only be about a stupid suit's nameSakurai did always say though that Zamus can only be playable under certain conditions.
the only reason it's getting me down is it's giving me more questions than anwers.Sakurai did always say though that Zamus can only be playable under certain conditions.
He never once revealed Zamus as a character, all we had to show that were trailers.
I don't see what the big problem is I reckon Zamus will be a pretty good advantage and the fact that Zamus can only come by a final smash makes Samus herself even more unique.
Sakurai knows what he's doing and i'm pretty sure most of us will adapt. After all it is Smash Bros. And even though this looks like a drawback it will grow on you.
You really shouldn't let it get you down.
Link, please. I'd like to see that.like in Metroid Prime 3 (if you haven't seen any new footage, the beginning shows her asleep in her ship, she wakes up, she presses a few buttons, and she instanly has her suit on)
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748547/vids_1.htmlLink, please. I'd like to see that.
I didn't ask you if you thought it was unlikely. I asked you how you knew Zamus would be selectable on her own. You said "Which would be true if you could not select Zamus on her own, which is not the case." That's very specific. How do you know that?Fawriel
- Creating a whole character with model, moveset, physics, binary moves, voice acting, tweaking..... only to have it appear in the off chance that Samus gets to use her FS? Unlikely.
Yeah, and it seemed intuitive that a princess would be weaker then a legendary pokemon, and we saw how that turned out.Fawriel
- It seems kinda intuitive that a girl in spandex is physically weaker than a girl in a Chozo Power Suit.
That analogy made no sense. They didn't let you switch back and forth between Link and Young Link, so how is that a supportive argument to being able to switch back and forth between Samus and Zamus?Fawriel
- Now you're just trying to pick a fight. That was a simple analogy.
Why make Sheik better then Zelda? Why make Peach better then Mewtwo?Gypsy Lee
Why the hell would you make Zamus as good as or better than Samus?
Your analogies are horrible! Pichu is weaker then Pikachu in both Pokemon and Smash Bros. So what the fug does that prove?Fawriel
You say that Zamus is weaker in the games than Samus, which is true and I see the point. But still. That doesn't mean THAT much. Pichu is weaker than Pikachu, but it can still compete.
i think youll be able to, otherwise sexy suit samus would basically be another Giga bowser except not virtually invincible. but giga bowser didnt get a "newcomer" screen in the trailer so i think SSS has a good shotUgh...I posted my argument in Samus thread, not the ZSamus thread, woops!
Either way, Freeman123 and Fawriel, i hope to god that you can do that for ZSamus, hold A for her, otherwise it's just a waste
he wasnt talking about being able toThat analogy made no sense. They didn't let you switch back and forth between Link and Young Link, so how is that a supportive argument to being able to switch back and forth between Samus and Zamus?
You might as well have said, "Imagine if you could switch back and forth between Pichu and Marth. See, that proves that you'll be able to switch back and forth between Samus and ZSS."
Way to pick out one time I didn't feel like saying "I think that". Weren't you that guy who hated saying "I think" before stating an opinion? Whatever...I didn't ask you if you thought it was unlikely. I asked you how you knew Zamus would be selectable on her own. You said "Which would be true if you could not select Zamus on her own, which is not the case." That's very specific. How do you know that?
They are not related. The point is pretty moot if you don't compare characters that are in some way related. Samus is still Samus. The suit is supposed to give her physical strength, so taking it away would probably make her weaker. Sheik's greatest strength is speed, which is different from the "strength" I'm talking about.Yeah, and it seemed intuitive that a princess would be weaker then a legendary pokemon, and we saw how that turned out.
That was still related to the strength issue. Young Link is an example of a clone who's mostly just weaker, but still has advantages of his own. That's all the analogy stood for. Nothing more, nothing less.That analogy made no sense. They didn't let you switch back and forth between Link and Young Link, so how is that a supportive argument to being able to switch back and forth between Samus and Zamus?
I had miserable sleep and people have been pissing me off by going "ZAMUS IS ONLY AVAILABLE THRU FINAL SMASH DIE SAKURAI" all day. So I guess I'm not allowed to get grumpy at some point.I personally believe what I've said from the beginning. That you'll only be able to switch to Zamus by using your final smash, but that you'll be able to start off as Zamus by holding A. I'm just not going to be like Fawriel and act like I know that for a fact when I don't.