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Time Travelers - Town wins! Time travel mechanics rarely used!
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Kawaii Kangaroo
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It's sad, but I laughed at this quite a lot and it feels somewhat flattering. Not to inflate your ego or anything even more duder.
I'm just staring at this and am like "huh?" Because I should know better than to have you as a scum-suspect? That's your reasoning for KKscum?
Reyth, point out where I said I saw DeGrey trying to set him up for a ML. Saying something like that as "easy to do" is utterly laughable because the only time you can lynch him easily is mod-confirmed info that he is scum and nothing short of it, js.
I want you to back up this claim to where I was saying I would pushing DeGrey because he was trying to ML Nichy-boy.
How is this even a good question/relevant like at all?
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skimmed the last page, why are you talking about who Ran's character is, and what it's wearing? If it's a safeclaim, it could very easily be described in detail in his role PM. Right?
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Have you realized that this is wrong, yet?
Nicholas1024
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That... wasn't a compliment.
I don't care for the "He's agreed with me, so he's town" stuff. Sure, it's nice to see a player that thinks logically, but I prefer to look at the reasoning for the reads rather than the reads themselves.
Let me get this straight. You basically looked at the case, saw it was on a town read, and ignored it because I'm the one that posted it? You forever lose all right to call yourself a good player. The source of an argument shouldn't matter in any evaluation of the argument itself. (And by the way, I haven't skimmed this game at all. It's completely possible to stay caught up, I've done it and occasionally ISO'd players to boot.)
And you're not one to talk for moronic intros.
Yes and no. I don't think you wanted to set me up as a lynch D1, I think you wanted to paint me as a bad player, dumb or scum. What I don't know is whether that's because you're scum or because of your ego taking offense to me suspecting you and doing things you disagree with. I made some mistakes in the early game, but I've battled back. I have no clue regarding anyone being indy at this point, and as a rule I don't engage in those things unless all mafia are dead. Zen is not scummy for calling you scum, in fact I fully sympathize, though I'm not sure I agree at this point. I really don't know why you'd single Ran's role out as the possible target, almost every character in every media has a villain that would love to kill them. If we knew that you were telling the truth and that Ran's role was the target, then I'd just say to go forwards, lynch scum D1, and let N1 happen. Since the role can bypass protection, I'd just hope there's a town bus driver of some sort that could switch Ran with a scum read, as there's not really much else we could do without engaging in mass role speculation (a bad idea).
I prefer the quotes added, it makes it easier for me to refer back to and know "Okay, he was answering THESE questions with that post" than having to go and dig back through the thread to put it into context.
I really don't care. All I need to do is find scum and get enough votes to lynch them. I can afford letting your vote go.
I'm not voting KK unless I think he's scum, and nothing anyone has posted has persuaded me in that regard.
Give it to me post game, we don't need more wifom or thread derailment. (Besides, I'd like to yell back at you, and I've got more important things to do so long as the game is running.)
@Swiss
I've ISO'd video games, and I'd have to agree. Although the former case of him bandwagoning doesn't apply, at this point the Nabe case more or less applies to his slot as well! Although he's asked plenty of questions and commented stuff here or there, he doesn't tell you that much about his reads (although he's markedly better on that count than Nabe), and he doesn't try to push his scum reads to a lynch.
So, although Nabe would still be my first lynch choice, I'd support a video lynch as well.
July
Smash Apprentice
No no, I'm well aware Ryker is more complicated than that. But there was definite scum motivation behind how he treated Nich, and there was absolutely a give/take between make him look town and inferring he was town and then casting suspicion and doubt on him. I don't think it was a straight forward plan to get Nich lynched but I do believe that he wanted to keep suspicion around him for an easy lynch down the line.
Honestly I haven't seen you talk much this game about KK until just now when some of the more experienced players have brought him into question :-/ did you think his case on T-Block was genuine?
KK brought up a lot of good points in there T-Block case and I've actually seen them trying to get reads and scumhunting, as with the interactions with Zen.
I didn't see KK attack a "town" voting block, I saw KK express concern over a voting block that contains some of their scum or null reads. I think that's a perfectly legitimate reason to question a voting block and is in line with KK's play style so far.
5. I only liked this part "I don't think FoS's/HoS's are really neccessary unless you are already voting and you want to vote another, but you only have one vote so you committ to your scum reads and use it."
The rest was unnecessary and I disliked the rest of it because it seemed like above and beyond for such a simple question that really didn't produce much in the way of scumhunting.
6. I wish that second line wasn't true :-/
His claim was instinctual, and the exaggeration doesn't surprise me all that much, its the angst and determination behind it. It's really hard for me to describe, but I could just see the wheels turning in his head as the whole thing unfolded and none of it surprised me. And all in all this claim was only a minor part of reading Ran, I've had my eye on him like a hawk all game reading him and I disagree that he's playing differently, which I've seen a couple people say. He's deff playing a little more like he does on mafiascum and bringing that here but its town Ran I'm seeing.
I agree that NO case has been made on KK and that most people with KK on their scum list really didn't know why or just had a bad feeling about him (like Reyth states) until recently. Swiss has come the closest to a case on him and nothing he showed came across as distinctly scummy to me, so the KK wagon is just aggravating. It's really starting to get on my nerves that my two strongest town reads have been getting beating up while my strongest scum read is feeling so little pressure.
I have no idea wth you are trying to get at here, but its not logically sound. Time travel I know is a part of the old Star Trek, I never saw the new Star Trek but nothing about his character being from the old Star Trek means its fake.
The fact that you are taunting KK instead of making a case against them or even asking them questions is pretty much the most worthless thing you could do right now. And KK will not be lynched toDay, KK has actually been trying and giving there reads and I will not stand to have my strongest town read next to Ran lynched.
Not at all.
What does this bolded line mean? I think that KK has been genuine with their pushes and scumhunting independent of popular wagons/opinions, so if I am reading that correctly...you're wrong.
Next line is scummy as hell, why isn't KK allowed to suspect you when you even admitted that there were scummy things about you?
Yeah, it's totally not that he's scum and has played a ridiculously scummy game full of manipulation. It's easy to do?? Really, because if I didn't believe Ryker was scum I sure as hell wouldn't be pushing him, he's definitely a player that I want alive if he's town and that is intensely dangerous and hard to lynch as scum. Please don't undermine my read and my case as a "set-up" and "easy to do".
You are right, its much simpler to conclude that, but it's not the correct conclusion to come to looking at his motivations. His motivations are scummy, I see scummy motivation there and I will not just settle with "oh, I guess I just misread and misunderstood everything about him".
1) Not that I know of, I remember having a discussion with my friend about Star Trek and Ran looked hella bored the entire time and had no input on the topic.
2) He never mentioned it to me, and yes he's a movie fan but things like Crash, Inception, Lord of the Rings (not Paranormal Activity ;-
, I've never seen him watch anything science fiction. 3) I don't think so, we weren't dating yet when it came out but deff not his type of movie.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
A catchup, collapsed for length.
@J, it was X1 as the second Flush vote, not Cello. Cello died N3 and was quite obviously my biggest town read. That said, I should've put him on there to get you lynched. You weren't confirmed at all; regardless, you were a liability with 3 mod votes and I wanted you gone asap.
@Nich, I hope I'm not being compared to Ran in 1482, that's gross.
Where the hell is SK?
Are any of Reyth, Nich and I town reads at the point of this post? Pretty sure you were skimming at this point. Was Ran townread already?
Bad play here that you were playing inactive and throwing gambits. If you're town, you should know better coming off of Touhou.
Swiss, is your KK reasoning similar to Ryker's?
FYI I felt the same when I first played with J.
@J, it was X1 as the second Flush vote, not Cello. Cello died N3 and was quite obviously my biggest town read. That said, I should've put him on there to get you lynched. You weren't confirmed at all; regardless, you were a liability with 3 mod votes and I wanted you gone asap.
@Nich, I hope I'm not being compared to Ran in 1482, that's gross.
Watery read, strongly disliking this. Does your slot develop a better Ran read in the next few pages?
Where the hell is SK?
Already said this but I have to reiterate how dumb this is.
You wrote a case that was a PBP in entirety. You reread every post I wrote. And now you're saying that you read again and figured out you were wrong in your first reread about the reason why I'm scummy to you, but now I'm scummy for a slightly different reason.
Re: the bolded, you still haven't pointed out any of my reasoning that you felt was lacking or missing, or asked me for reasoning on any read at all, but you insist that you've seen the situation from all sides. Re: SK and T-block, it was only when Kat came around that they remedied their play at all. I'd comment on SK's current reads as well but they're not here and posting for me to ask it of them. I have SK as a scum read, that's where that road led and continues to lead.
I was satisfied with your response and moved elsewhere. If I had asked you another question of it, I'm sure you'd be saying instead that I ask too many questions.
This is a good appraisal. The specifics of the situation are different; here, it was a cop gambit. On MS it was a vig gambit, and we've already seen that happen to Ran here, in RE4 where it scared the princess claim out of him. Cop gambit is different, it's not a threat of immediate death without time to get your information out. His reaction is null, townRan and scumRan would both freak out at that cop claim.
It's fair enough. You could push any one of those lynches through if you were actively posting. No more than one with this player list though.
Are any of Reyth, Nich and I town reads at the point of this post? Pretty sure you were skimming at this point. Was Ran townread already?
Ask me a better question.
Today's the first time I've read the game since my last big post. I haven't dropped anything.
Why would it have to be 2009 Kirk in this game?
You were obvtown to town, particularly Gheb. I thought you were indy most of the game and when you started suggesting that you'd lynch Ryu over me or RadFic, that was baffling.
Bad play here that you were playing inactive and throwing gambits. If you're town, you should know better coming off of Touhou.
Swiss, is your KK reasoning similar to Ryker's?
I thought Ran was saying something about how he liked old Star Trek, but I guess he was talking about liking his role picture and looking at it often. Which is pretty hilarious to think about.
His motive in asking this question isn't obvious to you given the discussion he's been having with Ran?
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Nich, stop trying to get me to ignore you again.
@July: Hi, I read your post.
@July: Hi, I read your post.
Kawaii Kangaroo
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And now you've come to love/understand me. =3
You did get your way and did get me out of the game. ~.~ Still meh that game.Nabe said:
No I get why he is asking but why does it matter? Flavour speculation isn't a good route to go and why is he asking July even though she is dating the dude...?Nabe said:
July
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That's good, any thoughts, or still ignoring me?
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Both! : D
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Nicholas1024
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Nabe, let me ask you, why haven't you volunteered said info, your reads with reasons? A normal townie would try to get their scum reads lynched, or keep their town reads from being lynched, you haven't done any of that. My first ISO was mainly focused on your safe play, I'd forgotten exactly what questions you asked (considering how much other stuff has gone on). When T-block mentioned Ran's pointless questioning as scummy, I went back again to take another look, and then I realized that that wasn't a valid point I could push on you. The original case still stands, however.
Anyway, if you want to blow up the case against you, there's only one simple thing you need to do.
Aside from your case against me (I've pointed out why it doesn't fit elsewhere), just go back and quote a strong scum read that you've given reasoning for, and actually tried to get lynched. Basically, showcase your drive to find and lynch scum. The vast majority of the players have done something like that, so now it's your turn.
@Swiss
By the way, you are going to go back and read the posts you skimmed, right?
Anyway, if you want to blow up the case against you, there's only one simple thing you need to do.
Aside from your case against me (I've pointed out why it doesn't fit elsewhere), just go back and quote a strong scum read that you've given reasoning for, and actually tried to get lynched. Basically, showcase your drive to find and lynch scum. The vast majority of the players have done something like that, so now it's your turn.
@Swiss
By the way, you are going to go back and read the posts you skimmed, right?
Kawaii Kangaroo
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@Mod/Players:
J said:
Swiss
Smash Lord
As is my standard in LyLo, I'll re-read all the thread then.
@July: I wouldn't say time travel is part of the old Star Trek at all. ONE episode that I remember dealt with time travel to the '50s on Earth. That's ONE episode whereas the ENTIRE 2009 movie was about time travel -- see what I'm saying here?
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Ran answer me ASAP please. Is there anything in your role PM about when your ability might not work?
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Also Ran, your Bold Leadership ability is used at Night, correct?
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Zen: Do you know if Ran was already viewing the thread when you fakeclaimed at him? There was 23 minutes between you claiming guilty and him responding
@July: If Ran was reading but still took 23 mins to reply, would that in any way change where you stand on Ran?
@July: If Ran was reading but still took 23 mins to reply, would that in any way change where you stand on Ran?
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July: What is your read on Nabe and Us? If you gave explanation somewhere else I'll find it in my read through, if not give me some brief reasons now please
Xivii
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He came on a few minutes after.
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If Ran was town why would he panic or get annoyed? If scum actually fakeclaimed guilty on a town that's just a townlynch for a scumlynch. Thats a good thing. Whereas if scum had a guilty fakeclaimed on them it does actually make sense for them to panic
@Ran: What do you think about the above?
@Ran: What do you think about the above?
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Is Ran close to a lynch?
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oh we're already on his wagon. Nvm.
Big post on its way
Big post on its way
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ngl Zen, if you actually knew that Ran waited 20 mins to reply angrily - why the hell didn't you mention it???
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Also Zen, during the fake cop claim, why were you saying you shouldn't be vigged on a Ran-town flip? Why do you even care - The realism of the claim wouldn't have been lost because if you were actually cop you'd be confident in your read and not care about if he flips town? Were you ever planning on keeping up the claim?
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I don't remember it being that long. I might have been posting in other games and didn't notice. All I remember is that July was there for a bit, and then I noticed Ran came in a few minutes after. Also I don't literally mean a few as in 3. A few as in maybe 5-10.
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I dunno I guess. If I didn't see anything town from him, I probably would have kept with the gambit until he was lynched. I think his claim gave me doubt though.
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Xivii
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Of course I didn't think Reyth was scum. I wanted him to shut up.
Xivii
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Interesting. Why did you feel the need to say this?Nich said:
Xivii
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http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13065130&postcount=414
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Swiss what happened here?Swiss Same Post said:
Nicholas1024
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Mad Defensive from Free-Block
@Nich: Nabe plays reservedly as town too.
@Reyth: I know you've got the hots for us but just cause Ran attacks us doesn't mean he's scum
@July: why during early game did you take 3 walls to respond to a simple accusation from Ran?
@SoupKat: Why the enormous johns in #540?
@July: Do MS games use QTs for scummates to communicate?
[collapse=Player Reads]1. T-block - Null. Don't like crazy defensiveness as shown above, don't remember much from them.
2. Raziek/Ryker (Degrey) - Don't like. Ryker if you didn't want Nich to be MLed or forced to claim, why didn't you just play the game and then when you thought you found scum pushed their lynch harder than anyone else is pushing the Nich Lynch? Don't like atm. Claim I'm unsure about. I don't like Ryker saying he had to wait for Raz before he claimed, since when did Ryker care? Was Raz gonna contradict him? If he did would he listen? I get the feeling more that Ryker wanted Raz online to chat on skype at the same time so Raz wouldn't accidentally gambit break if he posted without reading. Regarding the claim exactly, I don't like it. It spreads a bit of FUD, is really safe move for scum to do (ie, you're not gonna get CCd) and is very hard to confirm/disprove. Do not like what I would consider enormous FUD from DeGrey in #564
3. Kataefi/Soupamario (SoupaKatamari) hmm. Mild Dislike - Some of the stuff from this slot did look very genuine such as when Soup basically cracked from Reyth, but there's a fair amount I dislike. Kata normally shows me amazing paragraphs full of scumhuntilicious stuff like I saw in Discworld, but here I see very litte! There's one good un at the end of #623 but hardly enough to convince me that they're town. Not much else to say, want more from kat side, like I said about a week ago
5. Nabe - Feel pretty good about atm, not as sold on the idea as t'other head but pretty confident in the town read I think
6. July - You seem to generate so many unecessary walls, some of which appeared very defensive. You're on mine/acid dough's list of people to look into/ISO. Don't really like your defence of Ran, also will probably have a more pronounced read once I get my questions answered. Your #397 is good though imo
7. Prehistoric Laundry Sex Dance (Laundry/Kuz) - No read
8. Kawaii Kangaroo (Vandy/J) - Think their push on us is grimy as hell, there was a whole case where I was getting attacked for my post being odd, which sounds a whole bunch like reaching to me. Several times they also couldn't decide if they don't like us? Sometimes J didn't push because vandy disagreed on us, yet later just pushes anyway? Not too happy with them, equally not high up my scum list.
9. Zen - Fine with atm. Cop fakeclaim was smart. Non-presence earlier sucks but means nothing to me atm. Still want stuff from him obviously.
10. Ranmaru - Don't like. At all. Why was he so panicked when Zen claimed that guilty? He should have seen it as a win, his ML for a scum lynch. Only scum have reason to be panicked in that situation. His delay between seeing the thing and answering also makes me think its fake. I also get the feel that his typical "ranmaru-ness" is forced, particularly some of his questions which are so much more aimless than Ran has been in other games. There was a string of just "Players A & B: Comment on players X, Y, Z" which was so horrible. I would suspect that he's been told by a scummate to just say stuff like that to make him look like his town meta.
11. Reyth - Town. Doesn't need any more explanation.
12. Swiss - Don't really like, I'm pretty sure he has a tendency to get through games just with disarming jokes and the ability to be not put on any scum lists by instead being on "lol swiss is just swiss" lists. I'm aware he asked for a real read on himself from someone (Kat or Kanga iirc) but seems a bit like a token effort tbh. If it was Kat (I'll check later) I can imagine him actually caring about what Kat says, but if it was Kang then why would he even ask? Despite all I just said I'm not convinced about this read because in this game he has given some good stuff, which had I seen more from I'd like him, and its possible he is actually just getting ***** by the amount of posts like everyone else.
13. Nicholas1024 - Town, butthurt and tunnelly. Very confident in this[/collapse]Right, also incase anyone's worrying about this whole Vote bloc thing, well basically T-block's a nono, Reyth can come in. Nabe maybe but I'll think about it. We're voting Ranmaru atm - its a good direction
Xivii
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And why is it necessary to stop that?
Nicholas1024
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