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The Winter Solstice: (First 3DS and Wii U Tournament) Congrats AnDEh (3DS), Congrats Zeus (Wii U)

When should this tournament be held and should there be an actual prize given to First Place?

  • December 13th and 14th and yes there should!

    Votes: 36 60.0%
  • December 13th and 14th and no, no thanks!

    Votes: 5 8.3%
  • December 20th and 21st and yes, there should!

    Votes: 19 31.7%
  • December 2oth and 21st and no, no thanks!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    60

ToadsterOven

Smash Journeyman
Joined
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Messages
248
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ToadsterOven
3DS FC
3711-6996-2029
(insert corny Christmas or Holiday themed music)


It may be a bit early, but already there are lots of people out there starting their holiday shopping for friends and loved ones. (My mother in particular likes to get her Christmas shopping done ASAP). In a similar way, I've decided to start the signups for my new tournament a MONTH early. Those who are participating in "Pilgrims and Indians" may recall I posted a thread for it three weeks or so before the actual tournament began! Since it was a 32 man tournament, I wanted to ensure enough time for both the signing up and for people to go ahead and reserve Nov. 15th in their busy schedules.

My next tournament is a rather special one and I want as many hands on deck for this one as possible. The Wii U version of Smash 4 launches in a few days in North America and by the time this tournament will start, I feel that more than enough people to fill a sign up sheet for a big Wii U tournament should have a copy of the game for their Wii U.
Anyway, enough rambling, I said this tournament was a special one didn't I? Rather than host one version of Smash 4, I decided well in advance why not both? Yes, that's correct. BOTH.

Of course, I'm not going to be hosting both versions on the same day. Instead, a tournament for one version will be held on one day, and a tournament for the other version will be held the following day. Of course, hosting such a big event comes with both pros and cons.

Pros:


It's an ambitious idea and gives some smashers a chance to try their hand at winning both (or at least placing high enough)

Larger payouts of Battle Points and (possibly) an actual reward to boot

If successful, its a huge boost to my rep as a TO and it proves hosting a tournament for both versions of the same game is feasible for budding TO's

Cons:

The format is Double Elimination with 32 combatants on both sides. This will be a bit tricky to manage even though both tournaments are separated by a couple of hours.

Super Important Info:

The Winter Solstice will be held on the second weekend in December. The 3DS tournament will be held on Saturday, December 13th at 2PM Central Time and the Wii U tournament will be held at 2PM Central Time on Sunday December 14th.

There will be two signup sheets. The one for the 3DS Version will be in red. The one pertaining to the Wii U version will be in blue. If you would like to participate in both tournaments, that's fine, just let me know when signing up and I will highlight your sign up info in the color purple on both sign up sheets. Just keep in mind that it is YOUR responsibility to be on time for both tournaments! There will be challonge pages for both tournaments and it probably goes without saying by this point, but you are required to sign up both here on SmashBoards and on Challonge for one if not both of the tournaments.

As in my past tournaments, Checking in before the tournament is set to begin is required! Failure to do so will result in your immediate disqualification upon the start of the tournament. Also in my past tournaments, I have sent no less than three PMs the week of the tournament. The first is a general reminder to set aside some time in case you haven't already to participate in said tournament. The second PM will remind you to check in on the tournament's challonge page and will be sent two days before said tournament begins (the max amount of time you are given to check in). The final PM will be sent a few hours before the tournament begins reminding you to be here/check in if you haven't already along with a link to the Twitch stream that TWS is being streamed on.

There will be an actual prize given to first place in both tournaments. Skip down to 8.5 below in Rules and Guidelines!

Rules/Guidelines:

Note: Any rules specific to one version of the game will be color coded accordingly.

1. Forum rules still apply as does good sportsmanship

2. When signing up for either tournament if not both, your signup info should look like this (username)/(challonge username)/(3DS/Wii U NNID)/ (characters you will use.) As stated above, if you sign up for both tournaments, your signup info on both sheets will be highlighted purple


2.5 If using a Mii Fighter, specify its gender and class

3. In the 3DS version, match rules are as follows

6 minutes
2 stocks
NO ITEMS
Customizations allowed (moves only!)
Best 2 out of 3


3.5 In the Wii U version, match rules are as follows

8 minutes
3 stocks
NO ITEMS
NO AMIIBOS
Customizations allowed (moves only!)
Best is 3 out of 5


4. Stagelist (3DS)

Legal:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Yoshi's Island (Brawl)
Omega Versions of Stages (allowed in Semi-Finals and beyond)


Counterpicks:
Arena Ferox
Tortimer's Island
Reset Bomb Forest
Lumiose City Gym


Banned:
Everything else

4.5 StageList (Wii U version)

Legal:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Town City
SmashVille
Lylat Cruise (Brawl)
Duck Hunt
Omega Versions of Stages (Allowed in Semi-Finals and beyond)


Counterpicks:
Pilot Wings
Wuhu Island
Kongo Jungle 64
Orbital Gate Assault
Windy Hill
Garden of Hope
Castle Siege (Brawl)
Halberd (Brawl)
Delfino Plaza (Brawl)
SkyLoft

PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!
Norfair
Port Town Aero Dive
Pokémon Stadium 2
Mario Circuit


Banned:
Everything else

5. Regarding Custom Moves, if you own the 3DS version of Smash 4, you can easily transfer custom characters to the Wii U version. Make sure that if you are participating in the Wii U version, that if you've imported custom gear to disable it before hand (un-equip in other words)
Note: As proven by GameXplain, it is currently impossible to modify your custom characters that have been transported from the 3DS version to the Wii U version. What this means is that you should take off any and all custom equipment your character(s) of choice currently have on them in the 3DS version. Also, since you cannot switch up custom moves on your ported custom fighters, think long and hard about what loadout you want to use if you are transferring a custom character to the Wii U version.

6. There will be a chat room for both tournaments. I will send a link and the password to said chatroom in the third and final PM I will send the day of the tournament that's being held. When you are done with your matchup, you or your opponent shall report the final score in this chatroom so the proper changes can be made to the challonge bracket.

7. If you or your opponent experiences lag that causes you or him to drop out of the current round you two are on, start it over with however many stocks y'all had.

7.5 IF something comes up mid-tournament that will bar you from further participation, that's perfectly acceptable, just know you will have to be disqualified as a result.

8. Regarding Battle Points...Both tournaments will recognize the top 8.


1ST: 120 Battle Points

2ND: 108 Battle Points

3RD: 96 Battle Points

4TH: 84 Battle Points

5TH: 72 Battle Points

6TH: 60 Battle Points

7TH: 48 Battle Points

8TH: 36 Battle Points

8.5: There will also be an actual prize given to winner of one if not both tournaments. The two respective players (or player who wins both tournaments) shall receive 20 dollars worth of funds each(40 if its the same player who wins both tournaments) to spend on Nintendo's E-Shop. The winner of the 3DS tournament will have it sent to his/her 3DS and the winner of the Wii U tournament shall have it sent to his her Wii U!

9. There will be a reserves sign up sheet for those who want to participate in either tournament but cannot because of both sign up sheets being full. If someone isn't here the day of the tournament or leaves mid tournament, you will automatically take their place. First come, First serve this list is!

10. PLEASE let me know in advance if something comes up IRL that will prevent you from participating.

11. As stated above, there may or may not be an actual prize given to first place in both tournaments as well as for second and third place. Vote if you want an actual reward involved in the tournament.

12. If you would like to stream the tournament for either the 3DS or Wii U tournament (provided you have a Twitch account) that would be great! PM me ahead of time however.

UPDATE: @Jerm and @ADAPT Chance have agreed to host The Winter Solstice on their respective Twitch channels! Due to ADAPT Chance being involved with the Capcom Cup on the 13th, ONLY THE WINNER'S BRACKET will be streamed for the 3DS portion of The Winter Solstice.


F.A.Q.

Q: I don't live in Central Time. How will I know what's the proper time to participate based on my time zone?

A: Time Zone maps are your friend! i.e if you live in Pacific Standard Time, you would need to be here at for example 5:00 PM if you participating in the 3DS tournament

Q: What's Double Elimation?

A: Tournaments done DE style have a Loser's Bracket. If you lose any match in the top Bracket, you will be send to Loser's where you have a second chance at winning (or placing high enough to qualify for a BP reward). Get eliminated in Loser's Bracket and that is the end of the road for you!

Q. If someone drops out of one tournament prior to the time it begins, can I take their place on the corresponding sign up sheet?

A: Yes. Just be here for BOTH tournaments

Q: Since there will an actual reward this time handed out to the winner(s) of both tournaments, when can him/her/they expect their Nintendo e-Shop funds?

A: My schedule for everything following the third weekend in December (20th and 21st) is looking pretty packed not to mention I want a few days to just relax following me getting my Wii U for Christmas. Cutting to the chase, the winner(s) of both tournaments for The Winter Solstice can expect to get their e-Shop money in the days after the new year.

Q: May I help with running both tournaments?

A: Sure. Just be willing to work (handling PM reminders for starters)

Challonge Link:

(3DS Tournament)

http://challonge.com/W1NT3RS0L3DS

(Wii U Tournament)

http://challonge.com/W1NT3RS0LWIIU

TWITCH LINKS:

@Jerm

http://www.twitch.tv/distantkingdom

@ADAPT Chance

http://www.twitch.tv/adaptchance


Sign Up Sheet (3DS)

1. Techei/Techei/0430-8277-3978/ :4greninja:,:4mii:+:4miigun:,:4shulk:

2. Lumpy Space12/Lumpy Space12/0318-8811-0455/ :4peach:,:rosalina:,:4pit:,:4jigglypuff:

3. miracleJester/miracleJester/1547-5445-7442/ :4ness:,:4littlemac:

4. cvp1v4r4/cvp1v4r4/4270-1365-3495/ :rosalina:,:4lucina:,:4marth:,:4pikachu:

5. Jaeger/Megonta/5215-1710-6387/ :4zss:,:4falco:,:4falcon:,:4sheik:,:4ganondorf:

6. megamain/rewsay05/3540-1300-6153/ :4marth:,:4robinm:,:4lucina:,:4samus:

7. Complete_Dweeb/complete_dweeb/0130-1805-9235/:4wiifit:,:4ness:, :4luigi:,:4tlink:

8. xffixbmlx/xffixbmlx/2964-8809-3067/ :4mario:, :4falcon:, :4sonic:
9. Thegingerninja14/Thegingerninja14/3351-5193-5291/ :4bowser:,:4myfriends:,:4falcon:,:4robinm:

10. Tythaeus/Tythaeus/4038-7179-8613/ :4lucario:,:4sheik:

11. ziyocon/ziyocon/ 2079-8063-4198:4lemmy:,:4darkpit:,:4kirby:,:4greninja:

12. Niner/NinerT/1907-8569-6844/:4ganondorf:,:4jigglypuff:,:4robinf:,:rosalina:,:4rob:,:4shulk:

13. M1n1r4zor/m1n1r4zor/2621-3098-2397/:4lucina:,:4drmario:,:4fox:,:4robinm:

14. Froggy/TheForbiddenOne/3239-5072-0486/ :substitute:

15. TheAwsomeTime/TheAwsomeTime/3368-1721-8061/ :rosalina:,:4fox:,:4metaknight:

16. MC_Riccy/MC_Riccy/ 3625-7900-1436/ :4drmario:,:4falco:,:4yoshi:,:4olimar:
17. Holychicken/Holychicken/ 0662-5150-9871/:4falcon:

18. Le_Josue/Le_Josue/4914-5503-5771/ :4falcon:,:4mario:,:4kirby:,:4link:,:4tlink:,:4ganondorf:


19. Rudy922/IamRewD/0275-8848-7364/:4sonic:,:4olimar:

20. HoodedAltair/HoodedAltair/HoodedAltair/ :4falcon:
21. Nstinct/Nstinct/3626-0477-8909/ :4shulk:,:4ness:,:rosalina:,:4zss:,:4yoshi:,:4villager:

22. MM720/MM720/0259-0380-4806/ :4luigi:,:4greninja:,:4robinm:

23. ecaflip/ecaflip/4768-8458-2787/ :4metaknight:,:4myfriends:,:4pit:

24. 3870x2/FTS/2852-8211-0162/:4samus:

25. BballLuke13/BballLuke13/5129-1952-0414/ :4yoshi:,:4sonic:,:4link:,:4lucario:

26. OlimarNate/Natendo/2878-9586-9009/ :4littlemac:,:4sheik:,:4mario:

27. Blackix3/Blackix3/4124-6238-1415/ :4shulk:,:4pikachu:,:4lucina:,:4mario:,:4yoshi:,:4link:,:4sheik:

28. JHamron/JHamron/0688-6427-7438/ :4ganondorf:,:4palutena:,:4gaw:,:4mii:+ :4miisword:

29. Rezno/Rezno/3711 - 9111 - 4971/ :4bowser:,:4fox:,:4littlemac:,:4megaman:,:4lucario:,:4myfriends:,:4rob:

30. KyleBrandon/KyleBrandon/4854-7672-9777/ :4sonic:,:4villager:,:4drmario:,:4shulk:

31. AnDEh92/AnDEh92/0189-9322-6264/ :4yoshi:
32. GhettoNinja/GhettoNinja/1822-1380-7288/ :4alph:,:4wiremac:,:4pit:,:4falcon:,:4marth:, :4megaman:

Sign Up Sheet (Wii U)

1. Techei/Techei/Techei/ :4greninja:,:4mii:+:4miigun:,:4shulk:


2. Lumpy Space12/Lumpy Space12/PrinceBubble/ :4peach:,:rosalina:,:4pit:,:4jigglypuff:

3. Jaeger/Megonta/ChangT/:4zss:,:4falco:,:4falcon:,:4sheik:,:4ganondorf:
4. CrimsonGaia/Miruka Kazemura/Pyromaster2981/ :4link:,:4tlink:,:4littlemac:,:4olimar:,:4darkpit:,:4sonic:,:4drmario:
5. ziyocon/ziyocon/Ziyocon:4lemmy:,:4darkpit:,:4kirby:,:4greninja:
6. Complete_Dweeb/complete_dweeb/mitchgamelover/ :4wiifit:,:4ness:,:4luigi:,:4tlink:

7. Slyphoria/Slyphoria/SquidWithGlasses/:4gaw:,:4rob:,:4wario:,:4ganondorf:,:4yoshi:

8. Mahkan/mahkan/mahkan/ :4rob:,:4duckhunt:,:4palutena:

9. Numanumaking13/Numanumaking13/Numanumaking21/ :4megaman:,:4charizard:,:4jigglypuff:

10. DatBoiB/DatBoiB/DatBoiB/ :4kirby:,:4link:

11. Holychicken/Holychicken/Holych1cken/ :4falcon:

12. MJO1450/MJO1450/MJO1450/ :4greninja:,:4bowserjr:

13. Airek/Airek/Eric_Man/ :4megaman:,:4kirby:,:4mario:,:4samus:,:rosalina:,:4rob:,:4mii:+:4miigun:

14. Aegis_/Aegis_/Tmoney670/ :4bowser:,:4mii:+:4miibrawl:

15. PheonixRiku/Tetragon/SweeetPR/ :rosalina:,:4diddy:,:4zss:,:4yoshi:,:4fox:,:4bowser:

16. Brandon Gonzalez/Gonzos22/Gonzos22/ :4littlemac:,:4shulk:,:4marth:

17. MM720/MM720/MarioMaster720/ :4luigi:,:4greninja:,:4robinm:

18. HamBurgler/HamBurglar/Hamburglar24/ :4yoshi:,:4lucario:,:4ness:,:4diddy:,:4sonic:

19. thar3871/that3871/PoptartHotTharp/ :4yoshi:,:4marth:,:4zelda:

20. OlimarNate/Natendo/SuperNatendo/ :4littlemac:,:4sheik:,:4mario:

21. TTYK/ash1250/GreninjaMaster50/ :4greninja:,:4bowserjr:

22. Niner/NinerT/SirNiner/:4ganondorf:,:4jigglypuff:,:4robinf:,:rosalina:,:4rob:,:4shulk:

23. KyleBrandon/KyleBrandon/CoreyKyleBrandon/ :4sonic:,:4villager:,:4drmario:,:4shulk:

24. Oye_Joaquin/Oye_Joaquin/JuanMannyAcosta/ :4falcon:,:4fox:,:4pacman:,:4shulk:,:4littlemac:,:4drmario:,:4falco:

25. xffixbmlx/xffixbmlx/xffixbmlx/ :4mario:,:4falcon:,:4sonic:

26. Snerp/Snerp/Amir_A/ :4ness:,:4shulk:,:4megaman:

27. PrincessLucina/Pichu441/Pichu511/ :4jigglypuff:,:4link:,:4lucina:, :4zelda:,:4zss:,:4marth:

28. Ell/Elliston/Ellistun/ :4jigglypuff:,:4robinm:

29. Bro AJ/Brother_AJ/Brother_AJ/ :4greninja:,:4littlemac:,:4link:,:4pacman:,:4shulk:

30. sillyzippy/Zippy/ awsyvmaws2/:4gaw:, :4mii:+:4miibrawl:,:4pacman:,:4duckhunt:, :4pikachu:

31. Mazdamaxsti/Mazdamaxsti/Mazdamaxsti/ :4kirby:,:4pacman:,:4robinm:,:4sheik:

32. marauders42/marauders42/marauders42/ :4sheik:, :4link:,:4greninja:


Reserves Sign Up Sheet:

1.

2.

3. (3DS)

4. [Sweet] / PennStateSweet / PennStateSweet / :4dedede: (Wii U)

5.

6.

7. M.C.Jeducation/M.C.Jeducation/M.C.Jeducation/ :4ganondorf:,:4bowser:,:4gaw: (3DS)

8.

9.

10.

11.

12.

13.

14.

15.

16.
 
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Techei

Smash Rookie
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Messages
13
NNID
Techei
3DS FC
0430-8277-3978
Really no friend codes on the Wii U version, its all Nintendo ID's on there.


Username: Techei
Challonge: Techei
3DS FC: 0430-8277-3978
Wii U NNID: Techei
Characters: :4greninja:, :4mii: + :4miigun:, :4darkpit:
 

ToadsterOven

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Sep 11, 2014
Messages
248
NNID
ToadsterOven
3DS FC
3711-6996-2029
Really no friend codes on the Wii U version, its all Nintendo ID's on there.


Username: Techei
Challonge: Techei
3DS FC: 0430-8277-3978
Wii U NNID: Techei
Characters: :4greninja:, :4mii: + :4miigun:, :4darkpit:
Thanks for the heads up Techei!

After taking a look at the results so far in the poll for this thread, I have decided that The Winter Solstice will be held on December 13th and 14th and that there will be an actual prize! ;)
 

miracleJester

Smash Cadet
Joined
Oct 2, 2014
Messages
29
Location
Venezuela
3DS FC
1547-5445-7442
Username: miracleJester
Challonge: miracleJester
3DS FC: 1547-5445-7442
NNID: miracleJester
Characters: :4ness: and :4littlemac:
 

c4p1v4r4

Smash Cadet
Joined
Oct 12, 2014
Messages
42
3DS FC
4270-1365-3495
Singing up only for the 3DS version

Username: c4p1v4r4
Challonge: c4p1v4r4
3DS FC: on my profile
Characters: :rosalina:+:4lucina:+:4marth:+:4pikachu:
 

megamain

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Sep 30, 2014
Messages
94
3DS FC
3540-1300-6153
I'm signing up for the 3DS tourney. My Challonge is rewsay05. My IGN is Rewsay and my FC is 3540-1300-6153. The characters I plan on using are Marth, Robin, Lucina and Samus.
 

Accidental

Smash Rookie
Joined
Sep 30, 2014
Messages
20
3DS FC
4957-2604-8969
Username: Accidental
Challonge: Accidental
3DS FC: 4957-2604-8969

Characters: :4greninja:,:4ness:,:4metaknight:,:4jigglypuff:
 
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CrimsonGaiaofficial

Smash Rookie
Joined
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Messages
17
Location
British Columbia
NNID
Pyromaster2981
Username: CrimsonGaia
Challonge: Miruka Kazemura
NNID: Pyromaster2981
Characters: Link, Toon Link, Little Mac, Pikmin & Olimar, Dark Pit, Sonic, Dr. Mario

I'll most likely be able to participate, but who knows if something will come up, I notify you if something does.
 
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ziyocon

Smash Rookie
Joined
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Messages
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Location
texas
NNID
ziyo
3DS FC
2079-8063-4198
Username: ziyocon
Challonge: ziyocon
3ds FC: 2079-8063-4198
NNID: Ziyocon
Characters::4lemmy:+:4darkpit:+:4kirby:+:4greninja:
 

Niner

Smash Cadet
Joined
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Messages
40
Location
Hype Train
Gonna try for both.
Username: Niner
Challonge username: NinerT
3DS FC: 1907-8569-6844
Wii U NNID: *don't have one just yet, will update when i do*
Characters: :4ganondorf::4jigglypuff::4robinf::rosalina::4rob:
 

CoolPalMitch

Smash Cadet
Joined
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Messages
72
Location
Fort Wayne, IN
NNID
mitchgamelover
Actually, sign me up for the Wii U version as well

NNID: mitchgamelover

same characters

(also you put Jigglypuff in place of Ness up in the original post by accident, just thought I'd let ya know)
 
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Slyphoria

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Messages
120
Location
Washington
NNID
SquidWithGlasses
3DS FC
4184-1884-8690
I'll join the Wii U version. I'm honestly getting sick of the tiny 3DS stage list.

Username: Slyphoria
Challonge: Slyphoria
NNID: SquidWithGlasses

Characters: :4gaw::4rob::4wario::4ganondorf::4yoshi:

Side note: There's so many more counterpick stages, and at least 2 more starters in the Wii U version.

  • Lylat Cruise is the exact same it was in Brawl. Starter for sure.
  • Duck Hunt has no hazards at all. 4 or 5 platforms in the left tree, a platform in the bush on the right, and when you hit a duck the dog is a platform while he's on screen. It's also not a walkoff. This should be a starter.
Then, the most likely counterpicks:
  • Wuhu Island is a traveling stage just like Delfino and Skyloft.
  • Mario Circuit is also a traveling stage like those 3.
  • Kongo Jungle 64: The middle platforms move up much higher so air stalling is hardly a problem any more.
  • Orbital Gate Assault seems like a hazard-filled stage, but it's actually not. You can follow the stage entirely by standing still. The only real hazards are 10% on the wall where the missile's hitting and some missiles when the Arwings are going back to the Great Fox. Even when the big missiles explode, they do NO damage, just a set knockback that's incredibly easy to avoid. It's a deceptively simple stage.
  • Windy Hill is a tiny bit big, but it's perfectly fine. The windmill is mostly off-screen, so it's incredibly hard to camp there.
  • Castle Siege was a counterpick in Brawl. It's fine.
  • Norfair looks like it has a ton of hazards, but it's possible to easily spot dodge or air dodge the lava wave.
  • The ONLY hazard on Garden of Hope is that crab. It's telegraphed by bubbles about 5-10 seconds before it comes out, always comes the same way, and it only does 10% or so with almost no knockback.
Stages that need to be tested:
  • Port Town Aero Dive might have its problems fixed.
  • Pokemon Stadium 2 isn't a carbon copy. There has been changes for the better from Brawl.
We need more stages rather than some tiny butchered list. The stage list will never expand if you start it so small. The Wii U stage list is FANTASTIC, so let's take advantage of it!

I feel like you might need to watch some gameplay of the stages. There's plenty on Youtube.
 
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ToadsterOven

Smash Journeyman
Joined
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Messages
248
NNID
ToadsterOven
3DS FC
3711-6996-2029
I'll join the Wii U version. I'm honestly getting sick of the tiny 3DS stage list.

Username: Slyphoria
Challonge: Slyphoria
NNID: SquidWithGlasses

Characters: :4gaw::4rob::4wario::4ganondorf::4yoshi:

Side note: There's so many more counterpick stages, and at least 2 more starters in the Wii U version.

  • Lylat Cruise is the exact same it was in Brawl. Starter for sure.
  • Duck Hunt has no hazards at all. 4 or 5 platforms in the left tree, a platform in the bush on the right, and when you hit a duck the dog is a platform while he's on screen. It's also not a walkoff. This should be a starter.
Then, the most likely counterpicks:
  • Wuhu Island is a traveling stage just like Delfino and Skyloft.
  • Mario Circuit is also a traveling stage like those 3.
  • Kongo Jungle 64: The middle platforms move up much higher so air stalling is hardly a problem any more.
  • Orbital Gate Assault seems like a hazard-filled stage, but it's actually not. You can follow the stage entirely by standing still. The only real hazards are 10% on the wall where the missile's hitting and some missiles when the Arwings are going back to the Great Fox. Even when the big missiles explode, they do NO damage, just a set knockback that's incredibly easy to avoid. It's a deceptively simple stage.
  • Windy Hill is a tiny bit big, but it's perfectly fine. The windmill is mostly off-screen, so it's incredibly hard to camp there.
  • Castle Siege was a counterpick in Brawl. It's fine.
  • Norfair looks like it has a ton of hazards, but it's possible to easily spot dodge or air dodge the lava wave.
  • The ONLY hazard on Garden of Hope is that crab. It's telegraphed by bubbles about 5-10 seconds before it comes out, always comes the same way, and it only does 10% or so with almost no knockback.
Stages that need to be tested:
  • Port Town Aero Dive might have its problems fixed.
  • Pokemon Stadium 2 isn't a carbon copy. There has been changes for the better from Brawl.
We need more stages rather than some tiny butchered list. The stage list will never expand if you start it so small. The Wii U stage list is FANTASTIC, so let's take advantage of it!

I feel like you might need to watch some gameplay of the stages. There's plenty on Youtube.
Thanks for that analysis of yours man :) I was mostly going off of what was previously accepted as legal or counterpick (past stages) and using my best guess when decided on the new stages what should be legal and what should be counterpick. I've heard that Mario Circuit (the new one) isn't looking too hot as a viable stage for competition, but I will give it the benefit of the doubt this one time. It will be listed as a "play at your own risk" stage in the OP along with Port Town Aero Dive and Pokémon Stadium 2!
 
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Slyphoria

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Thanks for that analysis of yours man :) I was mostly going off of what was previously accepted as legal or counterpick (past stages) and using my best guess when decided on the new stages what should be legal and what should be counterpick. I've heard that Mario Circuit (the new one) isn't looking too hot as a viable stage for competition, but I will give it the benefit of the doubt this one time. It will be listed as a "play at your risk" stage in the OP along with Port Town Aero Dive and Pokémon Stadium 2!
Thanks!

Don't forget, we can also test those counterpicks when it comes out to see if there's anything that hasn't been in the videos on the stages. The only ones that are really questionable are Port Town and Pokemon Stadium 2. From the limited footage of Pokemon Stadium 2, it seems much better, but we haven't seen all of the transformations. Hopefully they're actually good!

Heck, who knows, maybe there's some way to make legendaries not spawn on Kalos Pokemon League. Then that would be fine too.
 
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ToadsterOven

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Just wondering what chat service you use for your tournaments?
http://www.chatzy.com/

Word to the wise, if you ever host a tournament using this chat service, tell everyone to register for an account on there if they don't already have one. I found that out the hard way when most of the peeps in the chatroom I had hosted for "Pilgrims and Indians" were guests instead of actual Chatzy members (myself included) and some people couldn't enter the chatroom (guest wise) since there is a limit on at least guests that enter the chatroom.
 

m1n1r4z0r (goku)

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NNID: goku
Characters :4lucina: :4drmario: :4fox: :4robinm:

3ds Tourney only
 
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AttackstorM

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(insert corny Christmas or Holiday themed music)


It may be a bit early, but already there are lots of people out there starting their holiday shopping for friends and loved ones. (My mother in particular likes to get her Christmas shopping done ASAP). In a similar way, I've decided to start the signups for my new tournament a MONTH early. Those who are participating in "Pilgrims and Indians" may recall I posted a thread for it three weeks or so before the actual tournament began! Since it was a 32 man tournament, I wanted to ensure enough time for both the signing up and for people to go ahead and reserve Nov. 15th in their busy schedules.

My next tournament is a rather special one and I want as many hands on deck for this one as possible. The Wii U version of Smash 4 launches in a few days in North America and by the time this tournament will start, I feel that more than enough people to fill a sign up sheet for a big Wii U tournament should have a copy of the game for their Wii U.
Anyway, enough rambling, I said this tournament was a special one didn't I? Rather than host one version of Smash 4, I decided well in advance why not both? Yes, that's correct. BOTH.

Of course, I'm not going to be hosting both versions on the same day. Instead, a tournament for one version will be held on one day, and a tournament for the other version will be held the following day. Of course, hosting such a big event comes with both pros and cons.

Pros:


It's an ambitious idea and gives some smashers a chance to try their hand at winning both (or at least placing high enough)

Larger payouts of Battle Points and (possibly) an actual reward to boot

If successful, its a huge boost to my rep as a TO and it proves hosting a tournament for both versions of the same game is feasible for budding TO's

Cons:

The format is Double Elimination with 32 combatants on both sides. This will be a bit tricky to manage even though both tournaments are separated by a couple of hours.

Super Important Info:

The Winter Solstice will be held on the second weekend in December. The 3DS tournament will be held on Saturday, December 13th at 7PM Central Time and the Wii U tournament will be held at 6PM Central Time on Sunday December 14th.

There will be two signup sheets. The one for the 3DS Version will be in red. The one pertaining to the Wii U version will be in blue. If you would like to participate in both tournaments, that's fine, just let me know when signing up and I will highlight your sign up info in the color purple on both sign up sheets. Just keep in mind that it is YOUR responsibility to be on time for both tournaments! There will be challonge pages for both tournaments and it probably goes without saying by this point, but you are required to sign up both here on SmashBoards and on Challonge for one if not both of the tournaments.

As in my past tournaments, Checking in before the tournament is set to begin is required! Failure to do so will result in your immediate disqualification upon the start of the tournament. Also in my past tournaments, I have sent no less than three PMs the week of the tournament. The first is a general reminder to set aside some time in case you haven't already to participate in said tournament. The second PM will remind you to check in on the tournament's challonge page and will be sent two days before said tournament begins (the max amount of time you are given to check in). The final PM will be sent a few hours before the tournament begins reminding you to be here/check in if you haven't already along with a link to the chatroom and the password for said chatroom.

There will be an actual prize given to first place in both tournaments. Skip down to 8.5 below in Rules and Guidelines!

Rules/Guidelines:

Note: Any rules specific to one version of the game will be color coded accordingly.

1. Forum rules still apply as does good sportsmanship

2. When signing up for either tournament if not both, your signup info should look like this (username)/(challonge username)/(3DS/Wii U NNID)/ (characters you will use.) As stated above, if you sign up for both tournaments, your signup info on both sheets will be highlighted purple


2.5 If using a Mii Fighter, specify its gender and class

3. In the 3DS version, match rules are as follows

6 minutes
2 stocks
NO ITEMS
Customizations allowed (moves only!)
Best 2 out of 3


3.5 In the Wii U version, match rules are as follows

8 minutes
3 stocks
NO ITEMS
NO AMIIBOS
Customizations allowed (moves only!)
Best is 3 out of 5


4. Stagelist (3DS)

Legal:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Yoshi's Island (Brawl)
Omega Versions of Stages (allowed in Semi-Finals and beyond)


Counterpicks:
Arena Ferox
Tortimer's Island
Reset Bomb Forest
Lumiose City Gym


Banned:
Everything else

4.5 StageList (Wii U version)

Legal:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Town City
SmashVille
Lylat Cruise (Brawl)
Duck Hunt
Omega Versions of Stages (Allowed in Semi-Finals and beyond)


Counterpicks:
Pilot Wings
Wuhu Island
Kongo Jungle 64
Orbital Gate Assault
Windy Hill
Garden of Hope
Castle Siege (Brawl)
Halberd (Brawl)
Delfino Plaza (Brawl)
SkyLoft

PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!
Norfair
Port Town Aero Dive
Pokémon Stadium 2
Mario Circuit


Banned:
Everything else

5. Regarding Custom Moves, if you own the 3DS version of Smash 4, you can easily transfer custom characters to the Wii U version. Make sure that if you are participating in the Wii U version, that if you've imported custom gear to disable it before hand (un-equip in other words)
Note: As proven by GameXplain, it is currently impossible to modify your custom characters that have been transported from the 3DS version to the Wii U version. What this means is that you should take off any and all custom equipment your character(s) of choice currently have on them in the 3DS version. Also, since you cannot switch up custom moves on your ported custom fighters, think long and hard about what loadout you want to use if you are transferring a custom character to the Wii U version.

6. There will be a chat room for both tournaments. I will send a link and the password to said chatroom in the third and final PM I will send the day of the tournament that's being held. When you are done with your matchup, you or your opponent shall report the final score in this chatroom so the proper changes can be made to the challonge bracket.

7. If you or your opponent experiences lag that causes you or him to drop out of the current round you two are on, start it over with however many stocks y'all had.

7.5 IF something comes up mid-tournament that will bar you from further participation, that's perfectly acceptable, just know you will have to be disqualified as a result.

8. Regarding Battle Points...Both tournaments will recognize the top 8.


1ST: 120 Battle Points

2ND: 108 Battle Points

3RD: 96 Battle Points

4TH: 84 Battle Points

5TH: 72 Battle Points

6TH: 60 Battle Points

7TH: 48 Battle Points

8TH: 36 Battle Points

8.5: There will also be an actual prize given to winner of one if not both tournaments. The two respective players (or player who wins both tournaments) shall receive 20 dollars worth of funds each(40 if its the same player who wins both tournaments) to spend on Nintendo's E-Shop. The winner of the 3DS tournament will have it sent to his/her 3DS and the winner of the Wii U tournament shall have it sent to his her Wii U!

9. There will be a reserves sign up sheet for those who want to participate in either tournament but cannot because of both sign up sheets being full. If someone isn't here the day of the tournament or leaves mid tournament, you will automatically take their place. First come, First serve this list is!

10. PLEASE let me know in advance if something comes up IRL that will prevent you from participating.

11. As stated above, there may or may not be an actual prize given to first place in both tournaments as well as for second and third place. Vote if you want an actual reward involved in the tournament.

12. If you would like to stream the tournament for either the 3DS or Wii U tournament (provided you have a Twitch account) that would be great! PM me ahead of time however.


F.A.Q.

Q: I don't live in Central Time. How will I know what's the proper time to participate based on my time zone?

A: Time Zone maps are your friend! i.e if you live in Pacific Standard Time, you would need to be here at for example 5:00 PM if you participating in the 3DS tournament

Q: What's Double Elimation?

A: Tournaments done DE style have a Loser's Bracket. If you lose any match in the top Bracket, you will be send to Loser's where you have a second chance at winning (or placing high enough to qualify for a BP reward). Get eliminated in Loser's Bracket and that is the end of the road for you!

Q. If someone drops out of one tournament prior to the time it begins, can I take their place on the corresponding sign up sheet?

A: Yes. Just be here for BOTH tournaments

Q: Since there will an actual reward this time handed out to the winner(s) of both tournaments, when can him/her/they expect their Nintendo e-Shop funds?

A: My schedule for everything following the third weekend in December (20th and 21st) is looking pretty packed not to mention I want a few days to just relax following me getting my Wii U for Christmas. Cutting to the chase, the winner(s) of both tournaments for The Winter Solstice can expect to get their e-Shop money in the days after the new year.

Q: May I help with running both tournaments?

A: Sure. Just be willing to work (handling PM reminders for starters)

Challonge Link:

(3DS Tournament)

http://challonge.com/W1NT3RS0L3DS

(Wii U Tournament)

http://challonge.com/W1NT3RS0LWIIU


Sign Up Sheet (3DS)

1. Techei/Techei/0430-8277-3978/ :4greninja:,:4mii:+:4miigun:,:4darkpit:

2. Lumpy Space12/Lumpy Space12/0318-8811-0455/ :4peach:,:rosalina:,:4pit:,:4jigglypuff:

3. miracleJester/miracleJester/1547-5445-7442/ :4ness:,:4littlemac:

4. cvp1v4r4/cvp1v4r4/4270-1365-3495/ :rosalina:,:4lucina:,:4marth:,:4pikachu:

5. Jaeger/Megonta/5215-1710-6387/

6. megamain/rewsay05/3540-1300-6153/ :4marth:,:4robinm:,:4lucina:,:4samus:

7. Complete_Dweeb/complete_dweeb/0130-1805-9235/:4wiifit:,:4jigglypuff:

8. Accidental/Accidental/4957-2604-8969/:4greninja:,:4ness:,:4metaknight:,:4jigglypuff:

9. Thegingerninja14/Thegingerninja14/3351-5193-5291/ :4bowser:,:4myfriends:,:4falcon:,:4robinm:


10. Tythaeus/Tythaeus/4038-7179-8613/ :4lucario:,:4sheik:

11. ziyocon/ziyocon/ 2079-8063-4198:4lemmy:,:4darkpit:,:4kirby:,:4greninja:

12. Niner/NinerT/1907-8569-6844/:4ganondorf:,:4jigglypuff:,:4robinf:,:rosalina:,:4rob:

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Sign Up Sheet (Wii U)

1. Techei/Techei/Techei/ :4greninja:,:4mii:+:4miigun:,:4darkpit:


2. Lumpy Space12/Lumpy Space12/PrinceBubble/ :4peach:,:rosalina:,:4pit:,:4jigglypuff:

3. Jaeger/Megonta/
4. CrimsonGaia/Miruka Kazemura/Pyromaster2981/ :4link:,:4tlink:,:4littlemac:,:4olimar:,:4darkpit:,:4sonic:,:4drmario:
5. ziyocon/ziyocon/Ziyocon:4lemmy:,:4darkpit:,:4kirby:,:4greninja:
6. Complete_Dweeb/complete_dweeb/mitchgamelover/ :4wiifit:,:4jigglypuff:

7. Slyphoria/Slyphoria/SquidWithGlasses/:4gaw:,:4rob:,:4wario:,:4ganondorf:,:4yoshi:

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Reserves Sign Up Sheet:

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would you consider holding the 3ds one on sunday instead?
 

numanumaking13

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NNID: Numanumaking21
Characters::4megaman:,:4charizard:, and :4jigglypuff:

I can only participate in the Wii U version so I won't be able to show up for the 3ds one.
 
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ToadsterOven

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@ m1n1r4z0r (goku) m1n1r4z0r (goku) I'm confused. Do you want to do the 3DS tournament only or do you want to do that AND the Wii U tournament? :confused:
 
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megamain

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When I tried to sign up for the chat service, the page wouldn't let me. Is there any other service that you guys are planing on using? If not, I guess that I'll have to message people on here instead.
 

Nicklecat

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Want to be part of the 3ds tournament

Username: Nicklecat
Challonge: Nicklecat
NNID: Nicklecat17

Characters: Greninja, R.O.B, Shulk, and Lucario
 

CoolPalMitch

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Messages
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I shouldn't really be bothered by something like this, but I said earlier that you listed Jigglypuff as one of my characters instead of Ness. Could you please fix that?
 

TheAwsomeTime

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3ds tournament

Username: TheAwsomeTime
Challonge: TheAwsomeTime
3ds FC: 3368-1721-8061

Characters: Rosalina, Fox, Meta Knight
 

megamain

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I changed my 3DS' and my name on the bracket from Rewsay to BlkPaladin.
 

Holychicken

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Username: Holychicken
Challonge: Holychicken
3DS FC: 0662-5150-9871
Wii U NNID: Holych1cken
Characters::4falcon:
 

MJO1450

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Wii U NNID: MJO1450
Characters: :4greninja::4bowserjr:
 
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Airek

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Only the Wii U one for me.

Username: Airek
Challonge: Airek
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Characters::4megaman::4kirby::4mario::4samus::rosalina::4rob::4mii:+:4miigun:
 
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Le_Josue

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Participating in the 3DS tourney

Username : Le_Josue
Challonge: Le_Josue
3DS FC: 4914-5503-5771

Characters: Captain Falcon:4falcon:, Mario:4mario:, Kirby:4kirby:, Link:4link:, Toon Link:4tlink:, Ganondorf:4ganondorf:
 
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Aegis_

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Username: Aegis_
Challonge: Aegis_
NNID: Tmoney670
Characters: Bowser, Mii Fighter :4bowser::4mii:
 

PhoenixRiku

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Wii U only
 
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