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No, John123456 (?? what a terrible name) is pro-ban and did the whole money research **** to try and "prove" MK's dominance.
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I don't follow Brawl all that closely (only recently because the MK ban is stupid; also trolling with Sheik in that game is funny), nor do I check AllisBrawl ever.strongbad who was that person, Iliad or something? someone like that made a chart on allisbrawl to counter johnnumbers chart, who analyzed tons of things about explained how SKILL was the factor in his conclusion?
I don't remember his exact name so I can't find his blog on aib as a result
you know who I'm talking about right?
Puffs Pound stallingWhen you're playing to time the opponent out, and doing so very clearly, is it considered just really intense hardcore camping? Or stalling?
I guess from that chart you could determine he hadNo, John123456 (?? what a terrible name) is pro-ban and did the whole money research **** to try and "prove" MK's dominance.
This guy summarized everything PERFECTLY
it's not about what's right or wrong. It's simply catering to a majority, and since the VAST majority of people don't use MK, assuming each person has equal bias (MK players for it and pro bans against it to help them) it is still heavily going to be more for the ban than it should really be otherwise. By doing things this way (Majority wins over all), Unity will always be in power, even if their way of doing things isn't a compromise at all. It's pretty unfortunate how it really works, since being in the majority is all that matters.
I'm really not sure the answer is to continue banning stages just because a single character is overpowered on them. That's the same mistake the melee community has made with fox. Now that MK is banned we may find a lot of more stages being used in counter picks since a single character is no longer god on those levels.I'm pretty sure this is the blog you're looking for: http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=123595
And yeah, I think they should've changed the ruleset before banning MK. They wanted change for the community basically because they were bored of MK, but they could've did the same with simply changing the ruleset and banning RC and Brinstar, this would've been more conciliating. But, they still decided to ban MK because the fact that he's pretty much the main reason for changing rulesets makes it a reason to ban him. This really shows laziness on their part.
It's too bad this IS the case. The main argument isn't that he wins the most money. He DOES break the game under our current ruleset. (Someone like M2K can debate this to no end, but over 70% of the community feels the same way. You don't need to main a character to know how good it is.) It's because of his being so incredibly good, beating every character in every possible way (except for not having a projectile, yet it could be argued that he can STILL camp better than Falco/Olimar/Snake) Oh, and Olimar might have an overall stronger ground game. Buuuut, MetaKnight has the best everything else.Oh noes!
A character is being used a lot.
What bunch of ****ing bunk to base the criterion for banning him off of. I wish the Brawl community would focus on the fact that Metaknight arguably "breaks" their game, not based on how much money he makes or how often he's used.
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I think you missed something:It's too bad this IS the case. The main argument isn't that he wins the most money. He DOES break the game under our current ruleset. (Someone like M2K can debate this to no end, but over 70% of the community feels the same way. You don't need to main a character to know how good it is.) It's because of his being so incredibly good, beating every character in every possible way (except for not having a projectile, yet it could be argued that he can STILL camp better than Falco/Olimar/Snake) Oh, and Olimar might have an overall stronger ground game. Buuuut, MetaKnight has the best everything else.
The crazy amount of usage and money made by MK is just a contributing factor that proves that he dominates the metagame.
That is more important than anything else. Bringing up the fact that MK is used a lot and brings home the most money is pointless. It doesn't prove or disprove a damn thing in relation to his abilities as a character.I wish the Brawl community would focus on the fact that Metaknight arguably "breaks" their game, not based on how much money he makes or how often he's used.
RC and Brinstar shouldn't be legal even with MK in the game. It is not a coincidence that we(The United States) are pretty much the only country to have an MK problem and we're also the only country to have those stages legalI'm really not sure the answer is to continue banning stages just because a single character is overpowered on them. That's the same mistake the melee community has made with fox. Now that MK is banned we may find a lot of more stages being used in counter picks since a single character is no longer god on those levels.
Doesn't matter.We're also the only country to have put anywhere near the same amount of time and effort into MetaKnight...
Just sayin'.
Lol thats not even a real excuse. Ally hasn't been playing MK for nearly as long as a lot of our top MKs and yet he caught up quite easily to Anti/Nairo. Japan has plenty of Metaknights but none of them complain about him either. Their MKs are really good and its not like they don't put time/effort into getting better especially if they main him. Their metaknights are also not of lower skill then any of ours with the exception of maybe like M2K.We're also the only country to have put anywhere near the same amount of time and effort into MetaKnight...
Just sayin'.
I love the backpedaling.If you look at our country's top players and compare the characters they use to characters of top players in other countries, you'd see that. I'm not going to go find the info for you, because I don't need to.
Yea because so many of Japans GOOD MKs showed up to Genesis 2. Literally the only half mk player from Japan that showed up was Rain and hes not even considered one of their top MKs. His falco is a looot better and is the reason he is(or was) a top player in Japan.EDIT: @DRN really? Look at Genesis 2 placings, or any situation where their MKs have been pitted against ours, and tell me that their MKs are not of lower skill than ours.
I don't think it's just you that caused the ban, but the fact that near everyone used him because of the way you used him... if that makes sense. Because every tourney had a MK:Other character ratio that was way too big of a difference, I guess people got tired of "MK this" or "MK that". I could be wrong, but that's just my thought. A petty reason to ban a character, in my opinion, but what can one do? I suppose you can switch to D3 and see if you can get him banned to prove a point? Hell, if I know.I got mk banned, when it's the last thing I wanted to do
all because of 2 things
1) biased Unity members who wanted him gone
2) support from a majority, since more people benefit from him gone than not. So it will never be refuted.
It's true that there is no way for me to completely prove their mks are of the same level. Of course this could be applied in so many different ways. I could also say that we cannot for sure say our MKs are better then theirs since we cant prove it. I also dont want to use flawed comparisons bringing up the players that did come to the USA. I dont believe the world sees our mks as the best. They may see that we have the best MK though(M2K).@DRN True, I'm glad you knew that much. However, how can you say that their MKs are of equal skill level to ours? Where's your proof?
Our MK's have been seen as the best MK's in the world, and I'm pretty sure there is a reason for that. >_<
Sa-nap. XDProblem with Jason is, he thinks he's the reason MK is getting/is banned. NO. The world isn't around you.
Oh this is just dumb. Of course M2K is a major reason why this ban happened. Hes been winning almost every tourney since Brawls release. The Metaknight "statistics" that they keep purporting, and the perceived dominance of MK would be very different if M2K didn't exist.Problem with Jason is, he thinks he's the reason MK is getting/is banned. NO. The world isn't around you.
That pretty much sums up some of the argument.So its not just M2k's fault that he was banned...
It was M2k andall the fanboys that copied him
Makes me wonder how much money top tier characters have won in other fighting games, let alone Smash Bros.. Perhaps that can be a way to prove that MK's ban is simply out of hate? Personally, it makes no difference to me. Banned or not, people will complain, piss, moan, argue, and whine about either MK's ban, MK not being banned, or whoever takes his place at numero 1.especially since it's heavily based off who is in the finals and a lot of newbs look at amount-of-money won.