Unfortunately, Dr. Mario is probably the worst character in the game

[MegaBlaster1234]

Man, it's rare to see a Doc thread actually having life in it. It's good, we need to keep that up. It would be good to have original threads other than " Doc recovery sucks " or " Is Doc the worst character in the game ? ". We need better threads, that could help people discovering the potential of Doc. The more activity, the more we discover things about Doc and the better the character will be.

I completely agree. I think people are against playing Doc because of his obvious weaknesses instead of exploring his unique style of play.
I main MegaMan so a lot of fundamentals carry over to Doc, and I can vouch that Doc has what it takes to at least put up a decent fight against the current top tiers. It's an uphill battle, but not impossible.
One F-Smash is all it takes.

 

[Quillion]

I think it makes sense since according to Sakurai, they only balanced Dr. Mario in relation to vMario and ignored pretty much everyone else.

Sakurai also said that he'll only balance glaring problems, so if Doc is really bad (just like how Diddy has a broken uair) he could get fixed.

 

[Kisatamura]

I love how much this thread has livened up recently, and how the posts are all talking about how Doc is actually good despite the thread name.

Some of the Docs here discovering that he attacks as fast as Mario and has a DownB that has mad priority helps.

 

[GSM_Dren]

I'm really glad they put Doc in the game, but I wouldn't say he's the worst out of the cast. I'm using him as a secondary at the moment (due to my loyalty to Melee) and while I'm sure he's low tier, he's still a force to be reckoned with. I do agree that his recovery is lackluster (right behind little mac), but DownB is ridiculously good. Mobility is an issue, but pills do an alright job with helping us approach/zone opponents. UpB OoS punishes are amazing and he still has combo potential with throws, tilts, aerials.

 

[Xinc]

If it's anything like Luigi's Cyclone, you can probably do some amazing stuff with it.

Has anyone tried to edgeguard with it?

I went ahead and edge guarded a recovering Rosalina with it with rage factor and medium percent, and it killed. Doc Tornado is pretty decent, from what I see. I only wish the end lag wasn't as much.

 

[Gidy]

I went ahead and edge guarded a recovering Rosalina with it with rage factor and medium percent, and it killed. Doc Tornado is pretty decent, from what I see. I only wish the end lag wasn't as much.

For whatever reason, people don't seem to stay in his cyclone when he mashes up.

 

[Xinc]

For whatever reason, people don't seem to stay in his cyclone when he mashes up.

I think it's DI-able but also because the lift takes him too far up. If you mash just a bit, you can still get the strong hitbox

 

[zmancb7]

After many a for glory mode and playing against one of the better players I know, I think without a doubt our man Doc is NOT the worst.

Sure he has challenging match-ups, but as stated, better players will overcome them. I've learned to really abuse his hitboxes, especially dair and dash attack. Just being unpredictable helps as well. For my playstyle, his major weakness is that he needs to get up close and personal and this can be really hard against characters that are better at spacing. I've played many annoying Zeldas and Megamans online and I can't seem to win those. I like playing heavier characters so I can practice downthrow combos.

 

[MightyJake]

I personally think he's better than Mario, However now I realise why I never try to go off stage with Dr. Mario. His Recovery is quite poor.

 

[Boigahs]

Any discussion about best or worst character is fruitless. It always turns into "this character is worse than x y and z" and then " no x and z are really good" and no one has any evidence more valid than the other person's.
Doc, like the rest of the cast, will get you results if you are good at the game. I greatly enjoy playing him. He is likely not the best character in the game, but that doesn't mean you can't win as him. SJP, Docnade, and Sheets all have good applications, you just have to be smart about them and know your limits. His recovery isn't QUITE as bad as people make it out to be, too. Personally, I don't think I'll ever stop playing Dr. Mario unless some drastic patching occurs.

 

[Kisatamura]

I'll wait until they have Dr. Luigi as DLC and then we can continue this discussion.

 

[Marioexpertken]

It's just sad to see Doc get nerfed in Smash 4. I have to accept this fact, but I ain't gonna stop playing with him cause I see still take Dr. Mario over Mario due to the changes since I still prefer the pre Brawl movese

 

[Spottel]

It upsets me that everyone says the doc is bad. It now goes so far and people say he's the worst character in the game.
Warning: Huge text
Jab = One of the best in the game ( frame 2 ) and kann be canceled to a UpB/ Grab as example
Bair = Autocancels, good range, good DMG, killmove, nice pressure tool
Nair = Autcancels, Frame 3 so its a very nice combobreaker
Fair = Insane killmove, DThrow Fair is on a lot of characters a true combo so its a killcombo on like 60-80 %
UpSmash = Invulnerable on the head, can kill early
FSmash = His strongest smash. Not the best range but its hard to punish.
DSmash = Good range, nice for roll reads because the back hit is very strong
Doc Tornado = Ridiculous priority, helps mobility and recovery a lot, really good edgeguarding tool and kills very early
Cape = Can reflect everything and is good for edgeguarding
UpB = Great OoS option ( Frame 3 ), killmove too
Zoning in general: Pills forces people to approach you, FTilt, BThrow and Bair are too really good tools to zone
Combos: DThrow is a great combostarter, UpAirs has a nice kb angel for more follow-ups, DTilt and UpTilt are important too
Recovery: Many people say that the recovery sucks because they can not deal with it. I have no problems with that because I use the tornado very well and it can mixup the recovery. You can say many things, but his recovery is not as bad as everyone says.
Speed: Thats imo his biggest problem. It makes punishes/ reads harder. But you can deal with it because zoning.

In summary: Good Frame data, good pressure tools, insane killgame ( many kilmoves, much killpower and DThrow to Fair ), constant combos, a real zoning game, can edgeguard really well

So I dont think that he's with all this good tools low tier, please. No one uses him in big tournaments what makes me sad because he is really good ( somewhere in mid-tier )

 

[sjb.dario]

Sorry to break the flow, but did we really have to revive this thread?

 

[Baby_Sneak]

No, somebody lock this up @Swampasaur

 

[Gunla]

Got it; the thread has been locked.