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Toon Link Match-up Video and Critique Thread

Pho

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Critique mai Lucario video please?

And don't critique how I failed my bomb jump.
I haven't played in months. I see the TL boards is still improving, which is always good.

You should never go toe-to-toe with Lucario. Ever. Chain grabs at low percents, auras force proper spacing, etc. Force a Lucario to shield, because his out of shield options is either an OoS nair, fair towards you, or a simple spot dodge or roll. Assuming you're out of his grab range, if he goes offensive from OoS, block, and nair accordingly. If he goes defensive, go after him and nair accordingly. Projectile wise, I noticed some JC throws, which is good for punishing chasing, but try to do it consistently. Also remember against Lucario, bomb trades with aura sphere at ANY level of charge. You got hit by quite a few of them, so something to keep in mind. Swordplay wise, I don't think Uairing a Lucario is a good idea, because I'm sure his Dair beats it.

Long story short, force him to shield, and punish his semi bad defensive options.
 

Legendary Pikachu

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Hi guys. Long time no post. I am visiting the amazin' TL boards again--this time popping up a few videos of my lil' brother for critique and for posting the good ones on the OP. Be gentle ^_^. Oh and you guys don't have to critique the few self-destructs you see (cuz those are pretty self-explanatory to us already... lolz... ^_^). We just recently had a LOT of fairly intense matches inbetween college exams and such, so the list is a lil' long but I hope it's entertainment value makes up for it ^_^. They are ordered from earlier to most recent from top to bottom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsJNRkXY4UM - against one of our crewmates who main samus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8GcV7b8kns - wow match against Pikachu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOaDrx7N8pM - Arc lost his groove....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkHQ5xSBD0I - serious fight... until we started screwin around... lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkvSaxW5YbI - QaC mania...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUEycQgxrU - Proof that we think alike... lol.

****INTENSE ones (at least to us ^_^)*****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XwsFgKgW4Q - Get ***** pikachu.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_3LPXZ2Rmo - never saw that coming...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNihpjRAmgg - Interesting footage... boomerang against pikachu is key... lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYehrDvzx54 - Why Arc is just my little brother ^_^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuJT6mFuNJk - Why I sometimes don't like my lil' bro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHanmmKJp28 - The most coveted feat in all of Brawl ^_^ (witness the pinnacle of my reading skills).... It was just unfortunate for arc this time....

Hope you guys enjoyed a little. ^_^
 

Mota

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Legendary Pikachu

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http://www.geocities.com/twinkie_pokyo/ldpk.PNG ****.

Arc's TL is really risky, and sometimes it pays off, and sometimes it doesn't. It's entertaining to watch.

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuJT6mFuNJk - Why I sometimes don't like my lil' bro
WTF!?!?!?!?!? OMG......... That was a reverse 3:10!!! F****** AMAZING! O_O.
Lol... the vid isnt even 3:10 minutes long...^_^

I did' you mean this @ around 2:10? B-air out of shield normally follows this whenever my bro sets it up with z-air going forwards.
 

TheJerm

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Please dont look at mine.. I suck hard vs snake, and I shouldnt even be a top TL anymore. It'll only end up hurting you lol
 
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Please dont look at mine.. I suck hard vs snake, and I shouldnt even be a top TL anymore. It'll only end up hurting you lol
Jerm, your negativity towards yourself is making me feel bad. You aren't a bad player. You're better than most. Stick with it.
 

Sosuke

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All good TLs say they suck, that's just how it goes. =P
 

TLMSheikant

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Jerm sux against snake. Me too. :/ Id rather face a random mk than a random snake any day. And if its a good snake Ill just go DDD lol. I hate snake. Ive been practicing the matchup with out best snake here though, and ive been improving a bit. But I still get nervous upclose of snake and dont react at all. ITs like omg he has ftilt i gotta run and stay there shielding lol. Snakes tilts too good.
 
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Jerm sux against snake. Me too. :/ Id rather face a random mk than a random snake any day. And if its a good snake Ill just go DDD lol. I hate snake. Ive been practicing the matchup with out best snake here though, and ive been improving a bit. But I still get nervous upclose of snake and dont react at all. ITs like omg he has ftilt i gotta run and stay there shielding lol. Snakes tilts too good.
I'd rather have the Snake, since the matchup is at least somewhat entertaining to me. Rated said he wanted to play wifi with me today. At first I was like :D, but then I looked at the clock, and I was like :(
 

Kewkky

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IMO, if TL had a 6-frame grab, he'd be pretty **** near even with Snake. Right now, all you can do is run away, camp, and wait for him to screw up... Which he can do, while you're forced to play to perfection.

Has anyone tried implementing pivot grabs into the MU? Just asking.
 
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Hi....... It's me.. again..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eyP4tf9JYA

I would like some more advice please. I know wifail sucks, but the connection was blue so.. :|
I noticed I fsmash a lot, which is bad.. Idk this MU lolloll
Well for one, that's an Ike stage. Two, that's wifi. Third, that's Ike on Wifi. Everything is against you.

Second, yes, there's a lot of Fsmash going on. I'm not sure if it's accidental or on purpose, but the Fsmash has got to stop. You should play campier against an Ike, since he has no projectiles, and his close range HURTS.
 

Kaffei

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Are you already on the list somewhere?
In the front page? No o.O
Why?

TWiNKatGC said:
Well for one, that's an Ike stage. Two, that's wifi. Third, that's Ike on Wifi. Everything is against you.

Second, yes, there's a lot of Fsmash going on. I'm not sure if it's accidental or on purpose, but the Fsmash has got to stop. You should play campier against an Ike, since he has no projectiles, and his close range HURTS.
God dam his F-Air is so big -.- Do you have any tips on maneuvering around stages like that? I'm not so good with slopes and platforms.. should I just practice more?
 

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So I can add it under the rest of your videos.
Did you change your name or something, or is this the first time you're posting videos here. >_>
 

Sosuke

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So your name is on the first page?
I can't find it.
 
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God dam his F-Air is so big -.- Do you have any tips on maneuvering around stages like that? I'm not so good with slopes and platforms.. should I just practice more?
His fair is really big and strong, but you must avoid it. Air dodge? You could just run. In Pirate Ship, you could use the platforms to your advantage. If you get on the top, you should be able to bomb camp him. Plant C4s. If he hits them, he blows up.
 

Kaffei

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His fair is really big and strong, but you must avoid it. Air dodge? You could just run. In Pirate Ship, you could use the platforms to your advantage. If you get on the top, you should be able to bomb camp him. Plant C4s. If he hits them, he blows up.
Ah, good idea.. Can't believe I never thought of that.
Thanks, really appreciate it Twink.
 

Mota

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Nice matches Twink, good reverse arrows against Luacrio, I'd suggest angling the boomerang instead of just throwing forward against him though.
 

Mr9

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Well, first video I finally get to post up here. Earlier today I convinced a few buddies to split the cost of a capture card and we did it.

This is with one of my buds that I practice with on a regular basis and thought I'd get some feedback.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgEkD6bIGW4
it seems like you spam the back air thats kinda lame, haha ps i still refuse to watch it.
 

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hey sasukebowser, remove the videos of my matchs. That youtube account got banned or suspended... idk . :s
 

Popcornio

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Well, first video I finally get to post up here. Earlier today I convinced a few buddies to split the cost of a capture card and we did it.

This is with one of my buds that I practice with on a regular basis and thought I'd get some feedback.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgEkD6bIGW4
I was wondering if someone would critique this for me. I've been really wanting to improve my game. :ohwell:
 

Kaffei

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I was wondering if someone would critique this for me. I've been really wanting to improve my game. :ohwell:
-You screwed up a lot of arrow cancels in the beginning, and they are kind of excessive. Try to arrow cancel after a bomb pull if you're gonna shoot an arrow at all.
-I just see a lot of random grounded arrows which can be PSed and punished.
-You react slowly.
-Boomerangs and Bombs are part of his games, so try to use that more.
-When you throw boomerangs, smash it. It reaches farther and I think it travels faster too.
-There is quite a lot of room at FD. It seemed to me like you were restricted to the ground. Use more of the space to help you get around.

That's all I got. :p
 

2cool4u

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I was wondering if someone would critique this for me. I've been really wanting to improve my game. :ohwell:
Throwing a bomb down when he's on the other side of the stage doesn't really do much...throwing bombs AT him would do more. Throwing more boomerangs would help as well.
You used grounded arrows a lot and those get punished. Some of it was predictable but it takes creativity and cleverness to fix that. Try catching the peanut (at least I think it was a peanut :confused:): that freaked out a diddy I played against.
You got owned by the 'naners too.
 
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I was wondering if someone would critique this for me. I've been really wanting to improve my game. :ohwell:
I think you're spending too much time trying to read the Diddy. So much time, that it's easy to predict you. You react slowly. Also, against a Diddy, I would recommend throwing the bananas away, or punishing him with it. If you leave it on the ground, he can just pick it right up.

Try to spam more projectiles. What you did slowed down his approach, which is good, however, it's better to make his approach more of a struggle. If you spam more projectiles, it's harder for him to approach, even with bananas.

If what I said doesn't make sense, I'll fix it later. My eyes are half closed.
 

Popcornio

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-You screwed up a lot of arrow cancels in the beginning, and they are kind of excessive. Try to arrow cancel after a bomb pull if you're gonna shoot an arrow at all.
-I just see a lot of random grounded arrows which can be PSed and punished.
-You react slowly.
-Boomerangs and Bombs are part of his games, so try to use that more.
-When you throw boomerangs, smash it. It reaches farther and I think it travels faster too.
-There is quite a lot of room at FD. It seemed to me like you were restricted to the ground. Use more of the space to help you get around.

That's all I got. :p
-That is something I'm trying to work on, seeing as I haven't gotten the timing down very precise for it yet but I do manage to pull it off correctly from time to time.
- ^ Most of those are my failed Arrow Cancels, which I try to SH then do but doesn't always seem to happen.
- Uh, I'll try to react faster? :ohwell: Have any examples of what I could/should of done at parts for an example?
- I thought I used a lot, I guess I need to use more, lol.
- Explain? Smash with the stick or do I press/hold the B button or simply tap it?
- Well, I try to do a lot of SH Aerials.

Throwing a bomb down when he's on the other side of the stage doesn't really do much...throwing bombs AT him would do more. Throwing more boomerangs would help as well.
You used grounded arrows a lot and those get punished. Some of it was predictable but it takes creativity and cleverness to fix that. Try catching the peanut (at least I think it was a peanut :confused:): that freaked out a diddy I played against.
You got owned by the 'naners too.
- Like Twink said, I spent too much time trying to predict his movements too much. It was an attempt to keep him away from me but I suppose throwing them AT him would of been much better.
- I don't think I use grounded arrows very close, besides that one time he did his Side-B kick into me. Most of the time I only do them if they are far away.
- Bombs > Peanut. Besides, it takes time to catch the peanut and once you have it, it limits aerials and isn't that great as a projectile, at least that's how I see it.
- Who doesn't get owned by the bananas? We all know it's all momentum based and once his hits you with one, you can expect a follow-up. I guess I need to work on PS/catching them better (which I did a few times in that match with N-airs).

I think you're spending too much time trying to read the Diddy. So much time, that it's easy to predict you. You react slowly. Also, against a Diddy, I would recommend throwing the bananas away, or punishing him with it. If you leave it on the ground, he can just pick it right up.

Try to spam more projectiles. What you did slowed down his approach, which is good, however, it's better to make his approach more of a struggle. If you spam more projectiles, it's harder for him to approach, even with bananas.

If what I said doesn't make sense, I'll fix it later. My eyes are half closed.
- So true.
- Any examples of slow reaction?
- Yeah, I still haven't gotten it into my head that throwing the Bananas away to keep him from using them is better than hitting him with them.
- I try to use as many projectiles/Z-airs that I can to keep him from approaching, but I suppose I need to use the Boomerang more.

Conclusion:
1) Work on Arrow Cancels more
2) Throw Bananas away
3) More 'rangs
4) Less grounded arrows

Thanks for all the tips guys, I will definitely keep this stuff in mind in the future.
 

UncleSam

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- Bombs > Peanut. Besides, it takes time to catch the peanut and once you have it, it limits aerials and isn't that great as a projectile, at least that's how I see it.
Learn the (I)ZAC you can do aerials while holding items. very useful.
 

Kaffei

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Does it work while moving horizontally? I have only managed to do it while falling downwards.
JC throw it and catch it with an aerial.

And you wanted 1 example of a slow reaction; go to 1:07. You stood there for like half a second. That's too slow.
Also, try fast falling more often; you'll be able to move around more like weeeeeeeeee
 
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