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so do things like footstool infinites...then again i dont think those are discriminated against either...
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Did you read past the first half of the sentence?@koro: so the ics infinites get special treatment?
Tyrant SD'd at 0% on Brinstar and 3% on Norfair against Gnes.Except then you don't get tournaments like MLG dallas where Gnes beat top MK's on Brinstar/Norfair/RC etc. Just because a character is really good on a stage doesn't mean he's broken on it. I beat Tyrant in tournament on rainbow cruise which was his counterpick. This stuff happens often enough and you don't see mk's with perfect records on those stages.
This.wait... did you just say ICs can kill anyone with a grab after 10% even without their infinite?
This X99999999Also there is one other thing to think about. Is it possible to split King D3 in half so he doesn't get an infinite grab? Is there a CPU controlling half of his movements and giving him the ability to use an infinite? There is a reason why the Ice Climbers aren't banned. It is possible to avoid their grabs by separating nana. I don't care how godly your spacing is with Luigi, Bowser, Mario, Samus, or DK. You are going to get grabbed and you are going to die to it.
What I'm saying is that this rule is unclear, because you don't even mention "sudden death". Many people consider Ganon/Bowsercides as "dying at the same time", regardless of whether it goes to sudden death or not.If the match ends with both players dying at the same time (either coincidentally or via suicide move) or if time ran out with both players at equal percent, a one stock three minute rematch will be played on the same stage.
FD isn't even that many characters #1 CP.Sigh...all this time and a lot of characters' number one CP is still in the starter list.
Plus Picto
Where does the rule say that? It doesn't say anything about the game deciding a winner.It's pretty clear to me. If the game decides a winner, then the match was not a draw.
Ok, #1 may be pushing it, but it's still up there. AZ pulled some statistic in the BRC thread let me go get it real quick.FD isn't even that many characters #1 CP.
That's in comparision to what people usually consider a CP stage. FD shouldn't be a starter >_>Alphazealot said:lright, and now to bust out some stats:
At MLG in 2010, from a sampling of over 1,000 sets and over 2,300 games:
Pictochat
Banned: 30 times (~3% of all sets)
Used: 62 times (~2.7% of games)
Final Destination
Banned: 346 (~34% of all sets)
Used: 205 (~8.9% of games)
This is really silly. If the entire character revolves around the infinite, and infinites are boring and degenerate, why do we care about this character? You want to ban infinites, but all of a sudden it's okay if a character depends on them?This is what I am asking. How do the ice climbers kill without grab combos? Do the ice climbers, unlike characters like King D3, have other techniques to kill people? The Ice climber game revolves around getting grabs and doing massive grab combos. It is how they are played vs everyone, and not just vs a few characters. It is impossible to ban this technique for the IC's as the banning itself is ambiguous.
If a ban was proposed: what exact type of Ice Climber chain grab would be banned? What is the fine line in other words between a banned technique and allowing techniques that are quite similar to the infinite that the Ice Climbers use as their main metagame.
Where does the rule say that? It doesn't say anything about the game deciding a winner.
In Ganondorf's case, if it goes to Sudden Death, then you do a tie-breaker, since both players got KOed at the same time.If the Ledge Grab Limit does not declare one player the winner, the winner will be declared by what the game says in all situations, except for when players are presented with sudden death:
If the match ends with both players dying at the same time (either coincidentally or via suicide move) or if time ran out with both players at equal percent, a one stock three minute rematch will be played on the same stage. For a tie-breaker match, a Ledge Grab Limit of 13 is used for Meta Knight, and 18 for all other characters.
Yea, I remember it.Ok, #1 may be pushing it, but it's still up there. AZ pulled some statistic in the BRC thread let me go get it real quick.
Why is pictochat still legal? Seriously.
Can someone give me a legit answer? Chibo, Xyro, Bizkit, BBR?So when do people outside the USA get a chance at joining the BBR-RC?
1. I am not saying that the Ice Climbers depend on the infinite. I am saying that the Ice climbers do not need the infinite in order to win the matchup as they can get basically what people consider a 0 to death without it. People that get grabbed die. It isn't due to the infinite but rather the character.This is really silly. If the entire character revolves around the infinite, and infinites are boring and degenerate, why do we care about this character? You want to ban infinites, but all of a sudden it's okay if a character depends on them?
Other infinites are difficult to enforce as well. Are you going to ban small-step regrabs? How many regrabs are allowed? Are they not going to be allowed at all? What if someone regrabs "accidentally?" How will this be proven to a judge if the tournament doesn't have enough staff, and the Wii isn't hacked for infinite replay? Is Dedede allowed to step forward slightly before regrabbing DK? How will you tell that he did?
What Espy said. It's an extremely clear rule.Chibo that wasn't my question... this is what the rule says:
What I'm saying is that this rule is unclear, because you don't even mention "sudden death". Many people consider Ganon/Bowsercides as "dying at the same time", regardless of whether it goes to sudden death or not.
I'm not even going to bother trying to argue the stupid sudden death rules in this ruleset because no one cares what I have to say. All I'm asking is that you make the rule more clear, because many players will get confused between "sudden death" and "dying at the same time from a suicide move".
Depends who banned it and who was CPing it.Ok, #1 may be pushing it, but it's still up there. AZ pulled some statistic in the BRC thread let me go get it real quick.
That's in comparision to what people usually consider a CP stage. FD shouldn't be a starter >_>
Why is pictochat still legal? Seriously. The stage allows random reward to entire match and has no spot in competitive brawl. How can you guys not see this yet?
You'd have to ask AZ about that. He mentioned on the last DI Episode that there were no plans of spanning out to other countries right now (maybe due to extreme ruleset differences?). But I don't know if that means that the members should be US only.Can someone give me a legit answer? Chibo, Xyro, Bizkit, BBR?
Selfquote from the announcement thread.Typical stagelist sigh here. Y'all know how I feel about the whole deal, no use repeating myself.
On a positive note, I like the LGL thing--if not in actual competitive terms, in political ones. Seems like a nice compromise between "only MK needs a LGL" and "if we have a LGL because of MK, we should ban MK".
EDIT: Reread more closely. The pause rule is EXCELLENT.
Anti-splitting rule is interesting. Controversial issue. People won't like it, but it's worth trying.
No substitutions? As in, substituting players?
Last two rules are also good.
I'd actually be totally fine playing under these rules. But dat stagelist...
It doesn't hit you, therefore it's 100% fairIt depends on how much people would like to emphasize traits FD has that other stages do not. I believe not having any platform significantly alters many components of player vs player on the stage, since it removes a key aspect that is prevalent on every other legal stage in the game.
Multilevel play with platforms is greatly diminished. Facets of vertical spacing utilizing the platform and layout structure of stages are reduced to null at FD. A certain style of character is greatly emphasized on this stage that leaves players with very little choice. Options of strategic positioning are also reduced.
Pictochat is legal, so yes it is, though completely is a stretch in its case.Deciding a match completely based on randomness is not competitively viable.
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Thank you.You'd have to ask AZ about that. He mentioned on the last DI Episode that there were no plans of spanning out to other countries right now (maybe due to extreme ruleset differences?). But I don't know if that means that the members should be US only.
*sigh*Um...what?
Can you please provide informational posts? I'd expect a bit more from a backroom member.
I typed BBR-RC the first time, near the top of my post... then I got lazy and typed BBR afterwards. I know they're different lol.DLA, for goodness sake.
BBR-RC made this set up, not the BBR.
Two different entities, amigo.