LanceStern
Smash Lord
Hey guys, I'm not very good with long introductions. I love reading eloquent intros to awesome discoveries and techniques, but I jsut get bored with them so here goes. I'm a Samus main. I enjoy using her but she has some crazy ridiculous matchups that when played correctly is almost unwinnable (coughOlimarcoughMetaknightcough). I decided to pick up Peach for fun because she has some cool mechanics. I was also inspired by Armada and his Genesis videos. I've been lurking and posting in this board for about 3 months now I think
While using Peach I don't know what made me do it, but I was practicing against a computer and accidently slid backwards with the bair. I realized it spaced me perfectly away from their fsmash and I was able to punish them with a slightly-boosted fsmash of my own. So I decided to keep trying.
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WASPING...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_mRE3FWab4 - Demo video
What I found was the auto-cancelled (or float cancelled I don't know the technical term) is great for spacing backwards directly into a move. I kept trying and found it perfect for:
+ Spacing Marth fairs, lucario fsmashes, fox fsmashes, MK dsmashes etc.
It could also catch turnips and lead into grabs. Great for mindgames because it looks like a slightly slower version of the wavedash. Dash/run to the opponent then wasp backwards to freak them out. You can do it both ways (going fowards is an auto-cancelled fair) but you get more slide going backwards than forwards. Here's what I did:
How to do it
F-Wasp (Forward wasp)
Method #1:
1. Hold R (optional)
2. Hold down on the control stick and angle it forwards (diagonal forward)
3. While holding down, Jump
4. Immediately hit A.
*Method #2: (lets you hold turnips)
1. Hold down on the control stick and angle it forwards (diagonal forward)
2. Jump
3. Hit shield (R or L)
When I think about it, Method #2 is just like a wavedash motion in Melee.
You should slide the distance of about a fsmash tennis racket.
B-Wasp (Backwards wasp)
*Method #1:
1. Hold R (optional)
2. Hold down on the control stick and angle it backwards (diagonal back)
3. While holding down, Jump
4. Immediately hit A.
Method#2: (allows you to hold turnips but doesn't slide as far as method #1)
1. hold down on the control stick and angle it backwards
2. Jump
3. Immediately hit shield
* - Best method to use.
What happens is Peach does an abbreviated version of the bair with the slide distance of about her fsmash with the tennis racket. Only it's not a slide it's a jump that's floated into a bair. You should see her head popup and her yell "ha" like doing a bair.
Frequently Asked Questions
1. Why not just dash->powershield?
That's just it, you have to dash to get the block on an attack. With this bair spacing tool, you can be standing still and immediately have a way to space away from an approach/attack and come back with a punishment.
2. It puts you too far away from the opponent.
That's good in some ways, and not true in others. Check out the videos below and you'll see that the f/b wasp spaces you away from/towards the enemy enough to punish them, or mindgame them.
3. Is it viable?
I'm not sure but I think if people perfected it then yes! It's relatively easy to perform, almost like a wavedash (I can do it about 80% of the time in a game). Great for spacing and mindgames. It can be done moving forward too, you just get less distance. You can also hold a turnip to increase punishment options. Wasp forward/backwards then throw the turnip. Or hide your stitchface with a barrage of wasping and dashing.
I believe it is THAT technique that Peach needs to move up even just an inch in the tiers. She looks like the Peach from Melee, and it gives her a formiddable and FAST ground game...
There are combos/mindgames with it:
1. Jab x2 -> wasp toward the opponent -> jab -> grab
2. Wasp -> Dsmash (yes you can slide your dsmash now)
3. Techchase wasp -> Dsmash
4. Wasp mindgames back and forth -> usmash
5. Wasp to space yourself to or from a standing/attacking/falling opponent -> fsmash
6. Wasp back/forward -> dash attack
7. Wasp back -> Jab
Videos
Wasping Demo #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_mRE3FWab4 - Demo video
Shows the wasping in training mode and some uses for it.
Wasping Demo #2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2RPFbVOu6U
vs. Lvl 9 CPU Marth... Looks like Melee Peach?
Things to look for at what time:
0:16 – 0:18 B-wasp space
0:26- 0:30 F-wasp space
0:36-0:40 B-wasp space
0:42 – 0:45 F-wasp -> Dsmash
2:11 – 2:16 F-wasp -> space -> fsmash
Wasping Demo #3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87KNfNlE5lk
vs. Lvl9 CPU Ike.... random combos and beatdowns plus chain grab
0:10 - 0:12 Bair Space
0:13 - 018 Down grab crain grab and ftilt lock
0:55 – 0:59 3x Bair Wasp -> Fair Wasp Dsmash (CAN’T DO THAT WITH DASHING SON!!!)
1:26 – 1:30 -> Bair Wasp space -> fsmash
Wasping Demos #4, 5, 6
These videos show how you can use the wasping to punish opponents, mindgame, or simply respace yourself when you wouldn't be able to otherwise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L5TR2K5c-U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vv4tnEdmJw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r72UAW_S0aM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcRWa5go42c - ( See time 00:40 - 00:45, wavedashing o_O )
You can also search at Youtube under the name "Peach wasping".
PS. - I noticed Peaches' movements remind me a lot like that of a wasp. They float and hover around enemies and move in to strike, then float back out. Peach has that same disturbing erratic floating motion. What are the odds of coining the phrase "wasping" to describe her floating techniques and patterns.
Rather than saying "work on your float techniques and how you space with floats", you could say "work on your wasping". Any thoughts?
While using Peach I don't know what made me do it, but I was practicing against a computer and accidently slid backwards with the bair. I realized it spaced me perfectly away from their fsmash and I was able to punish them with a slightly-boosted fsmash of my own. So I decided to keep trying.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WASPING...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_mRE3FWab4 - Demo video
What I found was the auto-cancelled (or float cancelled I don't know the technical term) is great for spacing backwards directly into a move. I kept trying and found it perfect for:
+ Spacing Marth fairs, lucario fsmashes, fox fsmashes, MK dsmashes etc.
It could also catch turnips and lead into grabs. Great for mindgames because it looks like a slightly slower version of the wavedash. Dash/run to the opponent then wasp backwards to freak them out. You can do it both ways (going fowards is an auto-cancelled fair) but you get more slide going backwards than forwards. Here's what I did:
How to do it
F-Wasp (Forward wasp)
Method #1:
1. Hold R (optional)
2. Hold down on the control stick and angle it forwards (diagonal forward)
3. While holding down, Jump
4. Immediately hit A.
*Method #2: (lets you hold turnips)
1. Hold down on the control stick and angle it forwards (diagonal forward)
2. Jump
3. Hit shield (R or L)
When I think about it, Method #2 is just like a wavedash motion in Melee.
You should slide the distance of about a fsmash tennis racket.
B-Wasp (Backwards wasp)
*Method #1:
1. Hold R (optional)
2. Hold down on the control stick and angle it backwards (diagonal back)
3. While holding down, Jump
4. Immediately hit A.
Method#2: (allows you to hold turnips but doesn't slide as far as method #1)
1. hold down on the control stick and angle it backwards
2. Jump
3. Immediately hit shield
* - Best method to use.
What happens is Peach does an abbreviated version of the bair with the slide distance of about her fsmash with the tennis racket. Only it's not a slide it's a jump that's floated into a bair. You should see her head popup and her yell "ha" like doing a bair.
Frequently Asked Questions
1. Why not just dash->powershield?
That's just it, you have to dash to get the block on an attack. With this bair spacing tool, you can be standing still and immediately have a way to space away from an approach/attack and come back with a punishment.
2. It puts you too far away from the opponent.
That's good in some ways, and not true in others. Check out the videos below and you'll see that the f/b wasp spaces you away from/towards the enemy enough to punish them, or mindgame them.
3. Is it viable?
I'm not sure but I think if people perfected it then yes! It's relatively easy to perform, almost like a wavedash (I can do it about 80% of the time in a game). Great for spacing and mindgames. It can be done moving forward too, you just get less distance. You can also hold a turnip to increase punishment options. Wasp forward/backwards then throw the turnip. Or hide your stitchface with a barrage of wasping and dashing.
I believe it is THAT technique that Peach needs to move up even just an inch in the tiers. She looks like the Peach from Melee, and it gives her a formiddable and FAST ground game...
There are combos/mindgames with it:
1. Jab x2 -> wasp toward the opponent -> jab -> grab
2. Wasp -> Dsmash (yes you can slide your dsmash now)
3. Techchase wasp -> Dsmash
4. Wasp mindgames back and forth -> usmash
5. Wasp to space yourself to or from a standing/attacking/falling opponent -> fsmash
6. Wasp back/forward -> dash attack
7. Wasp back -> Jab
Videos
Wasping Demo #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_mRE3FWab4 - Demo video
Shows the wasping in training mode and some uses for it.
Wasping Demo #2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2RPFbVOu6U
vs. Lvl 9 CPU Marth... Looks like Melee Peach?
Things to look for at what time:
0:16 – 0:18 B-wasp space
0:26- 0:30 F-wasp space
0:36-0:40 B-wasp space
0:42 – 0:45 F-wasp -> Dsmash
2:11 – 2:16 F-wasp -> space -> fsmash
Wasping Demo #3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87KNfNlE5lk
vs. Lvl9 CPU Ike.... random combos and beatdowns plus chain grab
0:10 - 0:12 Bair Space
0:13 - 018 Down grab crain grab and ftilt lock
0:55 – 0:59 3x Bair Wasp -> Fair Wasp Dsmash (CAN’T DO THAT WITH DASHING SON!!!)
1:26 – 1:30 -> Bair Wasp space -> fsmash
Wasping Demos #4, 5, 6
These videos show how you can use the wasping to punish opponents, mindgame, or simply respace yourself when you wouldn't be able to otherwise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L5TR2K5c-U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vv4tnEdmJw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r72UAW_S0aM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcRWa5go42c - ( See time 00:40 - 00:45, wavedashing o_O )
You can also search at Youtube under the name "Peach wasping".
PS. - I noticed Peaches' movements remind me a lot like that of a wasp. They float and hover around enemies and move in to strike, then float back out. Peach has that same disturbing erratic floating motion. What are the odds of coining the phrase "wasping" to describe her floating techniques and patterns.
Rather than saying "work on your float techniques and how you space with floats", you could say "work on your wasping". Any thoughts?