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Wofl Q&A/Social
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earla
Smash Lord
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hey does wolf have any really bad matchups and why?
i know about that sheik ftilt thing, goes to around 80%?
also, whats the update on getting someone to get some 100% accurate frame data? probably a good idea to remove any other ones so you don't confuse anyone.
i know about that sheik ftilt thing, goes to around 80%?
also, whats the update on getting someone to get some 100% accurate frame data? probably a good idea to remove any other ones so you don't confuse anyone.
KRDsonic
Smash Master
Dedede, Pikachu, and Wario are his worst matchups. Dedede pretty much shuts down most of Wolf's options, and ***** Wolf offstage. And it's easy for him to get Wolf offstage because of his chain grab (It's also an infinite, but you mash out at low percents because he has to pummel in between Dthrows). Pikachu's chain grab can lead to a 0-death on Wolf, which makes the matchup really touch, but if you can avoid the chain grab then Wolf wins the matchup. I don't know much about the Wario, but from what I've read it's only bad if he knows how to chain grab. I forgot what percent his chain grab starts at, but if he chain grabs you it goes up to a really high percent (don't remember what) and while he's chain grabbing you, his fart is getting charged.
Sheik can be annoying but she's not too bad. Her ftilt lock starts at about 25% and it leads into a tipper Usmash that will kill you. Her Ftilt isn't too hard to avoid though.
Bad MUs:
D3: Smallstep CG, buffered reverse pivotgrab infinite CG, ledge infinite CG, regular CG. Great grab range really skews risk/reward. Also, his bair does work on Wolf too. D3's good at getting us offstage and trapping us on the ledge, it's just... so bad.
Pikachu: Buffered dthrow CG > buffered dash footstool > QAL > finisher. 0-death. His grab range is a lot easier to avoid though. Idk, never played a good Pikachu but aside from the CG Wolf does pretty well.
Wario: Buffered turnaround dthrow CG from like 20% to a really high % where he'll probably kill you with fthrow. I don't think this MU is so bad aside from the grab issue either, and since Wario plays an aerial game most of the time you can join him there where he can't grab you. My view is a bit more optimistic than everyone else's though :/
Sheik: Yeah, ftilt lock is the only thing pushing it in her favor aside from the occasional gimp. I want to see more high-level play of this MU as well tbh.
MK: It's MK... yeah.
Snake: He outranges us and it's a pain in the butt imo. Also kills us earlier than we kill him. Approaching him is difficult, out-camping him is difficult, but both are somewhat doable with intelligent mixups and whatnot I guess.
Diddy: Faster than us overall, better item throwing data. Hyper-offense Diddy does a pretty decent job of overwhelming Wolf, but Wolf still has plenty of options. Also, his fair is gigantic and annoying.
Falco: Meh, this isn't that bad. His main advantages are the CG > spike (tech onstage or don't get grabbed at low %, both viable ways to work around it), jab ****, and laser ****. Frametrapping aerials and whatnot are good too, but not as problematic for Wolf imo.
ROB, Pit, and ICs are more borderline imo, so I won't get into them. Every other MU is even or better. Basically, Wolf loses to the best characters in the game and characters that have CG shenanigans on him
As far as frame data goes, I have no idea :/
D3: Smallstep CG, buffered reverse pivotgrab infinite CG, ledge infinite CG, regular CG. Great grab range really skews risk/reward. Also, his bair does work on Wolf too. D3's good at getting us offstage and trapping us on the ledge, it's just... so bad.
Pikachu: Buffered dthrow CG > buffered dash footstool > QAL > finisher. 0-death. His grab range is a lot easier to avoid though. Idk, never played a good Pikachu but aside from the CG Wolf does pretty well.
Wario: Buffered turnaround dthrow CG from like 20% to a really high % where he'll probably kill you with fthrow. I don't think this MU is so bad aside from the grab issue either, and since Wario plays an aerial game most of the time you can join him there where he can't grab you. My view is a bit more optimistic than everyone else's though :/
Sheik: Yeah, ftilt lock is the only thing pushing it in her favor aside from the occasional gimp. I want to see more high-level play of this MU as well tbh.
MK: It's MK... yeah.
Snake: He outranges us and it's a pain in the butt imo. Also kills us earlier than we kill him. Approaching him is difficult, out-camping him is difficult, but both are somewhat doable with intelligent mixups and whatnot I guess.
Diddy: Faster than us overall, better item throwing data. Hyper-offense Diddy does a pretty decent job of overwhelming Wolf, but Wolf still has plenty of options. Also, his fair is gigantic and annoying.
Falco: Meh, this isn't that bad. His main advantages are the CG > spike (tech onstage or don't get grabbed at low %, both viable ways to work around it), jab ****, and laser ****. Frametrapping aerials and whatnot are good too, but not as problematic for Wolf imo.
ROB, Pit, and ICs are more borderline imo, so I won't get into them. Every other MU is even or better. Basically, Wolf loses to the best characters in the game and characters that have CG shenanigans on him
As far as frame data goes, I have no idea :/
rPSIvysaur
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>like you need a wii to get frame data
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Ishiey, I share your Wario views. :3
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
New shirt:
D
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Yep, I bought that shirt last year. It's amazing because I am a huge coffee fan, too.
tekkie
Smash Master
i could swear i saw that somewhere before; where's it from?
i still kind of just want a shirt with a giant wolf awesome face on it
i still kind of just want a shirt with a giant wolf awesome face on it
D
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It's on that Halolz website.
Kuares
Pizza
So, at the Anime con this weekend there was like 5 Wolf players who entered tournament.
Popular much?
Popular much?
tekkie
Smash Master
only to noobs and closet furries
rPSIvysaur
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turns out anime convention has a lot of those
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Me and Luminoth forgot to play each other at Otakon. Ffffffffffff. We saw the FMA movie though. Was cool.
YOU MAY NEvER HAVE SUCH A CHANCE AGAIN
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
That'd be if I had a chance to play you Chuee~!
Yeah... I saw the results for that. **** was rough, no doubt :/ better luck next time guys <3
Yeah, lmao.
Such a thing may never happen.
KRDsonic
Smash Master
*Looks at list of threads that show up that aren't stickies* ... only 2 threads. I think people really aren't keeping up with their jobs of keeping up with threads :/
castorpollux
Smash Champion
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It's because I'm not in charge of any threads*Looks at list of threads that show up that aren't stickies* ... only 2 threads. I think people really aren't keeping up with their jobs of keeping up with threads :/
Yeah, someone should make a useful thread and stick with it... :x
Idk what'll be going on with the MU threads anymore since the BBR MU project is coming up and that *should* eventually replace the need for MU threads on character boards, btw.
Idk what'll be going on with the MU threads anymore since the BBR MU project is coming up and that *should* eventually replace the need for MU threads on character boards, btw.
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
My desert today:
KRDsonic
Smash Master
If anything, the R.O.B. would be the one stalling. You can easily run up to a Wolf that's just sitting in their reflector. Standing still does not prevent approaching at all. In fact, I need to remember to do that and that I don't have to approach when I have the lead.
castorpollux
Smash Champion
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there's an even better solution to that. what u can do is time the blaster so when he jumps up from the ledge, ur blaster hits him before he can shoot his laser lol.
Zync
Smash Journeyman
Hi guys, people decided to ban norfair and jungle japes from costa rica and nicknamed me the Call of Duty wolf.
Theres also some ****ty discussion on our forums and people want to make Distant planet a counterpick, I know its an horrible stage buuuuuut, if they took norfair and JJ from me, what are my planking and stalling capabilityes of wolf on distant planet
?
I already see that we can Side B from ledge to ledge infinitely
EDIT: That day before receiving that nickname was because I made our best King D3 player ragequit while playing me on norfair, and camped to death our tournament Organizer's ROB on JJ. Am I a bad person for camping D:
Theres also some ****ty discussion on our forums and people want to make Distant planet a counterpick, I know its an horrible stage buuuuuut, if they took norfair and JJ from me, what are my planking and stalling capabilityes of wolf on distant planet
?I already see that we can Side B from ledge to ledge infinitely
EDIT: That day before receiving that nickname was because I made our best King D3 player ragequit while playing me on norfair, and camped to death our tournament Organizer's ROB on JJ. Am I a bad person for camping D:
You didn't see the results for that - the one's posted on SWF are fake. The real ones are like this:Yeah... I saw the results for that. **** was rough, no doubt :/ better luck next time guys <3
1st Mr-R - Marth / Snake
2nd Orion - MK / Falco
3rd Leon - Marth
4th Luigi player - Diddy
5th Crysis - Snake
5th Quiksilver - ZSS / Samus
7th BJay - MK
7th Tay - Snake / ZSS / Diddy
Semifer lost to Tay's Snake in winners round 4 and then had to play BJay right after this because BJay lost in a huge upset to a Toon Link player in like 3rd round.
Regarding my own play I will probably start playing with tap jump and learn to angle my shield with it. Semifer can do OoS options without tap jump perfectly but I just can't get it done. It'll probably be easier for me to learn angling my shield with tap jump than learn OoS options without tap jump. Imma hit the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and try to approach certain things differently - my grab game is supposedly really good.
Orion*
Smash Researcher
you're grabs are good but you're offstage game is awful. I shouldn't be able to gimp you like 6 times lmao.
MegaRobMan
Smash Hero
So...I made a series of negative combo videos and I think all of you w0fl's should watch at least the first one, but watch all of them because it's damn funny.
Wolf-Part 1
Link-Part 2
Ness-part 3
Community-Part 4
You're welcome, video-critique thread.
Wolf-Part 1
Link-Part 2
Ness-part 3
Community-Part 4
You're welcome, video-critique thread.
tekkie
Smash Master
¿Qué?
Smash Champion
MegaRobMan
Smash Hero
Wolf is the best troll character
Luminoth64
Smash Ace
<3 the music selection MRM.
MegaRobMan
Smash Hero
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!
Luminoth64
Smash Ace
WOOHOO! I finally made it as an HM on OH's PR. XD Now to step my game up so I can knock some people off the bottom of the list and move up!