KingKong_ad
Smash Ace
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I have a couple of video of me I kept to do a combo video... If you wish to have them but I dont have a lot tough
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Inferno's Decarde, The Bowser Video & Critique Thread
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Calm_Animal
Smash Cadet
Hey I need some advice. How would be able to play against diddy kong? I had a tournament yesterday and got 10th place. First match i lost to Neon DK, but i almost won against him both matches were rlly close, he said he going to upload those matches of us playing. Second was Marth player and i won against him. then i got to this Diddy kong player i got two stock by him couldn't rlly find a way to get in on him.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
I think the Klaw Floating is pretty useful against the banana peels. I've seen Limit use it well against a Diddy Kong. I've never tried it, though.
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Don't approach if he has a banana in hand and one in front of him. That's when Diddy has the most potential to banana lock/combo you.
Z catch his bananas. It helps a LOT.
If the Diddy likes to side B you when he's on the ledge, pivot grab him.
If you press down when you Klaw Hop on a banana, Bowser grabs it. Pretty handy.
Z catch his bananas. It helps a LOT.
If the Diddy likes to side B you when he's on the ledge, pivot grab him.
If you press down when you Klaw Hop on a banana, Bowser grabs it. Pretty handy.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
-Wrong thread. Just woke up johns.-
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS8itcn19_E
so far the only video of me uploaded from a low tier bracket against holy's mario. this was game 3 (i think?), the other game(s) were played on a different setup and may or may not be uploaded
p.s. mario is kinda annoying
so far the only video of me uploaded from a low tier bracket against holy's mario. this was game 3 (i think?), the other game(s) were played on a different setup and may or may not be uploaded
p.s. mario is kinda annoying
Calm_Animal
Smash Cadet
Ok thx zig and sweii for that advice. It really helped. I was playing against my friend diddy kong beat it two stocks ,but his isn't a high level diddy kong so it's not that hard...
Neon!
Smash Lord
Here's our matches Calm, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR98OETKJbs&feature=youtu.beHey I need some advice. How would be able to play against diddy kong? I had a tournament yesterday and got 10th place. First match i lost to Neon DK, but i almost won against him both matches were rlly close, he said he going to upload those matches of us playing. Second was Marth player and i won against him. then i got to this Diddy kong player i got two stock by him couldn't rlly find a way to get in on him.
Your use of fair and side-b is on point but you need to realize that they both lose to DK's bair. You should try mixing in grounded up-b as a punish or poke to mess up DK's bair spacing.
At 1:45 you got impatient because you couldnt grab release-jab me (DK's one of the few characters that doesnt work on) and you ended up taking 60% from running into my up-b and fsmash) Work on being patient and using up-b more often, your bowser is great and I'd love to see you take some names soon.
Also shout out to Zigsta, we need to play again sometime.
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
We'll have to play at WHOBO, Neon.
Calm_Animal
Smash Cadet
Hey thx Neon. Next time we meet im going to get that win.
Next time we meet im going to get that win.
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Calm, you're fairing way too much. Your default punish seems to be fair, and it shouldn't be. You need to use more of Bowser's ground game, namely jab and Fortress.
Also remember when you airdodge that you don't have to go straight down--you can go to the side to avoid upsmashes.
Also remember when you airdodge that you don't have to go straight down--you can go to the side to avoid upsmashes.
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Deleted member 189823
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Bowser-DK
DK kinda scares me with his tremendous killing power and advantages over Bowser (KO power, range, speed).
DK kinda scares me with his tremendous killing power and advantages over Bowser (KO power, range, speed).
Calm_Animal
Smash Cadet
Yea i kind of noticed after playing my friends alot, but it a bad habit to use his f-air, when i move in. Now I'm starting to work on bowser ground game, and the side dodging thing is i didnt know i move straight down i try to move to the side while fastfalling, but i guess since im fastfalling im not rlly going anywhere with my side dodges i guess... Yea thx zigsta i will keep this in mind.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
You should replace those short hopped F-Airs with Side Bs. If you miss and he's next to you, F-Tilt. If the F-Tilt also misses and he approaches you go for D-Tilt, unless you're saving it for the kill.
Calm_Animal
Smash Cadet
Yea i was saving D-tilt for my kills most of the time but i do use the side b to forward tilt if i missed.
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
I don't recommend saving any moves for kills except out of GR. Bowser has plenty kill potential. If a move helps you, use it.
Calm_Animal
Smash Cadet
i see...I'll just keep working on bowser. oh what are some good way to approach ppl with bowser? I move in with fire breath, or side-B. oh and up-B
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
It depends on the character, really. Got any particular ones in mind?
Calm_Animal
Smash Cadet
let's see fox, falco, olimar,toon link,snake,and marth.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
Side B is the best option. Although when it's against MK, I just wait for him to come and Up-B OoS. (I find it hard to Aerial Klaw him due to his F-Air)
Uncle
Novus Ordo Seclorum
Don't forget about walking/dashing while shielding/powershielding when needed to get close to your opponent. It's simple, yet effective, and it especially helps when you're trying to get through............Falco's lasers, for example.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
Yeah, I saw Acid uses that when approaching. :v
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Deleted member 189823
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This is a rather recent video of my latest Bowser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76A9VuLr_zA&feature=youtu.be
Guys. :v
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76A9VuLr_zA&feature=youtu.be
Guys. :v
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
One thing I noticed in the first minute:
You crossed the Peach up just by jumping, and you didn't capitalize on it by using Klaw. You just jumped away or airdodged. You have to pay more attention to situations like that.
:14 and :17 are good examples of what I'm talking about.
You crossed the Peach up just by jumping, and you didn't capitalize on it by using Klaw. You just jumped away or airdodged. You have to pay more attention to situations like that.
:14 and :17 are good examples of what I'm talking about.
I don't see why you'd stale dtilt when ftilt has a similar application outside of koing.I don't recommend saving any moves for kills except out of GR. Bowser has plenty kill potential. If a move helps you, use it.
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B!squick
Smash Master
That Ganon.... I only counted one SideB and I saw many moments where he should have UAir'd. Honestly, that match was closer than it should have been, dude. I'd talk about what you did but I have to leave in a few and there's people more qualified than me to talk about that sort of thing anyway.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
I'm curious as to what you think of that Ganondorf.
Gado is the best player in my region, it seems.
Gado is the best player in my region, it seems.
B!squick
Smash Master
No disrespect, but I don't think that says much for your region, lol.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
Kind of, yeah. But Ganondorf is not his best character...Snake is. He uses him pretty well.No disrespect, but I don't think that says much for your region, lol.
B!squick
Smash Master
Okay, I'm less shocked now. I also don't think he used DTilt at all. Between that, UAir and SideB, Bowser can have a hella time and there's not much you can do about it.
Sideb is only a problem if Bowser is committing to laggy moves. Otherwise it's avoidable on reaction.
Our sideb beats his, and you can just sh it outside of his range and you'll beat any attack of his if he decides to challenge it except maybe dash attack , but sh fire breath shuts that down. Sh fire breath shuts down nearly everything he does because his poor mobility doesn't allow him to get over it easily. Even then, his moves are too laggy to attack from above or pressure shields.
He also can't do anything to your shield because his moves are too laggy to pressure shields, his grab range is poor, and sideb can be spotdodged on reaction (not sure if fortress beats sideb).
His best moves are uair, dash attack and pivot, and bowser can safely avoid/shut down all of those.
Our sideb beats his, and you can just sh it outside of his range and you'll beat any attack of his if he decides to challenge it except maybe dash attack , but sh fire breath shuts that down. Sh fire breath shuts down nearly everything he does because his poor mobility doesn't allow him to get over it easily. Even then, his moves are too laggy to attack from above or pressure shields.
He also can't do anything to your shield because his moves are too laggy to pressure shields, his grab range is poor, and sideb can be spotdodged on reaction (not sure if fortress beats sideb).
His best moves are uair, dash attack and pivot, and bowser can safely avoid/shut down all of those.
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Deleted member 189823
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Here's a video of the two best of my region:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DFcLNPCKCg
Don't dwell too much on it, though. It's outdated. Just to give you an idea that we aren't terribad.
On topic, I would like a critique on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76A9V...ature=youtu.be
Bowser vs. Peach
Limit critique'd it a bit, but I would like more detail, please.
This other one, if you want:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZZVoYa_lQI&feature=youtu.be
I learned the Grab, pummel, pummel, jab to Side-B combo. 8D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DFcLNPCKCg
Don't dwell too much on it, though. It's outdated. Just to give you an idea that we aren't terribad.
On topic, I would like a critique on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76A9V...ature=youtu.be
Bowser vs. Peach
Limit critique'd it a bit, but I would like more detail, please.
This other one, if you want:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZZVoYa_lQI&feature=youtu.be
I learned the Grab, pummel, pummel, jab to Side-B combo. 8D
B!squick
Smash Master
Yeah, Bowser totally doesn't have that many laggy moves.
/sarcasm
All it takes is a quick spot dodge or roll from Ganon or even just a good read and you'll be eating SideB or DTilt > DAir or UAir or USmash or... Basically what I'm saying is that Ganon has a lot of options against Bowser. Options he doesn't have against other characters even. And if you get caught by SideB Ganon has several GUARANTEED follow ups.
When I played TP, matches would go from bad to worse so freakin' fast. >.<
A moot point when you consider Ganon's hurt box < Bowser's hurt box. It's ridiculous how easy it is for Ganon to grab you with his SideB.
You mean SH Klaw or just SH in general? I can't see how either would be more beneficial against Ganon than any other character and if it was just as simple as that Bowser wouldn't be a low tier character. And I'm pretty sure Ganon's Dash Attack isn't his longest range attack.
Firebreath = a guaranteed SideB from Ganon. This is very bad. Don't ever do this unless they're very terrible.
Ganon's DTilt says hi and ***** your face.
And Bowser's is stupidly laggy.
And the second hit of Bowser Bomb can air dodged. Guess what I've never ever seen happen in person or in a video? Might as well say you can spot dodge every attack Ganon has on reaction for what little it matters.
Lol, no.
His best moves against Bowser are just about all of them sans UTilt, though usual staples like SideB, DTilt and UAir are particularly amazing against Bowser.His best moves are uair, dash attack and pivot, and bowser can safely avoid/shut down all of those.
But this isn't the match up thread. If you wish to continue this discussion you're welcome to continue it there.
Unsound_Shinobi
Smash Apprentice
First Bowser Replay
Hey guys, sorry it's a Wi-Fi match, but she's really the only exceptional played I've played lately, so I figured it would be better for critique than one where I can just Klaw hop all day into fairs to win...
Suicide Slushie (Bowser) Vs Rin (Pit) Wi-Fi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5wa...DvjVQa1PpcFNyQ_r7exN_glarnljYof66Lnlxm0U-sAQ=
I'd really like general advice for improvement first, then the more specific stuff if possible, I know I'm not an exceptional Bowser, yet, but I would definitely like to get there within the next year or so.
Hey guys, sorry it's a Wi-Fi match, but she's really the only exceptional played I've played lately, so I figured it would be better for critique than one where I can just Klaw hop all day into fairs to win...
Suicide Slushie (Bowser) Vs Rin (Pit) Wi-Fi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5wa...DvjVQa1PpcFNyQ_r7exN_glarnljYof66Lnlxm0U-sAQ=
I'd really like general advice for improvement first, then the more specific stuff if possible, I know I'm not an exceptional Bowser, yet, but I would definitely like to get there within the next year or so.
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Deleted member 189823
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It seems that Youtube won't let me see the video. :/
Also, I miss Calm Animal's videos. ):
Also, I miss Calm Animal's videos. ):
Unsound_Shinobi
Smash Apprentice
I'm sorry, I found the same error in some of the videos I put in the Sonic thread, something weird is going on with my channel, I changed the link so it should work now, hopefully.
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Deleted member 189823
Guest
Good. (:
So I'm going to point out the main flaws that I think they should be corrected:
- You throw out the F-Smash when you shouldn't. I am not exaggerating when I say it's one of your most used moves there. It's completely punishable and don't expect to land it considering it's slow startup...especially not against someone with projectiles who can punish it very easily.
- You barely used the Klaw. This should be one of your main weapons in Bowser's arsenal. Learn to Short Hop Klaw consistently. It has great horizontal range, and even some range below Bowser in the air, making it his best approach. It also racks up tons of damage (15-18 per Klaw!).
- You should avoid rolling so much. Maybe your opponent may not be aware of it yet, but Bowser's roll is extremely punishable...much more if you roll back towards your opponent. Please avoid that. Replace it with the lesser of two evils, which will have to be a short hopped airdodge.
- Use the F-Tilt more. I've seen you throw out many jabs in the air. F-Tilt does slightly more damage than both jabs (11%) and has great range.
- When it comes to throws and racking up damage with them, you should go for the D-Throw. The Up-Throw has the least damage of the throws, and the /F/B-Throw is only decent for taking your opponent out of the platform.
- Practice Grab Release combos.
Here are some that will come really useful:
Grab, pummel, pummel, Jab, Jab - (14%)
Grab, pummel, pummel, Jab, F-Tilt - (20%)
Grab, pummel, pummel, Jab, D-Tilt - (23%) Good for setting up KO's
Grab, pummel, pummel, Jab, Side-B - (27%)
So I'm going to point out the main flaws that I think they should be corrected:
- You throw out the F-Smash when you shouldn't. I am not exaggerating when I say it's one of your most used moves there. It's completely punishable and don't expect to land it considering it's slow startup...especially not against someone with projectiles who can punish it very easily.
- You barely used the Klaw. This should be one of your main weapons in Bowser's arsenal. Learn to Short Hop Klaw consistently. It has great horizontal range, and even some range below Bowser in the air, making it his best approach. It also racks up tons of damage (15-18 per Klaw!).
- You should avoid rolling so much. Maybe your opponent may not be aware of it yet, but Bowser's roll is extremely punishable...much more if you roll back towards your opponent. Please avoid that. Replace it with the lesser of two evils, which will have to be a short hopped airdodge.
- Use the F-Tilt more. I've seen you throw out many jabs in the air. F-Tilt does slightly more damage than both jabs (11%) and has great range.
- When it comes to throws and racking up damage with them, you should go for the D-Throw. The Up-Throw has the least damage of the throws, and the /F/B-Throw is only decent for taking your opponent out of the platform.
- Practice Grab Release combos.
Here are some that will come really useful:
Grab, pummel, pummel, Jab, Jab - (14%)
Grab, pummel, pummel, Jab, F-Tilt - (20%)
Grab, pummel, pummel, Jab, D-Tilt - (23%) Good for setting up KO's
Grab, pummel, pummel, Jab, Side-B - (27%)
B!squick
Smash Master
First of all, I have to ask with this being lolFi and all, were you making mistakes because of input lag? And no, I'm not trying to provide an out because you played... well, about as good as I would have honestly. I really want to know if I'm critiquing your playing or your connection.