When Ike fights with his Friends: 2 VS 2 Battles. Current Discussion - LUCARIO

[Blad01]

Sorry, Blad, but I'm going to have to contradict you here. The problem is that while Sonic can have good and bad characters to team up with, any team including Sonic is never going to be above mediocre. Sonic just gets in the way far too much.

Lol, sorry, i just wanted to counterbalance what Arturito was saying ^^'

I think that Sonic is way better in teams that in 1vs1 though, but the problem is that there are always better choices... :s

 

[•Col•]

Can someone tell me what makes Sonic so good in teams...? >_>

I really don't see it. I think he does even worse than in singles. D:

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

He doesn't have anything to make him good in teams people are just being dumb.

 

[Ussi]

Sonic has the ability to change opponents VERY fast and can easily go out and help his partner getting combo'd or combo with him. Other than that he has nothing. Maybe do ground spring > Ike Uair for lulz. Sonic can dthrow into Ike's f/usmash

There will always be a better choice. MK, Snake, and G&W are the the best in teams. G&W being the best.

 

[Guilhe]

I agree with Arturito’s argument, Ike and Sonic isn’t a good team. Ike needs someone who doesn’t need to be mobile to survive and has a good grab to throw opponents at Ike’s smashes. I think Olimar would do great with Ike.

 

[comboking]

http://allisbrawl.com/video/video.aspx?id=5440 this looks like fun it should work with Ike and Sonic on a team. (Ike might be too tall)
credit goes to: ShadoFiend at allisbrawl

 

[•Col•]

http://allisbrawl.com/video/video.aspx?id=5440 this looks like fun it should work with Ike and Sonic on a team. (Ike might be too tall)

Doesn't that seem kind of..... Very situational?

And kind of stupid? <_<

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

would you stop replying to him? When someone is linking AIB it means they've run out of things to plagiarize.

 

[•Col•]

would you stop replying to him? When someone is linking AIB it means they've run out of things to plagiarize.

Yeah.... I guess you're right....

 

[comboking]

I wasn't plagerizing anything I didn't take any credit from ShadoFiend. Very situation but you have to keep your options open you know what I mean.

plagiarism
noun1. a piece of writing that has been copied from someone else and is presented as being your own work 2. the act of plagiarizing; taking someone's words or ideas as if they were your own

I did not take credit

 

[Ussi]

I agree with Arturito’s argument, Ike and Sonic isn’t a good team. Ike needs someone who doesn’t need to be mobile to survive and has a good grab to throw opponents at Ike’s smashes. I think Olimar would do great with Ike.

I've done that team before. Olimar makes a great life tank, however, this is team GIMPtastic. Both of you have horrid recoveries, and if both of you are off stage in the same place, most likely one of you will kill the other from recovering. Also, mobility isn't a bad thing, its also good for getting out of Ike's way.

Also, teams are best won by how in sync the players are. Characters don't really factor doubles too much, they only factor what the team can do.

 

[actmasterkings]

ike and ganon are a nuscience. they will piss you off because it ony takes 6 good hits to kill you. they are both slow and take up space so it is good to have them on teams

 

[Nidtendofreak]

ike and ganon are a nuscience. they will piss you off because it ony takes 6 good hits to kill you. they are both slow and take up space so it is good to have them on teams

.......

SOMEBODY didn't read the topic title at full length. Or the first post. At all.

And I'm waiting for input form the Sonic Boards. I posted in thieir 2 on 2 topic.

 

[Guilhe]

I've done that team before. Olimar makes a great life tank, however, this is team GIMPtastic. Both of you have horrid recoveries, and if both of you are off stage in the same place, most likely one of you will kill the other from recovering. Also, mobility isn't a bad thing, its also good for getting out of Ike's way.

Sure Ussi, I didn’t say that mobility something bad, I said that it is bad being dependent on it. Especially with Ike on your team. Olimar may have a bad recovery, but he can turtle very well, leaving you with lots of space and diminished risk of hitting one another. His great grab game also goes very well with Ike’s smashes. And while both having to recover from the same side of the stage may have disastrous results, it shouldn’t be happening quite often.

Also, gimp kills occur less often in 2 vs. 2. A team that works so well should be surviving and killing much more. Well… At least on paper, as you’ve said, sync is important.

P.S.: Go update your stage discussion Ussi, now!

 

[SaltyKracka]

ike and ganon are a nuscience. they will piss you off because it ony takes 6 good hits to kill you. they are both slow and take up space so it is good to have them on teams

Ike and Ganon, the ultimate team.

No?

 

[Ussi]

Sure Ussi, I didn’t say that mobility something bad, I said that it is bad being dependent on it. Especially with Ike on your team. Olimar may have a bad recovery, but he can turtle very well, leaving you with lots of space and diminished risk of hitting one another. His great grab game also goes very well with Ike’s smashes. And while both having to recover from the same side of the stage may have disastrous results, it shouldn’t be happening quite often.

Also, gimp kills occur less often in 2 vs. 2. A team that works so well should be surviving and killing much more. Well… At least on paper, as you’ve said, sync is important.

I also thought Olimar's grabs would compliment Ike's smashes at one point. Then I realized we are getting gimped to easily. Getting gimped in doubles may be harder but it's still doable. Both Olimar and Ike lack mobility meaning they can't rush to help their partner either. Olimar needs a simple edge hog which is not hard to do cause of ledge invincibility to protect you from the other guy. However, this team can work, its just a tougher learning curve of knowing when to come aid your partner than other teams.

Then again me and my partner were not the that synced, and it was friendlies. You'd be surprise how much we'd gimp each other though.

 

[Guilhe]

This team sure has its flaws, but they complement one another very well. King DeDeDe does fare better with Ike, but that something obvious seeing his position at the tier list.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

Sync is probably bigger than anything else. My partner uses PT and we do great together, we have like 7 team combos that consist of just throws to some special lol. Or maybe PT is the best Ike partner after all that character is based on team work =P

I don't see G&W being a good teammate for Ike.

 

[YagamiLight]

I actually had a great success in a small teams tourney (Nothing big at all, just some competent players from school) with Ike and Pit.

Pit's general nature of avoiding combat and having a ranged projectile, in addition to having fast moves and the ability to easily gimp compliment Ike very well. In addition, he can kill for himself if he needs to with his Fsmash and Bair. His distracting nature allows Ike to capitalize on the enemy. In addition to that, a great Pit will be able to save you if you Aether too far away, actually.

 

[Ussi]

G&W doesn't compliment Ike. G&W is a killer, Ike is a killer. They both tend to get in the way of each other. however, this team kills mad early, and if G&W is actually good and knows how to space and combo, this team will work. G&W is the best teams character for a reason, he can combo, kill, and save people. His only weakness is his weight.

Pit/Ike.... -shutters- they way too many Pit x Ike drawings on devinart ~_~

 

[Joshkip]

i've done the sonic and ike matchup before

it works

sonic does compliment ike well he lures other characters into ikes attacks so that ike has a better chance of hitting.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

it works

But of course how could I have been so blind. Guys I changed my mind sonic is the best partner for Ike.

 

[Ta-kun the Pyro]

i've done the sonic and ike matchup before

it works

sonic does compliment ike well he lures other characters into ikes attacks so that ike has a better chance of hitting.

I always thought that's how a Sonic/Ike team would work, I just never got the chance to try it

 

[Palpi]

That is probably how it works in perfect land with the absence of intelligence, but I am afraid it is a wee bit more complicated than flat out baiting.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Ya, I've been sick the last little while, and didn't feel like doing anything that required thinking. Like typing this up. >_> And I have an SAT test on Saturday........any more arguments?

 

[Joshkip]

But of course how could I have been so blind. Guys I changed my mind sonic is the best partner for Ike.

did i mention your name?.......wait survey says .....no

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

does it matter if you mentioned my name or not?.......wait survey says .....no

 

[•Col•]

Who's acting stupid right now?

Show me Joshkip!!! *points to board* DINGDINGDINGDINGDING! 63 Points.




I still fail to see why anyone would think Sonic would be a good team member. Maybe if team attack was off. *shrugs* :/

 

[Guilhe]

Are we going to discuss any other character?

 

[•Col•]

^What I was wondering.

We've been on Sonic for over 2 weeks now. ;-;

 

[Conclusively]

How long has this same discussion been going? Needs someone better than Sonic pls. Just change it to MK and finish it in less than a day.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

I will be writing the write-up on the weekend after my SAT test. (hate those things). I have a character that I have in mind, but I need to check some things on other sites right now before I put it up.

 

[Gindler]

Believe it or not, Sonic is the ultimate stock tank in teams. Also, with sonic having a set knockback Dthrow that can work well with throwing an opponent into Ike's Fsmash of doom (in theory of course)

 

[Ussi]

Believe it or not, Sonic is the ultimate stock tank in teams. Also, with sonic having a set knockback Dthrow that can work well with throwing an opponent into Ike's Fsmash of doom (in theory of course)

Just about anyone can knock someone into another's move. Just Ike's move always kill What I love most, is killing both people with fsmash. And i've done it alot too

 

[doom dragon 105]

kinser sonic is a horrible character idk what you are saying

Sonic imo is a bad partner for ike, he gets in the way alot and he is too contrasted with ike to even work

Ike slow and strong high knock back

Sonic fast and weak with combo knockback

they hardly work well together

 

[Ussi]

Sonic does a good job running to stop someone from gimping Ike. He can run from the other side of the stage and keep anyone occupied while Ike tried to recover.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

while other people can just shoot them.

 

[Rykoshet]

You've been discussing one partner for over 2 weeks?

 

[HeroMystic]

I've been wanting to ask the same thing...

 

[YagamiLight]

I've realized that Sonic's assistance can be quantified in a mathematical fashion.

Hypothetically:

Ike + Teammate = Two Enemies [This is a fair enough opener since Ike quite well in doubles]

Therefore, we'd assume that:

Ike + Sonic = Two Enemies

However, we know that Sonic brings nothing to the team that anyone else can't do better, making his value essentially zero.

The next statement then is:

Ike + 0 = Two Enemies

But we know that:

Ike =/=Two Enemies

Short story short this ends up with 2 v 1 = Loss for 1 => Sonic as a teammate is a loss for Ike.

Don't bother analyzing it, there's probably 5 trillion fallacies in there. The point is that Sonic is a pretty terrible teammate (And not much better off as a standalone character ).