Why i believe Olimar Beats MK 55:45

[brinboy789]

Well, the thing is, MK's main advantage is when Olimar is offstage. Olimar will never be offstage unless he is approached, broken through, punished multiple times, and then finally pushed off the edge.

Basically, if you count how much of an advantage they have over each other in the situations, MK should win. HOWEVER, MK doesn't get the massive advantage until he can get a good lead on the Olimar. Olimar has a decent advantage UNTIL MK gets a good lead. However, if the Olimar knows the matchup well, he can try to abuse his advantage so MK never gets a good enough lead % wise to translate it into stock-wise advantage.

so its all about momentum, and who dominates the match?

 

[XienZo]

Thats what it'd seem like from just looking at technical stuff.

 

[asob4]

one good dsmash from MK can lead to dair edgeguarding and oli dying

 

[Atomsk_92]

theory fighter brawl is dumb...

 

[Rykoshet]

enough said. and if i'm not mistaken if you are having trouble vsing a person/character the way you play, isn't it the SMART thing to change your playstyle, if only temporarily?

Lol did you really just try to lecture the country's most consistent winner on mindgaming?

 

[bludhoundz]

Onstage isn't the whole fight though.

Maybe onstage Olimar has the advantage.. but it seems as though when he isn't grounded or if he's offstage he's at a disadvantage.

I guess it just depends how good the MK is at breaking through Oli's defense and getting him into the air or offstage.

I still think it's probably fairly equal if anything, I don't see how a character can have an advantage due to that character's ground / combo game only, if the other character plain ***** offstage and has a clear advantage in aerial combat.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Lol did you really just try to lecture the country's most consistent winner on mindgaming?

NO but he is calling m2k out on the fact that he is using anecdotal evidence which doesn't prove anything except that his style of playing against Oli doesn't work effectively.

 

[asob4]

just because you(atomsk) were able to beat inui doesn't mean that olimar can beat MK consistently
it just proves inui doesn't the matchup better than some

 

[TheWii]

I say its 50:50 , 45:55 mks favor if he know the matchup.

 

[Atomsk_92]

ASOB4 i've also beaten m2ks(mk in tourny MATCHES) and many other mks in it

 

[asob4]

they don't know the match up obviously, as the only top oli i've seen up there consistently placing is blackwaltz

camping will not always work, it can and has been overcome.
in theory, yes, perfect camping should work, but that's not how it will always play out.

i can beat any player who doesn't know how to play against an olimar, it's easy. they never know what the fuc i'm doing so i have an automatic advantage. once that match up is learned then it becomes oli's disadvantage (in the case of MK)

MK beats oli, plain and simple. all you need to do is basically hover above the ground with dairs and there's nothing olimar can really do.

or run to a spot dodge to avoid the obvious grab or fsmash from oli then bam free grab from MK capitalizing off of the tiny bit of lag.

this isn't just theory, i have played out these matches and have had these happen to me.
better yet, just ledge camp oli. unknownforce did it to me on norfair. it got me frustrated and i loss (i was "perfect camping" that round)

don't even say i'm just a bad player. i'm one of the top oli's in so cal. i've been lagging tourney wise, but nonetheless i'm still up there

 

[Atomsk_92]

again note your from west coast

different coasts have different play styles

and blackwaltz has been lagging lately as well

 

[asob4]

i suppose

oli's are slightly more common here so that may be why you guys consider him better than MK

we have ~3 over here :D hahahah

also, thanks for the oli support but he isn't gonna have advantage on MK anytime soon. unless we play with brawl+, then we literally will be untouchable

 

[null55]

I've always said Olimar is insanely underrated. I really want to learn him now.

 

[asob4]

he is
but the main reason he isn't winning lots of tournies is MK keeping him down

 

[PKNintendo]

Sorry dude, but Omar just doesn't touch MK. He does come close though...

 

[Master Knight DH]

I honestly think that even if Meta Knight is 55:45 against anybody, he goes lower faster than a lot of other characters in matchups when the opponent is more skilled, slightly or not.

The thing about Meta Knight is, when you know what he can do, he's dead. All those advantages you kill off, you do so by figuring out how to counterattack. If he can't use his attacks to even shake you off, his light weight and high falling speed will guarantee that he won't come back, even with 6 jumps, gliding, and 4 B recoveries to choose between, which will be useless anyway if he already hits the side of the screen.

Now if you'll excuse me, I must find a way to beat Game & Watch to a bloody pulp. Or better yet, fight Pit's ^&*$% arrow spam.

 

[asob4]

there's no way to stop his speed -_-

 

[cutter]

Some lolcalculus:

 

[Dabuz]

all right! stop with the perfect camp stuff, i swear people are getting out of hand with this thing

 

[Ignatious]

It's a simple matter of mind games, as previously stated. If Player A uses Olimar and Player B uses MK, the character match up is assumed to be 50-50 (or it should be, at least). Now, if Player A goes into a tournament, and faces Player B, the match up isn't 50-50, because the characters are not mindlessly fighting each other, the players use mind games. Each and every game that Player A faces an MK he will have quite a strong advantage over the MK, because his mind game ability will almost always surpass that of an opposing MK. Olimars are always working on their mind games, for this particular match up. Always testing it and perfecting it. An Olimar with such training can easily have a 60-40 vs. your average tournament placing MK. Why? Because MK isn't training to out mind game Olimars, they are too worried about Snake, DDD, Falco, etc. Now it is true that some MKs do in fact practice mind games vs. Olimar, but that has its downfalls. First, they have to gamble, they have to decide whether Player A is an Olimar that mind games well, or just your average Olimar. If they decide that Player A is just a casual/competitive player, or get cocky he will take an easy 40% early on. If they decide correctly, then oh well? You lose your advantage and it becomes the 50-50% match up that would have been expected anyway, no big deal.

Just my opinion, anyway.

 

[TheREALShadowChaos]

Another attempt to get Mk unbanned?

Yeah, at least this one is better then saying Jiggs is an Mk counter because Jiggly can Rest Mk for a lot of damage. :-P

 

[Atomsk_92]

No because...
A) MetaKarp doesn't deserve to be banned, people need to stop complaining and learn how to fight him
and
B) i think olimar wins based on the facts i have stated

 

[Rocann]

It's a simple matter of mind games, as previously stated. If Player A uses Olimar and Player B uses MK, the character match up is assumed to be 50-50 (or it should be, at least). Now, if Player A goes into a tournament, and faces Player B, the match up isn't 50-50, because the characters are not mindlessly fighting each other, the players use mind games. Each and every game that Player A faces an MK he will have quite a strong advantage over the MK, because his mind game ability will almost always surpass that of an opposing MK. Olimars are always working on their mind games, for this particular match up. Always testing it and perfecting it. An Olimar with such training can easily have a 60-40 vs. your average tournament placing MK. Why? Because MK isn't training to out mind game Olimars, they are too worried about Snake, DDD, Falco, etc. Now it is true that some MKs do in fact practice mind games vs. Olimar, but that has its downfalls. First, they have to gamble, they have to decide whether Player A is an Olimar that mind games well, or just your average Olimar. If they decide that Player A is just a casual/competitive player, or get cocky he will take an easy 40% early on. If they decide correctly, then oh well? You lose your advantage and it becomes the 50-50% match up that would have been expected anyway, no big deal.

Just my opinion, anyway.

that was stupid, you basically said olimar has the advantage over MK because MKs are dumb players. amount of practice vs another character has no bearing on the actual matchup between the two characters

 

[Ignatious]

that was stupid, you basically said olimar has the advantage over MK because MKs are dumb players. amount of practice vs another character has no bearing on the actual matchup between the two characters

Wrong. I clearly stated that the character match up is (in my opinion) 50-50. However, that 50-50 changes based off of how prepared each player is, and it is much, MUCH, more likely for a player to be prepared for MK than for Olimar.

PS. Flames really are not necessary, if I'm wrong, so what? No need to get defensive about it.

 

[DanGR]

I've got a theory about MK having an infinite _____ on Olimar and maybe a couple other characters. It needs more testing, but if it turns out to be true, Olimar will be rendered unviable in tourney play.

(I'm concealing it for now for obvious reasons)

 

[Dabuz]

I've got a theory about MK having an infinite _____ on Olimar and maybe a couple other characters. It needs more testing, but if it turns out to be true, Olimar will be rendered unviable in tourney play.

(I'm concealing it for now for obvious reasons)

if this is true then i will say mk should be banned lol pm me what infinite your talking about please so i can test it without letting the mks know

 

[XienZo]

Lol, only a few words can fit in the blank. It could be Grab, grab release, lock, combo, tornado, and a few other things. I'm thinking its "John".

 

[Atomsk_92]

Hmm something tells me the INFINENT will be banned before MetaKarp XD

 

[asob4]

nuuuu metakarp needs to be banned
splash attack is tooooo goooood


-i am pro ban btw-

 

[Dabuz]

unless this infinite is true i am against ban

 

[Atomsk_92]

yea i am against banning MK also, but save that **** for the 7 threads about Discussing the thought about Banning MetaKarp

 

[Dabuz]

meta...karp? what is that

 

[Atomsk_92]

MK= MetaKarp

come on man i thought you were Hip

 

[brinboy789]

unless this infinite is true i am against ban

IF the infinite is true, whatever it is, it will probably be banned, as did the IDC.

 

[Dabuz]

i am, but even a hip person like me don't know all the dance steps, you think something that sounds similar but isn't would have some secret meaning to the way you move it

 

[Dotcom]

So I hear Atomsk got hit by a hurricane.
T'was really nasty.

And to all thpeople coming here and saying this is just another reason to not get meta Knight banned. Please cease and desist. This is an explination, and defense of why a person solely belives hat Olimar beats MetaKarp? (i guess it's an atomsk thing.) If you don't beleive so don't troll and throw your 2 cents in, and say something that has most likely already been said.

 

[Blistering Speed]

Hmm something tells me the INFINENT will be banned before MetaKarp XD

Yeah, just like Ness and Lucas against Marth and DDD's against those 5 characters.

...

O wait.

 

[viparagon]

veggis don't really do anything to MK cept purples

 

[ShadowLink84]

If MK has an infinite on someone it won't be banned.
Seriously what stupidity.