Tier List Speculation

[Warhawk]

Game and Watch looks like he'd be really obnoxious for some characters. Hard to get in and hard to stay in on him it seemed like for the less quick characters like Snake, although Snake has trouble getting in anyways a lot of times.

 

[jtm94]

GnW is SUPER combo bait, when people go in to combo him he just hopes for that UpB to bail him out, and DI.

Nintendude was definitely doing his share of going in. It was super fun to watch.

 

[Fish&Herbs19]

That frame 1 up B puts in a lot of work though. Gets out of shield pressure and out of combos

 

[mYzeALot]

Haha, Snake is definitely a character that is good where he is. He isn't dominating everything, but has all the tools he needs.

 

[Drodeka]

I never played a good diddy though. Just bad ones. There probably aren't any truely good diddies yet.

IDK, Bladewise does work with Diddy here in Washington, taking high places at every tournament he attends. Every match I see him in, especially against SilentWolf, he does at least a couple things you know the enemy wasn't going to expect right away. I like that playstyle. It seems no matter how many things they are prepared for, him on Diddy is able to find ways around it.

 

[jtm94]

I hear shine is frame 1 too... but I could be wrong, that seems a little too good.

 

[Soft Serve]

But guys
Gnw is Bottom 3 with Ness and Olimar, right?

 

[Saproling]

Ivysaur sweetspot D-Air is definitely a meteor.

My mistake then.

Something I think you should mention is that Sonic's/Ganon's is only at the beginning (as you say things like "tip" "sweetspot" for others.)

Also I believe the falling hitbox on Ivy's uair is a true spike.

See I thought that the dair was a spike and the body slam from uair was a meteor but I was mistaken.

 

[mYzeALot]

Ness cannot be bottom 3. I still find It hilarious that I play toon link and olimar, and they were put as the two worst characters in the game on Clash tournament's tier list.

 

[B.W.]

But guys
Gnw is Bottom 3 with Ness and Olimar, right?

Olimar and T.Link actually.

 

[Vashimus]

Olimar and T.Link actually.

B.W. your characters aren't bad, stop trippin

 

[B.W.]

Vash plz let CT tier list be real so I can play bottom tier and win just a little longer.

 

[TreK]

Ivysaur does have a spike, on the first few frames of her uair iirc.
I don't think I've ever landed it though.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah toonlink sucks

 

[jtm94]

More and more I think Olimar isn't nearly the worst in the game, nor Toon Link.

 

[Saproling]

Ivysaur does have a spike, on the first few frames of her uair iirc.
I don't think I've ever landed it though.

I have gotten people killed with both dair and uair they drop like rocks but Its become apparent I don't know exactly what they are.

 

[Giygacoal]

That means GnW will be nerfed next patch.
Same for Snake (He seriously needs some adjustments).

What's wrong with Snake? He's tricky, but his mobility for things other than combos isn't really good.

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

ROB, ganon, and zard are the worst characters in the game the rest are just underutilized and unexplored

 

[Oracle]

yup yup rob is bad yup give me buffs yup definitely

 

[Bryonato]

Ness is bad too can i have some buffs

 

[Ripple]

guys, the really terrible chracter here is DDD. and he needs more buffs than Ness/rob/olimar combined

 

[9bit]

True then, true now :D

 

[jtm94]

DDD is pretty good imo, he is one of the only characters who can challenge EVERY recovery.

 

[JOE!]

ROB, ganon, and zard are the worst characters in the game the rest are just underutilized and unexplored

>Charizard

> one of the worst


wat

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

>Charizard

> one of the worst


wat

yep

 

[JOE!]

Explain how he is one of the straight up worst

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

Explain how he is one of the straight up worst

he's not bad it just seems like he has less tools than others.
He's very capable he just has issues. He lacks legitimate followups most of the time, he's relatively immobile, and can get punished hard for something as simple as a missed aerial. his unique strengths are probably just nair and seismic toss, otherwise he's pretty outmatched in every other department by some other character. A good charizard player can play to charizard's strengths, but there are still glaring weaknesses that the opponent can take advantage of.

 

[JOE!]

The guy has gaint hitboxes, the 5th fastest ground speed of any character in the roster, a large grab range, multiple jumps, a glide and the ability to reach the top of the screen to chase people he juggles...

Sounds pretty immobile to me

 

[didds]

When you take into account dash speed, aerial speed and acceleration, jump height and speed, wavedash and waveland length, agt'ing and gt'ing and whatever else moves you around, the least mobile character in the game would probably be Ganon...

So I propose that we buff Squirtle plz

 

[JOE!]

Is there still a thread floating around with every character's dash speeds, weights, etc compared to one another from best-worst, etc?

 

[mYzeALot]

It was on Smashmods before it got moved here, but it should definitely be revived.

 

[9bit]

True then, true now :D

Seriously the number of likes I've gotten off this image each time I post it is so lol

Anyway, I actually think that DDD is pretty good... currently. But my biggest concern is that he's only doing well right now because he is taking people by surprise. That once opponents understand the matchup / how to deal with DDD, he will drop on the tier list.

Right now I actually put him in the top half of the tier list. But I think he will drop down to the bottom half certainly, and the bottom 3rd maybe. Buffs pls

 

[Vashimus]

Is there still a thread floating around with every character's dash speeds, weights, etc compared to one another from best-worst, etc?

1MachGo's old statistics thread, but it's not even updated to 3.0.

I can give you weights.

Spoiler

 

[JOE!]

http://smashboards.com/threads/p-m-2-5-statisitics-list-yep-its-back.335019/

Found it

This should really be updated...

 

[Fish&Herbs19]

http://www.reddit.com/r/SSBPM/comments/1u57q8/database_project_m_30_database/

This?

 

[Vashimus]

Yeah, that.

We should PM 1MachGo to update the thread for it and sticky it.

 

[Spiffykins]

More and more I think Olimar isn't nearly the worst in the game, nor Toon Link.

I don't know anything about Olimar and I'd be a little surprised if anyone else does to be honest, but Tink's been around long enough that people should know by now he's not ****ing bottom tier. His ability to turn juggles and combos into kills is absolutely ridiculous, grab guarantees combos and/or kills on most chars at most %s, frame 6 nair oos, great projectile game obviously.

The Moon is playing Tink now so let's just wait and see how much longer people keep sleeping on him lol

Oh also, GGs Nintendude your gnw was amazing

 

[Ripple]

that picture has ike's weight wrong

 

[jtm94]

Olimar is definitely a lurking character. He's super solid and has a good keepaway game. His attacks beat out everything.

 

[SixSaw]

Anyway, I actually think that DDD is pretty good... currently. But my biggest concern is that he's only doing well right now because he is taking people by surprise. That once opponents understand the matchup / how to deal with DDD, he will drop on the tier list.

This is how I feel about Wario atm.