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Smash Master
Please refrain from Discussing Doc's matchups. You have no idea what you're talking about
I agree with you, I'm just pointing out how the community works (aka retardedly).
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I agree with you, I'm just pointing out how the community works (aka retardedly).
lol? Did you miss the part where I said "correct me if I'm wrong".
Seeing how you don't seem to attend tourneys, don't you only use him in friendlies?
Actually, that goes for a lot of people here. The IC mains, some of the Samus mains, DK, etc. lol...
I haven't used DK in a tourney in almost a year, but I know a great deal about this character... if anything, moreso then almost any other player currently playing Melee.
Also, there's good Docs like Bobmoney and M2K who use better characters in tourney and Doc in friendlies...
Seeing how you don't seem to attend tourneys, don't you only use him in friendlies?
Actually, that goes for a lot of people here. The IC mains, some of the Samus mains, DK, etc. lol...I haven't used DK in a tourney in almost a year, but I know a great deal about this character... if anything, moreso then almost any other player currently playing Melee.
Also, there's good Docs like Bobmoney and M2K who use better characters in tourney and Doc in friendlies...
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Smash Master
Um I do use him in tourney, and I've been to like every No Johns this year except for one. Have you dedicated 4+ years to Doc and do you play some of the best players in the country on a weekly basis as him? I didn't think so.lol? Did you miss the part where I said "correct me if I'm wrong".
Seeing how you don't seem to attend tourneys, don't you only use him in friendlies?
Do I need to just to talk about him? I don't think so.
Funny how you're correcting my comment on you as player rather than what I said about Doc lol. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But at least give me to chance to learn as a player and tell me why I'm wrong. This thread is about informing people on matchups right?
Seriously, there's wayyyyy more smashboards users that better worth lashing out at.
Funny how you're correcting my comment on you as player rather than what I said about Doc lol. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But at least give me to chance to learn as a player and tell me why I'm wrong. This thread is about informing people on matchups right?
Seriously, there's wayyyyy more smashboards users that better worth lashing out at.
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Smash Master
If you feel that way then why even bother calling me out on my credentials? I'm just saying, it's posts like "oh, I've only used Doc in friendlies, but my opinion is xyz" that kill me, and they are rampant throughout this entire thread (not just applying to Doc, but with EVERYTHING).
I can do a write up of Doc v. Marth later, I'm a lil busy now.
Niko45
Smash Master
Doc is the perfect combo weight? Marth says hi.
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Smash Master
Niko or Yedi or someone should do a write up of the Doc v. marth matchup cause I'm lazy and don't feel like writing an essay at work.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0ID6naTAlU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nCX-PhAYXM
best character.
all MU are >>> in Docs favor.
(Jona toooooooooo good)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nCX-PhAYXM
best character.
all MU are >>> in Docs favor.
(Jona toooooooooo good)
yur wrong
edit: yo w/e it's def like falcon >>>>>>>>> doc
edit2: fox/falco may seem even or slight advantage for the spacy. but i just don't see any doc beating a fox/falco that properly camps. but since there isn't really proof of this, I guess just a < would be fine
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Smash Master
Everytime I play with Jona I make every character look god tier. You should see my ness. Reneblade even thought that I was m2k when jona got ***** by Marth lol.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
i knew it wasnt m2k, but i went along with it. you were lookin hella sexy though, i wont deny that.
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Smash Master
I figured as much, my Marth is mad good tho
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Nope, Peach > Doc. There's no wayy Doc goes even with Peach. Unless Peach is letting Doc land laggy f-airs, she's living to 150%. All Peach has to do is move around and spam attacks. Can't realistically gimp her either.
Doc's grab on a Fox is not equivalent to a Jiggs grab on Fox. If Fox has to not DI at all to get re-grabbed at 0-10%. Doc's upthrow chaingrab is gauranteed from 20%-60% as long as Doc follows Fox's DI. After that, Fox can jump out. If Doc decides to throw Fox off stage after the chaingrab, Doc still has to edgeguard Fox.
Doc has to work kinda hard to ever get any grabs on Fox. How's Doc actually supposed to grab a Fox that actually moves around the whole time. Fox beats Doc in attack priority, running speed, falling speed, jumping height, and grab range. Doc is too susceptible to being camped/baited again and again by Fox. Doc has to respect whatever game Fox decides to play. Fox doesn't have to think as much as Doc in the match up. Fox just has to move around and shine everytime.
What attack does Doc have that OUTPRIORITIZES Falcon's approach?!? I must know.
Otherwise, I'm callin' bull**** on Falcon having a terrible approach on Doc all night long. Even Falcon dashdance is a **** approach on Doc.I have know idea why HungryBox hates this matchup, he does just fine against every Doc player I've ever seen/heard of (myself included).
And yeah Sheik ***** Doc, I still vote Sheik >> Doc.
Well OTG, I'm sure you'll be well-known as one of the best, if not the "best Doc" soon enough. I can't wait for this Marth vs. Doc write up.
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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Eh, maybe I'm just full of bologna ~_~
Eh, maybe I'm just full of bologna ~_~
Magus420
Smash Master
The u-throw CG works fine at 0% regardless of DI. It also ends beyond when the d-throw chain starts working, though the d-throw CG is really really hard at that percent.
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Smash Master
Ricky, I gave you a ****ing huge wall of text over AIM about that matchup, what else do you need to know? The whole time when I was giving you advice you weren't listening at all and just kept saying "but I get *****, *****, *****" and clearly didn't listen to a god**** word I said.
Yes, Falcons DD games is good, but if all he's going to do is run away the whole time and DD, pills actually have some use. Now if he is actually approaching you with aerials and stuff, you're best bet is try to and beat it out or just gtfo of the way, pills are useless there. As for what moves doc has that outprioritize anyone, you're looking at like dair/bair/utilt/ftilt/nair (but only oos for nair).
And also, definitely NOT Roy = Doc. Roy is the perfect combo weight, gets CC *****, has the worst recovery in the game and get's CGed. I don't give a **** if you have disjointed hitbox's, once Doc gets in it's a wrap.
Yes, Falcons DD games is good, but if all he's going to do is run away the whole time and DD, pills actually have some use. Now if he is actually approaching you with aerials and stuff, you're best bet is try to and beat it out or just gtfo of the way, pills are useless there. As for what moves doc has that outprioritize anyone, you're looking at like dair/bair/utilt/ftilt/nair (but only oos for nair).
And also, definitely NOT Roy = Doc. Roy is the perfect combo weight, gets CC *****, has the worst recovery in the game and get's CGed. I don't give a **** if you have disjointed hitbox's, once Doc gets in it's a wrap.
Winston
Smash Master
Does that apply to Mario as well?
Ok, Marth isn't the worst matchup.
So spacies/sheik are worst then Marth?
*** yu pills have no use ever
**** double ninja.
and yes, i think spacies and falcon are his worst match up. sheik is not as bad as those 3 but worse then marth
**** double ninja.
and yes, i think spacies and falcon are his worst match up. sheik is not as bad as those 3 but worse then marth
VGmasta
Smash Lord
That's why Falcon is suppose to space his n-airs vs Doc. Doc only has like one or two legitmate ways around spaced Falcon n-airs, one of them being a spaced cape.
Falon's d-air kinda hits below yeah - right on top of Doc's up-tilt, dsmash, grab and all that the things Doc has to land to even stand a chance vs. Falcon. And that d-air you're talking about leads to a guaranteed n-air at low percents, knees and up-airs at higher percents all day.
And what did you mean by b-airs go backwards? It is a "back" air, and it's supposed to hit behind Falcon.
EDITED: I already posted, I ain't erasing because you erased, lol.
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Smash Master
Yedi, pills do have a use, you're just terrible with them.
Yes it does.
I think it's Falco then Sheik, then probably Falcon.
Alot of this is wrong, you can CC grab his nair, or utilt him out of it, or usmash oos (or anything oos for that matter) or cape it (which you mentioned), or CC to anything, or just move the **** out of the way. If you think that in today's day and age "_____" spam wins a matchup, you're the one that's having the problem, it has nothign to do with the character.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
clearly you have not been watching the videos i linked.
Doc >>> Falcon
honestly though, i have no idea on this MU, i dislike playing against doc but i dont think he has the advantage either.
Doc >>> Falcon
honestly though, i have no idea on this MU, i dislike playing against doc but i dont think he has the advantage either.
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Magus420
Smash Master
Nah. Mario's u-throw CG lasts a little bit longer but the d-throw starts much later (his has 3/4 the growth of Doc's), so while Mario's u-throw CG is a little better I'm pretty sure there's no direct overlap for u-throw->d-throw (except maybe Falco).
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
lol he's staying far away from this thread
VGmasta
Smash Lord
I never said anything about spamming winning a matchup. But I doubt Doc is gonna be landing anything OoS if Falcon spaces and baits all the time. And Falcon doesn't have that hard of a time baiting Doc. Yeah, I know all about the pills usage. Falcon n-airs through 'em or knees right over it.
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Smash Master
**** that is news to me. Very cool stuff here.
VGmasta
Smash Lord
I could be wrong, but I'm not convinced. I've seen spacies DI wayy too far behind Doc to get regrabbed at 0%.
Niko45
Smash Master
From neutral position most all characters can shut down pills and pill approaches. But once you actually gain some leverage on them, pills start ****in ****** people. Try pill approaching when ur forcing a tech or off a missed tech, or just any time you get them generally out of position. In these situations it can force a shield for a grab, or open up major combos.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
and unknown didn't even camp that hard
Magus420
Smash Master
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
i wish i had my own personal magus.
ihavespaceblondes
Smash Master
Get gif-canceled.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
@macman
he camped pretty intensely imo.
camping isnt all about shooting lasers. he spent about 70% of his time on the platforms where HMW simply couldnt reach him.
the games were never really that close, and waffles landed only 2 grabs the entire set, both games going over 5 minutes in duration, neither grab leading to anything.
i hate it when people see fox's gettign grab comboed to death in combo vids and think its so automatic.
fox>>doc
he camped pretty intensely imo.
camping isnt all about shooting lasers. he spent about 70% of his time on the platforms where HMW simply couldnt reach him.
the games were never really that close, and waffles landed only 2 grabs the entire set, both games going over 5 minutes in duration, neither grab leading to anything.
i hate it when people see fox's gettign grab comboed to death in combo vids and think its so automatic.
fox>>doc
i know
but he also commited to aerials that weren't guaranteed and put himself in unnecessary risk some of the time.
regardless, you presented some evidence to back up my point =D
JPOBS
Smash Hero
yea im not disagreeing with you, we're definitely on the same page here.
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Smash Master
I'm on board with this. I've seen this argument before and I'm not opposed to Fox >> Doc, but I'm just curious why this strategy doesn't apply to characters above Doc? I'm also not entirely convinced that one tournament set can be your entire basis for a matchup, there are countless vids of these guys beating tons of top spacies and I'm sure they were getting camped mad homo like. Regardless, I'm still not opposed to Fox >> Doc, I just think it needs more analysis.
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