TLMSheikant
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Zeton uses rising fair several times when recovering back on stage and it works fine...especially since it will beat out our boomerang and arrows.Lolz, second matchup in a row where people say gimping Fox is nothing too difficult... rising Fair solves most of our problems.
I would put this at around 50:50, maybe even a little towards Fox or TL adv. I don't have time to explain now, but I will laters!
Lol that was harsh. Did anybody even mention his reflector?U guys didnt play melee I guess. If its because of the reflector u suck. He has some good stuff but overall we beat him in range. And hes light solving our usual killing problems.
Oh pfft...Then why would it be 55-45 Fox. I fail to realize how he could possibly have an advantage over us. W/e its up to TL boards to decide the ratio anyways not me. sigh.
Bombs and Zair.
What does TL have going for him that would tip the scales in his favor? It doesn't seem like he has any gimmicks other than utilt chain and bair which doesn't last too long and isnt game changing. If you try to spam bair, your drift speed isn't ridiculous and the hitbox isn't abnormal, meaning fox could most likely resort to lazerz. Also, fair counters opponents who take to the air too often, meaning that isn't necesarrily a fool proof plan. Its kinda like falco's cg, except TL is limited in the grab game.
Shine has invincibility frames (a lot of people don't know) meaning if you recover with up B because of a low sending move, possibly bair or dsmash, you are in gimp range and it is the fox's fault if you live.Shine gimps but only if TL is dumb enough to fall for that.
Sry, I don't know what you mean by bypass. Bypass with projectiles or your spacing? Fox isn't just going to sit around with a reflector up because projectiles can be powershielded. It's just that in situation where you throw projectiles, there is a possiblity for it to go back and hit you.Ur reflector is easy to bypass
Fox is very agile due to his fast fall speed, high jumping, and fast running speed. You aren't going to jump around and just throw bombs all day. Lasers will make you approach and vice versa.Lasers dont outcamp smart TL campers
1) I know VERY well i t has inviframes.ok...
Shine has invincibility frames (a lot of people don't know) meaning if you recover with up B because of a low sending move, possibly bair or dsmash, you are in gimp range and it is the fox's fault if you live.
Sry, I don't know what you mean by bypass. Bypass with projectiles or your spacing? Fox isn't just going to sit around with a reflector up because projectiles can be powershielded. It's just that in situation where you throw projectiles, there is a possiblity for it to go back and hit you.
Fox is very agile due to his fast fall speed, high jumping, and fast running speed. You aren't going to jump around and just throw bombs all day. Lasers will make you approach and vice versa.
This may be a stage dependent matchup where Fox will need more space to avoid projectiles and less platforms to be able to abuse because a cramped stage would allow TL to abuse his sword and range through platforms.
Likewise, Toon Link isn't gonna be standing still in front of a stationary Fox throwing bombs. We don't have to throw bombs at you. Toons are pretty much always in the air, and if we throw the bomb downwards in front of you, the blast will go through the shine and hit. If you're using your shine the same way you power shield, we could just jump. If we JC Throw the bomb, we're already at a distance. And if we were to stand still, we could just shield it, and probably OoS something, whether it be a grab or a nair. Bombs are really versatile. Plus, it won't ONLY be bombs that we throw at you. We have 3 projectiles, and ways to throw all three of them almost consecutively. We have plenty of options, hence, the shine is easy to bypass. Plus, we can Zair through the shine if it ever comes to that.
Sry, I don't know what you mean by bypass. Bypass with projectiles or your spacing? Fox isn't just going to sit around with a reflector up because projectiles can be powershielded. It's just that in situation where you throw projectiles, there is a possiblity for it to go back and hit you.
If anything, Fox will be the one approaching. TL's projectiles > Fox's lasers. Oh and by the way, Fox is stuck between Doomed and Vulnerable.
Fox is very agile due to his fast fall speed, high jumping, and fast running speed. You aren't going to jump around and just throw bombs all day. Lasers will make you approach and vice versa.
This may be a stage dependent matchup where Fox will need more space to avoid projectiles and less platforms to be able to abuse dair because a cramped stage would allow TL to abuse his sword and range through platforms
I dont like Foxes u overrate ur character WAY too much. Sarcastic replies in quote.Ok I had enough of what's been being said............ what year are you guys living in? Fox players stop abusing dair after month 3 of brawl come on man.
Who said anything about Dair?
Fair is our aerial with most range and second prioritize aerial. It's not just mutli-hits but it also increases fox's air mobility where he can drift to your shield and back out of safety (A mimic of peach's float when done correctly), ALSO it can be auto cancelled.
We know this. K thanx.
Now since you are a tether grabber fox can do some sick things to your shield.
Like Nair>Jab>grab and not get ****ed up for it.
No way sir. Weve never realized our grab sux.
Also the Delux sunshine combo works on TL unforunate for you guys (look it up)
Also coming down on fox is not the best idea if our Uair outpioritizes all of your moves besides Dair.
Oh and we use Dair sooo much. We only said we would FH when in long range if youre camping. Good luck getting there in time. Fox has great mobility but saying u can reach us and upair us in time is just overestimating him dont u think?
HEY FOX CAN IN A SINGLE SH REFLECT AN OBJECT AND SHL so I'm sure we win in camping. (BEING AERIAL KEEPS US MOBILE)
Oh gee we're screwed. Shine is too good.
Our bair doesn't have bad range either and can be ACed it's our strongest aerial so it will probably be a killer on you guys.
DI.
What's range if you can't keep up with our agility?
What's agility if u cant use it?
It's been stated some I'm reiterating...Usmash kills early.
No way.
I saw some one say Bair our Uair? our Uair outprioritizes.
In what game?
GETTING ON STAGE! I see the TLs are basing everything on Fox illisioning onto the stage.....not anything about him illisioning for the ledge grab. Since we have shine stalling (HELLO IT ALSO REFLECTS PROJECTILES) and rising Fair it makes predicting our ledge grab harder... not saying you guys can't gimp us.
BUT.....what is this only stupid TLs get hit by shine spike? I find SSpiking TL easy cause his Up b leaves his head open.
TL doesnt need Upb to recover if he DIs properly like GOOD TLs will.
I'm just stating what I have experince with TLs at tournies.
Some TLs u face.
So agruements come forth.
U spelled argument wrong.
We have our BCD, which is also a One Hit KO on water, and can gimp Fox in normal stages. (look it up)Also the Delux sunshine combo works on TL unforunate for you guys (look it up)
What happened at OH SNAP? In our friendlies? We were about even.I think its 60/40 TL. Retreating bair.. what can they do? I'm also pretty sure we can shield grab all there arials. maybe 65:35 lol.
I recall the 3rd match I won the set, then line moved for people in line to fight me in friendlies.Dude, we played two games. I dont remember the first one much, but I know I 3 stocked you the second game.